Draft rankings

[AZfaninMN]

It’s actually not that I am very critical of what he did in college. I mean, for instance in the game versus Kansas, it was the Kansas team captain that was a huge douchebag and didn’t want to shake Mayfield’s hand at the coin toss, and that led to Mayfield doing obscene gestures later on. You just don’t do stuff like what the Kansas captain did. Another point I heard was that maybe most quarterbacks do sort of controversial things like Mayfield, but almost none of them are as exposed to media as Mayfield so we simply don’t know about it. He has to understand that, though.

My issue with his actions are more because he will obviously be a rookie. When Carson Palmer did his stuff in Seattle, he was already a veteran through many years and had the entire team firmly behind him. He had the seniority so to speak. Mayfield will have none of that when he comes in. Can you imagine if Mayfield does something like sprinting onto the field and plant a flag on midfield? Why would his teammates or his coaches respect him? Or if he does some gesture against a veteran? Everyone will laugh at him. I am not saying he will do any of those things, but I do think it needs to be completely erased from his personality, at least until he proves something in the NFL.

Understandable. I don’t remember seeing anything about mayfields character coming into question until this season. I’m not sure if it’s because they were in the spotlight more this season being a top 4 team or it’s something he started this season. If he’s always been like this, I would agree, it would cause some problems with the vets on the team. If not, maybe he, being the senior leader, exuded confidence in the form of arrogance. Teammates love it and opponents hate it.

 

[Chopper0080]

Of the group I think Jackson has the most upside. Love his athletic ability and he improved every year. He needs to learn a little, which he can do here.
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This is fundamentally incorrect. Josh Allen has the most upside. He has the best combination of size, arm strength, and athleticism. He just struggles to hit the broadside of a barn. If you can correct that, you have almost the perfect QB.

Lamar Jackson has a bunch of upside as well, but he does not have the size of Josh Allen which limits him.

I don't know which player's issues are easier to correct, but I would rather risk my job on Allen than Jackson just because I am more confident that Allen can hold up physically.

 

[BW52]

This is fundamentally incorrect. Josh Allen has the most upside. He has the best combination of size, arm strength, and athleticism. He just struggles to hit the broadside of a barn. If you can correct that, you have almost the perfect QB.

Lamar Jackson has a bunch of upside as well, but he does not have the size of Josh Allen which limits him.

I don't know which player's issues are easier to correct, but I would rather risk my job on Allen than Jackson just because I am more confident that Allen can hold up physically.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.Each one of the QBs in the draft has positives and negatives.The million dollar question is which GM/Coach/Team thinks their team can be the ones to bring out and maximaze the talent and at least try and correct the negatives.I see Josh Allen and John Skelton comes to mind.Not really a fair comparison but Allen is a big guy with a big arm.

 

[AZfaninMN]

This is fundamentally incorrect. Josh Allen has the most upside. He has the best combination of size, arm strength, and athleticism. He just struggles to hit the broadside of a barn. If you can correct that, you have almost the perfect QB.

Lamar Jackson has a bunch of upside as well, but he does not have the size of Josh Allen which limits him.

I don't know which player's issues are easier to correct, but I would rather risk my job on Allen than Jackson just because I am more confident that Allen can hold up physically.

That’s a fair point. I think Jackson has the most upside because he can hit his head on the goalpost on any given snap and could develop into a good passer within the pocket. These are just opinions, so I wouldn’t say I’m incorrect at the moment. I could be one day or I could be right. Hell we both can be right

 

[WisconsinCard]

This is fundamentally incorrect. Josh Allen has the most upside. He has the best combination of size, arm strength, and athleticism. He just struggles to hit the broadside of a barn. If you can correct that, you have almost the perfect QB.

Lamar Jackson has a bunch of upside as well, but he does not have the size of Josh Allen which limits him.

I don't know which player's issues are easier to correct, but I would rather risk my job on Allen than Jackson just because I am more confident that Allen can hold up physically.

Funny how you say someone's opinion is fundamentally incorrect. Then argue with yourself over it, and the state your opinion.

 

[cardncubfan]

Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are exceptions.Baker Mayfield is not going to be either one of those guys.
Personally i don`t see Josh Allen as top QB or safest pick.
Rosen is kind of a question mark IMHO.He has the talent but does he have the willingness and maturity to handle what it takes to be a good QB.
Simms comments on Darnold is making me go back and look at his video again and check hi m out again.Same with Rosen.We all have our own opinions on the QBs.I go by what i saw after watching Jackson for 3 years.I would have no problem drafting him #15.That said i don`t think Cards will take a QB #15.Cards need the #1 pick to come in and be a instant impact player.I think Cards will go either CB,DLine,WR or one of the top tackles(McGlinchey or Connor Williams)

Drew Brees was Drew Brees & Wilson is Wilson just like Mayfield will be Mayfield. Each one is different & have different qualities. The only thing common is height & that is the reason people are saying he can't do it. He doesn't need to be Wilson or Brees. He just needs to be Baker Mayfield & I believe he will succeed. He did in college throwing over OL's & I believe he will in the NFL as well.

