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Before the draft I posted that the Cards had the deepest roster in the NFL. They must have agreed. 2 of their first three picks were gambles. Was that a good decision?

Nkemdiche has left no doubt about his athletic prowess. I'm just concerned that he seldom displayed it at Ole Miss. I'm also worried about judgment and maturity. If he were the only impact player available at that point, I'd like the pick much better. I must admit Keim has put the Cards in position to gamble, so I guess he's earned the right. Still the Cards have a real chance at the Super Bowl and depth seems to always be critical to getting there. I'd just be more comfortable with a player who was more certain to make a continual contributution. Is Nkemdiche simply a free spirit, like Ricky Williams, or someone who just fantasizes a good game? I think we'll know sooner than later.

Third round pick Brandon Williams is another outstanding athlete who had an odd college career. He looked good as an RB at OKLA. He hurt his neck, got homesick and transferred to A&M. They felt his injury potential was too great to be an every down back so they switched him to CB. He played well considering his lack of experience. Things heated up when they started testing his measureables. He was faster and more agile than expected. Then team after team brought him in for a workout. Still no one took him until the end of round 3 despite a terribly shallow CB pool. Is he a gunner, maybe? Is he a press corner? That's not likely until he gets considerably more experience. Again he may help on special teams but CB is very thin on this roster. Harlan Miller another corner taken later and drafted safety Marqui Christian are both slower than top players. They can't all play special teams, can they? I don't see any of them helping on defense in the event of injury.

There is one pick I really like, Evan Boehm. He's a terrific center prospect. If Shipley falters or gets hurt, Boehm may Wally Pipp him and play for years.

Finally they took future practice squad member Cole Toner. He's obviously smart, but you can't just think your way into the NFL.

The Cards had a chance to shore up several thin positions on the roster. They fixed the center and maybe the D-line. I just wish they'd done more of that.
 

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Being that we had no glaring weakness on the roster, I had no idea what to expect. We grabbed major talent and or athletic ability.

-Nkemdiche is going to have to fight to get playing time...I think he has the right crew to push him.

-I have no idea about Williams but if he is that natural of an athlete we may see him in dime at some point. Bethel scares me...he will look solid or horrible and I don't want to see the horrible.

-The Boehm pick is perfect and an obvious Keim player

-All I can say about Toner is #79...I thought it was Sowell, Maybe he helps explain the gameplan and act as a players coach...may not make the team.

Christian and Miller...show us what you've got. It will be difficult for these guys to make the roster...especially if we bring Powers back.
 

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It's like you say we have a deep roster. Four rookies will stick and possibly a fifth (Toner). The rest are PS. Both Williams and Christian will be STers and groomed for playing time. Christian could see the field sooner.

The rest are all being groomed for rotational duty down the line.

You have to have the desire and some measurables. I can see where the scouts see the potential in these picks. Just not right now.

Not so with Nkemdiche, he will have immediate impact THIS YEAR. We should all be more than pleased between the difference in the overall pass rush this season from last. He'll have alot to do with it.
 

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If Peterson goes down... cornerback is far from peaches and cream lol

Granted.. But we don't have a starting point at ILB the level of Peterson or even close. Its Kevin Minter then ??????
 

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Disagree with this statement.. ILB is a HUGE weakness IMO

Still is. For the 4th year in a row they ignored this position. In fact, no LB of any sort. I wanted them to take Victor Ochi in the 6th but they didn't, he went undrafted, and ended up signing with Baltimore. I think this kid is going to be a surprise. But this staff is ignoring the LB position the way Whiz and company ignored the offensive line.
 

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Minter was not a liability as the season went on. I know everyone likes to bash him but he's not a problem. His problem is when they ask him to cover anybody but that's not what he is. As a run stuffer he was fine.

I have more concerns over Buccanon than Minter. I think teams are going to figure out how to handle these S/LB type players that seem to be becoming the fashion of late.

I agree the ILB could be upgraded but I also wouldn't consider it a weakness.
 

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Minter was not a liability as the season went on. I know everyone likes to bash him but he's not a problem. His problem is when they ask him to cover anybody but that's not what he is. As a run stuffer he was fine.

I have more concerns over Buccanon than Minter. I think teams are going to figure out how to handle these S/LB type players that seem to be becoming the fashion of late.

I agree the ILB could be upgraded but I also wouldn't consider it a weakness.

