Draft related question....

[PhxGametime]

Does anyone have any college games taped of David West of Xavier, Chris Kaman of Central Michigan, or Mario Austin of Mississippi State? Decided last few years to record college games of NBA prospects behind Suns games (being that there is not enough room to fit 4 Suns games on 1 tape and have enough room to tape 3/4th of a college game) and don't have these 3 prospects. Just let me know, thanks. Sorry for starting new thread hehe.....Anyone have any favorites leading to draft?

 

[hcsilla]

Mario Austin stated that he won't declare this year.


I still like almost every PG prospect of this year's draft.
Ridnour, Hinrich, Thomas and Gordon are all lottery materials but if all will declare then maybe one of them could sleep to our pick.

Darius Rice and Josh Childress are interesting prospects if Suns want to draft a backup SF.

If Suns could somehow clear their logjam at PF/C then also Nick Collison could be a very servicable benchplayer.

 

[PhxGametime]

Wade could be a good prospect at PG too. Penny and JJ both have point position ability, so Wade could be scorer/slasher off bench at 1 position. Better athlete, rebounder and defender - although I'm impressed with Ridnour, Thomas and Hinrich. (Haven't watched Gordon or Felton yet, so no comment) I doubt Wade would drop that low, but tweener label could hurt.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by BbaLL_31
Wade could be a good prospect at PG too. Penny and JJ both have point position ability, so Wade could be scorer/slasher off bench at 1 position. Better athlete, rebounder and defender

Yes, he is but right now he is a SG and PHO already has 3 natural SG's.

I wouldn't exclude that he could make the transition to PG (because he is a very good ball-handler and he has a good court-vision) but it's always difficult.
Wade could become a Bobby Jackson-type of backup * although he doesn't have Jackson's 3P-range.

 

[SirStefan32]

I like the Kansas duo, I'd love to see either one of those guys in the Suns uniform next year. However, I think the Suns should draft one of the European 7 footers who can shoot the ball well.

 

[outcent]

Is Bo Outlaw a freeagent after this year? If so I think Voskuhl could fill his roll and we should draft a center to push Big Jake for a starting job. A backup PG in the second would be good to replace Brown.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by outcent
Is Bo Outlaw a freeagent after this year?

No, he isn't, his contract will expire in 2005.

 

[Joe Mama]

The Suns could probably use some youth and depth at about every position. If they could get their hands on a center with a decent mid-range shot it would be hard to turn him down.

They are also in need of a backup for Shawn Marion, although Joe Johnson really could fill that role. Small forward is probably the easiest position to cover with scraps.

Does anyone else here wonder if Jason Gardiner could play a Boykins like role here in Phoenix? I would love to see him on the Suns summer league team. It's likely they would be able to pick him up as a summer league player.

Joe Mama

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
The Suns could probably use some youth and depth at about every position. If they could get their hands on a center with a decent mid-range shot it would be hard to turn him down.

Joe Mama

Yes, but who would be this C?

The highschoolers and David Hamilton aren't mid-range shooters and Kaman probably won't be available at our pick.

 

[slinslin]

Sure, right now we could use everything. We don't really need a SG but we could use a young center, backup PF, SF and PG.

I'd think that we could easily add a SF with a small part of our midlevel exemption. Someone like Demarr Johnson, is he FA?
Or a trade.

Too bad we don't have 2 first rounders right now because we could finally get a decent PG prospect in this draft even later in the first round.

Right now I like James Lang, a lot of people said that he looked like the 2nd best prospect in the highschool games and has an nba body. I'd take the chance.
Especially because I think that we can't resign Voshkul to a good contract. There are always teams that will overpay for a center.

I would also pick up Jason Gardner, he will probably go undrafted , his senior season wasn't all that good, but playing for UofA I'd bet that he wouldn't turn down the chance to sign with Phoenix if they show interrest and we should have the inside scoop on him anyway. Luke Walton might not even get picked.

The offseason could certainly be interessting and I would bet that the Colangelo's will make at least minor roster changes.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by slinslin
Someone like Demarr Johnson, is he FA?

Ye, he will be a FA because ATL didn't excersize their 4th-year option on Johnson's contract.

Right now I like James Lang, a lot of people said that he looked like the 2nd best prospect in the highschool games and has an nba body.

And some people said that he is the next Tractor Traylor.

 

[sunsfn]

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Someone like Demarr Johnson, is he FA?
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I am not sure we want someone that had 4 cracked vertabrae in his neck, do we?

We need a backup point guard and probably a backup center.
I am absolutely sure the suns will resign little Jake, but will be surprised if Scott Williams comes back. I have always thought you need 3 centers on a team.


0 Randy Brown PG 6-2 190 May 22, 1968 New Mexico State
((gone))

4 Alton Ford PF 6-9 280 May 29, 1981 Houston
((gone))

24 Tom Gugliotta PF 6-10 250 Dec. 19, 1969 N.C. State
((here))

1 Anfernee Hardaway SG 6-7 215 Jul. 18, 1971 Memphis
((here))
Unless we get the first pick and trade him along with
Lebron James to someone................