 

[daves]

3.Baker Mayfield-biggest flaw-lack of size-how can you work the middle of the field when you are too short to see over your OLINE and DLINE?

Is this really an issue?

If i read this correctly, the heights of the Oklahoma starting O-line were (left to right) Brown 6'7" (measured 6'8" at the NFL Combine), Powers 6'4", Wren 6'1", Alvarez 6'3", and Orso-Bacchus 6'5". Average: 6'4".

The Cardinals' projected O-line heights are: Humphries 6'5", Iupati 6'5", Shipley 6'1", Pugh 6'5", and Smith 6'4". Average: 6'4".

If Mayfield managed to see over his O-line at Oklahoma, he shouldn't have any more trouble doing so if he's drafted by the Cardinals.

At 6'1", Mayfield is indeed 2-4 inches shorter than most successful NFL QBs, but he's 1-2" taller than Brees and Wilson.

...dbs

 

[WildBB]

Tremaine Edmunds is a top 10 pick
He was dominant at 19 years old, fast and big
So he is a 1A

Orlando Brown actually is a 2B being optimistic

Yeah, this.

 

[BW52]

Is this really an issue?

If i read this correctly, the heights of the Oklahoma starting O-line were (left to right) Brown 6'7" (measured 6'8" at the NFL Combine), Powers 6'4", Wren 6'1", Alvarez 6'3", and Orso-Bacchus 6'5". Average: 6'4".

The Cardinals' projected O-line heights are: Humphries 6'5", Iupati 6'5", Shipley 6'1", Pugh 6'5", and Smith 6'4". Average: 6'4".

If Mayfield managed to see over his O-line at Oklahoma, he shouldn't have any more trouble doing so if he's drafted by the Cardinals.

At 6'1", Mayfield is indeed 2-4 inches shorter than most successful NFL QBs, but he's 1-2" taller than Brees and Wilson.

Mayfield won't be throwing over the middle against crappy Big12defenses either.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I definitely agree that Simms would know a thing or two about quarterbacks. I don’t agree with him, though, but I can see why you and others would. By the way, I have heard another analyst say that he didn’t believe in Darnold either. I forgot who it was, but it was someone who should also know something about playing quarterback.

I disagree with Simms regarding Mayfield as both Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are just fine working the middle of the field, and they are shorter than Mayfield.

I disagree that Rosen isn’t athletic and can’t escape the pass rush.

I also somewhat disagree that Josh Allen is the safest pick though I really like him.

Also, you are obviously correct that all the quarterbacks need work before being ready. There has never been a draft prospect that was ready to step right from the green room to the NFL pitch. Not Andrew Luck, not Peyton Manning, not anyone at either the quarterback-position or any other position. My point was that I think Lamar Jackson needs a lot of work, and by that I mean several years of work. Even then I doubt that he will ever be good enough.

He was ready

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[Chopper0080]

Funny how you say someone's opinion is fundamentally incorrect. Then argue with yourself over it, and the state your opinion.

I stated I didn't know which player's issues are easier to correct. That doesn't change the fact that Josh Allen is bigger, has stronger arm, and has plus mobility which gives him a higher ceiling.

 

[Chopper0080]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.Each one of the QBs in the draft has positives and negatives.The million dollar question is which GM/Coach/Team thinks their team can be the ones to bring out and maximaze the talent and at least try and correct the negatives.I see Josh Allen and John Skelton comes to mind.Not really a fair comparison but Allen is a big guy with a big arm.

and Jackson could be RGIII and never stay healthy because of his frame and playing style. As you said, everyone has their opinions. Mine is that I think both of these players have issues that are very difficult to correct.

 

[Gandhi]

He was ready

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Marino did not start until week 6?

What I meant was that no one is ready before they have gone through an entire offseason program, gone through a training camp, been coached up and playing football for a living all the time. That can very well happen again this year like it has with lots of quarterbacks in recent years, but no matter how good we think these prospects are, none of them has any chance of starting in the NFL right now.

 

[WildBB]

I stated I didn't know which player's issues are easier to correct. That doesn't change the fact that Josh Allen is bigger, has stronger arm, and has plus mobility which gives him a higher ceiling.

