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[Chopper0080]

Isn’t upside and potential the same thing?

That is what I thought...

 

[Chopper0080]

This is not what you said, now it's potential??? You said he has the most upside, and I say that is not a fact.

Is this better? I have changed the word "potential" with the word "upside" even though I believe they are fairly interchangeable.

So, if a player has higher limits to his UPSIDE, it would seem a factual statement that he would have the most UPSIDE.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Is this better? I have changed the word "potential" with the word "upside" even though I believe they are fairly interchangeable.

So, if a player has higher limits to his UPSIDE, it would seem a factual statement that he would have the most UPSIDE.

I don't agree that the bolded statement is a fact though. How do you measure upside? I would agree that JA has the greatest potential, but I would not agree that he has the most upside. Maybe it's just semantics, but IMO LJ has the most upside, I think he has the talent to be as good as Mike Vick, and his floor is Mariota/Winston. I think JA has the ceiling of Ben Roethlisberger but the floor of Derek Anderson. Again these are all just my opinion. I personally think that JA is fools gold, he looks like Tarzan, but will end up playing like Jane.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't agree that the bolded statement is a fact though. How do you measure upside? I would agree that JA has the greatest potential, but I would not agree that he has the most upside. Maybe it's just semantics, but IMO LJ has the most upside, I think he has the talent to be as good as Mike Vick, and his floor is Mariota/Winston. I think JA has the ceiling of Ben Roethlisberger but the floor of Derek Anderson. Again these are all just my opinion. I personally think that JA is fools gold, he looks like Tarzan, but will end up playing like Jane.

If you differentiate upside and potential and ceiling that is for you to do. In whatever framework I put it in, I believe that because Allen is bigger, has a stronger arm, and has plus speed for his size, he has the highest potential, ceiling, and/or upside in this class. The levels he can reach are higher than anyone else in the class if he is able to maximize all of that talent.

Where I give him an edge over Jackson is that Jackson will never be 247 lbs. It isn't in his DNA. That extra mass will serve Allen better when coupled with 4.7 speed than Jackson with 4.4 speed and 220 lbs as a QB.

 

[cardpa]

Did some research and the average NFL lineman is 6'-5" tall, this stat was from 2015 and included both offensive and defensive linemen. I then looked for the shortest QBs in the NFL and found:

1. Russell Wilson – Seattle Seahawks – 5'11"
2. Drew Brees – New Orleans Saints – 6'
3. Johnny Manziel – Cleveland Browns – 6'
4. Tyrod Taylor – Buffalo Bills – 6'1"
5. Aaron Rodgers – Green Bay Packers – 6'2"
6. Brian Hoyer – Houston Texans – 6'2"
7. Andy Dalton – Cincinnati Bengals – 6'2"
8. Ryan Fitzpatrick – New York Jets – 6'2"
9. Teddy Bridgewater – Minnesota Vikings – 6'2"

The tallest are

1. Brock Osweiler – Denver Broncos – 6'8"
2. Joe Flacco – Baltimore Ravens – 6'6"
3. Nick Foles – St. Louis Rams – 6'6"
4. Cam Newton – Carolina Panthers – 6'5"
5. Blake Bortles – Jacksonville Jaguars – 6'5"
6. Philip Rivers – San Diego Chargers – 6'5"
7. Zach Mettenberger – Tennessee Titans – 6'5"
8. Carson Palmer – Arizona Cardinals – 6'5"
9. Ben Roethlisberger – Pittsburgh Steelers – 6'5"

A couple other comparisons

1. Tom Brady – New England Patriots – 6'4"
2. Eli Manning – New York Giants – 6'4"
3. Jay Cutler – Chicago Bears – 6'3"

To me it appears that size is somewhat not a relatively big factor to success. You see some very successful QBs on the short side and some duds on the tall side. I consider Wilson, Brees, and Rodgers to be top notch QBs while I don't consider Osweiler, Flacco, Bortles, or Foles to be in the same company as the short guys aforementioned QBs. The bottom line is Mayfield's height could be a factor but it probably not a pass/fail factor if any team is looking at him as a QBOTF.

 

[WisconsinCard]

If you differentiate upside and potential and ceiling that is for you to do. In whatever framework I put it in, I believe that because Allen is bigger, has a stronger arm, and has plus speed for his size, he has the highest potential, ceiling, and/or upside in this class. The levels he can reach are higher than anyone else in the class if he is able to maximize all of that talent.

Where I give him an edge over Jackson is that Jackson will never be 247 lbs. It isn't in his DNA. That extra mass will serve Allen better when coupled with 4.7 speed than Jackson with 4.4 speed and 220 lbs as a QB.

This was my whole point, and if you would have stated it like that to the OP I would fully understand. It is your belief that he has the highest...Whatever. But you called out another poster fundamentally incorrect for stating their belief, and that is what I did not understand.