But you can't have him blitz on every passing down he's in, or we become too predictable, and you can't have him out for every pass play. Thus, he is a liability.
 

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Keep in mind:
1. We drafted at the end (close to the end) of the each round.
2. We only had six picks.
3. We came away with two guys who have a good shot at either starting or being part of the rotation.
4. Anything more is just gravy. But based on his background and waistline, SK must like gravy.
 

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I think Boehm will start Week 1 and Nkemdiche will play a significant role and likely start sooner rather than later. Other than that, the team really got little value out of their other picks.

Although, if Toner turns out to suck, I'm going to change his name to Ink Cartridge.
 

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But you can't have him blitz on every passing down he's in, or we become too predictable, and you can't have him out for every pass play. Thus, he is a liability.
It all depends of the team you're playing. Against NE, if Blount is in, Minter is in. They want to throw to Blount, let them. Same with Vikings and Peterson, SF with Hyde, etc.

Where he's going to hurt is against the likes of Jamaal Charles, Leveon Bell, and David Johnson. Of course, those guys are matchup nightmares for every team in the league.
 

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Still is. For the 4th year in a row they ignored this position. In fact, no LB of any sort. I wanted them to take Victor Ochi in the 6th but they didn't, he went undrafted, and ended up signing with Baltimore. I think this kid is going to be a surprise. But this staff is ignoring the LB position the way Whiz and company ignored the offensive line.
When someone like Kentell Brothers, who was first team All SEC, lasts until the 5th Rd. you know the D schemes are changing. Everyone is now copying the Cardinals model using a faster WILB like DB.

Big SILB's are now 1-2 down players and vets & UDFA's are pretty plentiful and hungry for work.
 

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Keep in mind:
1. We drafted at the end (close to the end) of the each round.
2. We only had six picks.
3. We came away with two guys who have a good shot at either starting or being part of the rotation.
4. Anything more is just gravy. But based on his background and waistline, SK must like gravy.

Agreed. When half of your draft is two late 5ths and a late 6th can't expect much more.
 

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I thought we should have taken ILB Kentrell Brothers when he was still there in the top of the 5th. Actually, I was thinking about him in the 4th. but like Boehm better. Trade our two fifths and moved up to get Brothers was what I would have liked to see....not that I mnow much at all about draft
prospects....
 

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it seems to me that Keim made one "safe" pick in this draft: Boehm.

The rest feel like boom/bust or big projections.

Nkemdiche -- boom or bust
Brandon Williams-- can he apply what looks like elite physical tools?
Christian, Toner, Miller -- each from a low level of competition
 

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Before the draft I posted that the Cards had the deepest roster in the NFL. They must have agreed. 2 of their first three picks were gambles. Was that a good decision?


Third round pick Brandon Williams is another outstanding athlete who had an odd college career. He looked good as an RB at OKLA. He hurt his neck, got homesick and transferred to A&M.

Quite surprised you missed the actual facts there Harry. He left OK and moved back to Texas to be closer to his daughter - NOT because he was "homesick". It was a very responsible and mature decision on his part. Consistent with who he is... His coaches and teammates lauded his leadership and maturity. He was a captain at A&M. He is in fact, the photo-typical Keim pick...
 

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When someone like Kentell Brothers, who was first team All SEC, lasts until the 5th Rd. you know the D schemes are changing. Everyone is now copying the Cardinals model using a faster WILB like DB.

Big SILB's are now 1-2 down players and vets & UDFA's are pretty plentiful and hungry for work.

Exactly defenses have had to change. You can't put LBs that run 4.7 plus and not expect them to be exposed.

I think what we saw in this draft from the Cardinals you can't have enough speed players to match what offenses are doing, how many defensive packages now require you to play 6 DBs so you better have the athletes or your screwed.
 

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My overall impressions:

Nkemdiche - Opinion changed after reading stories on how scouts take on his attitude may have been embellished a tad. He should be a disruptive force on the interior should he remain focused.

Williams - He is in the same boat as Bethel.....all the physical tools but years away from being ready to play CB in the NFL. Only one year playing position in college and admitted it was difficult and he still has a lot to learn which is admirable of him to know his shortcomings.