Yeah and he's gonna cost someone a top 5 pick, mtl. If he falls out of there he's pretty much a bargain. The Cardinals would be foolish not to trade up if he lasts anywhere near the top 10. But you'll have Buffalo tying to trade up along with a half dozen other teams I'd imagine.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I stated I didn't know which player's issues are easier to correct. That doesn't change the fact that Josh Allen is bigger, has stronger arm, and has plus mobility which gives him a higher ceiling.

Just because you call it a fact does not make it a fact. There are other posters and even paid professionals that have stated what the OP did. It is really just our opinions and we won't have the "facts" until years down the road, if even then.

 

[Gandhi]

I see Josh Allen and John Skelton comes to mind.Not really a fair comparison but Allen is a big guy with a big arm.

I can understand why you would make that comparison, but Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford and Cam Newton fits that description as well. I think it’s a little bit unfair to judge them by their physical skills, just like I think it’s a bit unfair to compare Lamar Jackson to Robert Griffin or Russell Wilson. Well, if you use the historic facts about those types of quarterbacks I think it’s valid but not just because of their measurements.

 

[Garthshort]

ROTB has an article explaining the history of six QB's going in the first two rounds. It reenforced my opinion of not trading up, though I would trade down. If we have to live with a QB that doesn't make it, please don't make it worse, by costing addl picks.

 

[JeffGollin]

Wasn't Orlando Brown pretty much the worst OT at the combine?

He had lousy Combine agility and forty scores, but is still described as an elite pass blocker and road grader.

Tough decision - do you ignore the #'s and go by what you see on tape? Or do you feel he's too unathletic to risk a #1 or second round pick on?

 

[CardsFan88]

He had lousy Combine agility and forty scores, but is still described as an elite pass blocker and road grader.

Tough decision - do you ignore the #'s and go by what you see on tape? Or do you feel he's too unathletic to risk a #1 or second round pick on?

He also only had 14 bench presses. It's unfathomable a projected top end Ol'men did that when there were quite a few wr's and rb's in the 20-30 range.

Maybe he was sick or hungover or something. Unless gm's think it turned out to be a bad day for a reason they know, I think the guy is going to fall pretty far. Pundits have been saying those numbers are like UDFA. I don't think he'll fall that far, but he may turn out to be a deep into day 3 pick, like a 5th or 6th rounder.

 

[WildBB]

He also only had 14 bench presses. It's unfathomable a projected top end Ol'men did that when there were quite a few wr's and rb's in the 20-30 range.

Maybe he was sick or hungover or something. Unless gm's think it turned out to be a bad day for a reason they know, I think the guy is going to fall pretty far. Pundits have been saying those numbers are like UDFA. I don't think he'll fall that far, but he may turn out to be a deep into day 3 pick, like a 5th or 6th rounder.

Don't think so. He's got some pedigree. If he doesn't go 1st round He should at least go top 40. Someone would have to displace his cieling to push him out.

 

[Chopper0080]

Just because you call it a fact does not make it a fact. There are other posters and even paid professionals that have stated what the OP did. It is really just our opinions and we won't have the "facts" until years down the road, if even then.

Are you stating that it is not a fact that Josh Allen is bigger? Or that "paid experts" determine that he has the strongest arm? Or that he ran the 4th fastest 40 at the combine weighing 10-20+ lbs more than the other three QBs that ran faster?

I am pretty sure that these are facts. Just like I am pretty sure that if a player is one of the tallest players, is one of the heavier players, has one of the strongest arms, and is one of the fastest that he qualifies himself as one of the most athletic. So, if a player has higher limits to his potential, it would seem a factual statement that he would have the most potential.

 

[Gandhi]

Or that "paid experts" determine that he has the strongest arm?

That’s not anyone’s opinion or something anyone has to determine. That’s a fact. At the Combine Josh Allen threw the ball with a velocity of 62 mph which was the fastest of all the quarterbacks. The record is 60 mph.

Allen threw the ball with a velocity of 66 mph at the Senior Bowl which is also the fastest ever recorded on that stage, by the way.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Are you stating that it is not a fact that Josh Allen is bigger? Or that "paid experts" determine that he has the strongest arm? Or that he ran the 4th fastest 40 at the combine weighing 10-20+ lbs more than the other three QBs that ran faster?

These are facts, but that is not what you said.

 

[WisconsinCard]

So, if a player has higher limits to his potential, it would seem a factual statement that he would have the most potential.

This is not what you said, now it's potential??? You said he has the most upside, and I say that is not a fact.

 

[Gandhi]

This is not what you said, now it's potential??? You said he has the most upside, and I say that is not a fact.

Isn’t upside and potential the same thing?