23 Casey Jacobsen GF 6-6 215 Mar. 19, 1981 Stanford
((here))

2 Joe Johnson GF 6-7 235 Jun. 29, 1981 Arkansas
((here))

14 Dan Langhi SF 6-11 220 Nov. 28, 1977 Vanderbilt
((????)) a chance he is here because he is a back up small
forward that can shoot and is cheap. depends on the draft.

3 Stephon Marbury PG 6-2 205 Feb. 20, 1977 Georgia Tech
((here))

31 Shawn Marion SF 6-7 215 May 7, 1978 UNLV
((here))

45 Bo Outlaw FC 6-8 220 Apr. 13, 1971 Houston
((here)) I thought earlier he would be gone, but not now.
Possible trade with Orlando?

32 Amare Stoudemire PF 6-10 245 Nov. 16, 1982
((here!!! ))

25 Jake Tsakalidis C 7-2 290 Jun. 10, 1979
((here)) just not playing...............

43 Jake Voskuhl C 6-11 245 Nov. 1, 1977 Connecticut
((here))

47 Scott Williams C 6-10 260 Mar. 21, 1968 North Carolina
((gone))


3 gone,
10 here
1 ????

Leaves 10 man roster plus draft pick, and free agent pickups/undrafted players.
The free agent pickups will probably be cheap backups this year to stay within a certain amount of salaries.

 

[slinslin]

I am sure the suns want to resign Jake, but the question is if they can and if he is worth the money other teams would be willing to offer him.

I think that Jake is not very good but solid. His teammates make him look good sometimes because they draw the attention but that's why another team would probably overpay him and the Suns might be better off signing or drafting a cheaper center.

So if another team offers Jake a contract starting at 2M$ or so, I think that the Suns would be better off signing a couple of cheaper players that could help like DeMarr Johnson.

The Suns don't have money to throw away anyway.

http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/sports/hawks/0403/05dermarr.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/dermarr_johnson/index.html?nav=page

 

[Joe Mama]

I don't think the Colangelos would touch James Lang after the multiple failures with Oliver Miller and his eating problems. He might have been the second-best player at the McDonald's All-American game (I'm not saying he was), but that's not saying much. Nobody was very impressive except of course L. James.

I think the Suns need a proven veteran at backup small forward who can come off the bench and score some points. Not every player on the team can be young and full of potential.

Joe Mama

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
I think the Suns need a proven veteran at backup small forward who can come off the bench and score some points. Not every player on the team can be young and full of potential.

Joe Mama

Yes, this is another possibility.

How about Jim Jackson, Walt Williams,Walter McCarty or Lee Nailon?

 

[elindholm]

How about Jim Jackson, Walt Williams,Walter McCarty or Lee Nailon?

I think Jackson has rehabilitated his reputation and should command a better contract next season. Sacramento seems likely to resign him.

I thought Williams played no defense -- am I wrong?

I expect the Celtics to keep McCarty. They love him.

It seems that Nailon has a variety of attitude problems. The Suns don't need that.

 

[SirStefan32]

I would love to see Jackson in the Suns uniform next year. I don't think the Kings will resign him. They have to find PT for Gerald Wallace.

I don't think Williams or Neilon would help the Suns a whole lot.

People in Boston love Walter. There is no way the C's are letting him go. Fans love him!

Shammond Williams could be an interesting addition assuming Kiki doesn't sign him.

Stefan

 

[PhxGametime]

How about Jumaine Jones?

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by elindholm


I thought Williams played no defense -- am I wrong?

No,you aren't but does Langhi play D?

I expect the Celtics to keep McCarty. They love him.

They hesitated a lot with re-signing of him last summer.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by SirStefan32


I don't think Williams or Neilon would help the Suns a whole lot.

I think that Williams or Nailon would help the Suns more than Langhi does.

Shammond Williams could be an interesting addition assuming Kiki doesn't sign him.

Yes,he could.

I would love to have Kevin Ollie or Erick Strickland on Suns' roster if Suns would add a backup PG via free agency.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by BbaLL_31
How about Jumaine Jones?

He would be even better but CLE will probably re-sign him furthermore they can match with the offer sheet what Jones could get.

If CLE anyway would Jones let to go he would get at least 2 mil.

 

[PhxGametime]

How about dropping pick they owe us(the 1 we'll never see) and trade for him, if they pick-up option? Don't know if this could happen?

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by BbaLL_31
How about dropping pick they owe us(the 1 we'll never see)

Then why would they trade for it?

As I said Jones will become more expensive and if CLE don't want to re-sign him then why would they take salaries instead of him especially that Suns can't offer anything (except maybe this year's 1st) for him?

 

[PhxGametime]

I meant trade them 1st round pick they owe us? Hehe my bad, just drop what I said.

 

[elindholm]

Hcsilla, I was not asking whether any of those players would be an improvement over Langhi. Of course I feel anyone would be an improvement over Langhi, including Lisa Leslie. The point is whether the players mentioned would be affordable (or available) to the Suns, and my opinion is that they would not be.