Boehm - I like his nasty demeanor, he is not some finesse C. He gets down and dirty in the trenches, is extremely durable with 52 college starts under his belt, is tough as nails with the strength to withstand bull rushes and has been well coached (his father being a coach). Not overly mobile but he gets the job done.

Christian - Not sure why we went with another S after re-signing Jefferson and bringing in Branch. Christian is a box S, we really could have used a ball hawking S like DeAndre Houston-Carson who was still available. I guess BASK like physical safeties that can play in the box and they are stock piling them.

Toner - I guess ARZ needed another OT for depth since it looks like they are done in FA. I would have preferred to take a chance on an ILB at this spot (Scooby Wright, Travis Feeney, Elandon Roberts) but BASK have a plan I guess.

Miller - Love this pick, absolute steal this late in the draft. Is more NFL ready now than Williams (doesn't necessarily mean he starts next year). Size, confidence and play making ability. Needs to put in a lot of work in the weight room but that's an easy fix.


ARZ added depth at CB but I feel they still need a starter opposite PP next year. They may move Mattieu over, but I think they aren't going to declare it publically. The reason is Matthieu is listed as a S and he is in a contract year so the numbers discussed could come into debate. Matthieu if moved over to CB would command more money that if he is kept at S. We've seen this with Jimmy Graham a couple of years ago.

Also, depth at ILB is lacking and Minter is a FA next year. Maybe ARZ targets an ILB early in next year's draft. Maybe SK is not interested in what is left in the FA CB market but veteran cuts could change his mind.
 
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Get unsurprised. I didn't feel I needed to give the whole story in a brief synopsis. I don't think of it as a negative word. It was actually Williams' word that he used to describe how he felt. Luckily I found a link that still covered this old announcement. Keep in mind the daughter factor existed when he chose OK.


http://www.aufamily.com/forums/topic/119964-brandon-williams
 

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Get unsurprised. I didn't feel I needed to give the whole story in a brief synopsis. I don't think of it as a negative word. It was actually Williams' word that he used to describe how he felt. Luckily I found a link that still covered this old announcement. Keep in mind the daughter factor existed when he chose OK.


http://www.aufamily.com/forums/topic/119964-brandon-williams

Sorry Harry... I'm not buying you here... You intentionally used the word "homesick" and in a way to belittle the pick. Judging from the balance of your posts on this board, if you knew the REAL story, you would most certainly have referenced the facts and not try to fit an angle into your own views...
This pick caught you by surprise... you don't agree with it... I get that. But, what is wrong is to try to detract from the player and the pick when all of the facts about Williams argue 180 degrees counter to your assumptions...
 

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Sorry Harry... I'm not buying you here... You intentionally used the word "homesick" and in a way to belittle the pick. Judging from the balance of your posts on this board, if you knew the REAL story, you would most certainly have referenced the facts and not try to fit an angle into your own views...
This pick caught you by surprise... you don't agree with it... I get that. But, what is wrong is to try to detract from the player and the pick when all of the facts about Williams argue 180 degrees counter to your assumptions...

Well I don't agree with you 82. Maybe he pulled a little k9 half fact thing but hardly with any kind of malice you seem to think. Your response seems more than a bit overboard.

Williams was homesick for his daughter, does that make it better for you.
 

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Well I don't agree with you 82. Maybe he pulled a little k9 half fact thing but hardly with any kind of malice you seem to think. Your response seems more than a bit overboard.

Williams was homesick for his daughter, does that make it better for you.

Yea.. Ok...
 

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Well I don't agree with you 82. Maybe he pulled a little k9 half fact thing but hardly with any kind of malice you seem to think. Your response seems more than a bit overboard.

Williams was homesick for his daughter, does that make it better for you.
Being homesick and simply wanting to be closer to your family are two different things. Being homesick means you are having a hard time functioning being away from home and there are no reports to suggest that this was the case for Williams.
 

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Minter was not a liability as the season went on. I know everyone likes to bash him but he's not a problem. His problem is when they ask him to cover anybody but that's not what he is. As a run stuffer he was fine.

I have more concerns over Buccanon than Minter. I think teams are going to figure out how to handle these S/LB type players that seem to be becoming the fashion of late.

I agree the ILB could be upgraded but I also wouldn't consider it a weakness.



the answer is pretty simple for the small hybrid lbers...put a body on them....any nfl guard will swallow up a guy like buc.... the trick is catching them to do it..... but a pulling guard will do the trick
 

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