Draft Wednesday: Cardinals' Thoughts

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1. Either a trade for Boldin involving a first round draft pick happens in the next two days or it most likely won't happen. Reason? Any team that makes a deal for Boldin would have to give him a physical first in order to allay any concerns about his hip, etc. And the team would have to initiate talks with Drew Rosenhaus about the perameters of a new deal and how feasible it would be to get him signed asap.

The fact that there have been no offers yet, just inquiries, further casts a doubt as to whther any draft day deal will be made for Boldin.

The wheels of a trade should already be in motion by now for the same reasons mentioned above. This is why it looks like no trade is going to happen.

2. Rumor has it that the NY Jets are prepared to give up their 1st, 3rd and 4th round picks to move up to draft QB Mark Sanchez..and that the Redskins might offer something similar.

Funny that Sanchez in just 16 starts and no National Championships at USC is garnering this kind of interest when Matt Leinart slid down the draft boards three years ago and no team this off-season, especially teams like the Jets who have serious QB problems, has expressed an interest in Leinart. This is how far Leinart has fallen in the eyes of NFL scouts...or at least off their radars.

Brady Quinn is mentioned as a QB some teams might be interested in...but no Leinart. I would take Leinart over Quinn any day, wouldn't you?

Some posters praise Leinart for accepting his current role as backup and his avowal to keep "competing"...but really, one has to wonder how badly he wants to get his career started when the QB market is as high as it is right now and the draft is so thin on QB talent. Leinart is heading into his 4th year...one would think he would jump at any chance to play sooner rather than later.

I was thinking the other day that if Detroit were to offer their third round pick (#65) for Leinart, it would take the entire pressure off them in this draft. They wouldn't have to feel the pressure to draft Matthew Stafford at #1, and they could us the #1, #20, and #33 picks to draft the likes of LB Aaron Curry, T Michael Oher and WR Darrius Heywood-Bey...all three of whom would start immediately.

The #65 pick, BTW, is a plum pick because it's the first pick Sunday morning and the team that has it can spend the night deciding on the BPA.

3. This draft is going to feature a flurry of trades. It will be interesting to see for example what the Patriots do, seeing as they have the #23, #34, #47 and #58 picks on the first day. I think they will use two of the second rounders to move up to the tail end of the first round if a player they like is stil on the board. It's even posible that the Cardinals might swing such a deal with them, if the Patriots want to move in front of the Steelers.

Philadelphia gave up a couple picks, a first and a fourth, already to acquite T Jason Peters, but they still have the #21, #53 and #85 picks to go along with 4 5th rounders...which gives them plenty of maneuverability on draft say, which they thrive on. Sal Pal (ESPN) was saying that the Eagles are willing to package an array of picks to move up to draft RB Knowshon Moreno.

The hot spot in the draft is #8 where Jacksonville picks...they want to move out of that pick and will likely get several offers to do so, especially if one of the two QB is still on the board.

That QB won't be Mark Sanchez...expect him to be a Ram or Seahawk on Saturday, unless a team moves up to #1 or #3 (in the event the Rams take a tackle as most expect they will).

Both the Rams and the Seahawks want to draft a tackle...but because this draft is quite deep in tackles, both of them will be tempted to take Sanchez...and it wouldn't shock me entirely either if Sanchez is taken by the Rams that the Seahawks turn around and draft Matthew Stafford.

Every NFL West team is envious of what the Cardinals have in Kurt Warner...and how a top-flight passing attack can skyrocket a team into the Super Bowl. Thus, it wouldn't suprise me at all to see the top two QBs in this draft both in the NFC West next year prepping to get their chance when Marc Bulger and Matt Hasselbeck fade.

4. The BPA factor...this is what is going to make the Cardinals' draft so interesting...because there will be some top names on the board when they pick in the first three rounds.

I can't help thinking that because the Cardinals were all over the USC Pro Day that the #31 pick will be one of the USC LBers if one of them slides. The odds of Rey Maualuga sliding to #31 are slim to none...that would mean Brian Cushing or Clay Matthews.

Can't help it but I have such doubts about both Cushing and Matthews...I think they are way over-rated, and I don't see either one of them as a good fit for our defense. Dave Pasch loves Cushing and thinks he would "up the tempo" of the defense. Maybe he's right. But, is he the pass rusher that Larry English is? Is it even close?

For some reason, I think the Patriots are going to move up ahead of the Cardinals to get English. He's their type of OLB34. And I am sure they are not going to gamble that English will be available at #34...although I would be curious to know what their thoughts are of OLB Paul Kruger, who is, IMO, a Mike Vrabel all over again, only with better feet.
 
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Mayock described Matthews as the best "3rd down" Lb in the draft -- better than average pass rusher but really shines in pass coverage.
 
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Mayock described Matthews as the best "3rd down" Lb in the draft -- better than average pass rusher but really shines in pass coverage.

I have a feeling he will be taken by the Falcons at #24 if he makes it past the patriots at #23.

What's curious about Matthews is only 94 tackles (40 of them assists) and 5 sacks for his career at USC. 26 tackles, 28 assists and 4 sacks last year...and many of his tackles were on STs.
 

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My guess is that there will be a lot of rumor-mongering and wheel-spinning between now and Draft Day and that - to preserve our own sanity - we not spend a lot of time chewing up a lot of Maalox until the Jets are on the clock at #17.

Unless Jacksonville at #8 (despite signing Tory Holt) still wants a WR and would rather pass on Maclin or Crabtree in order to trade for Boldin, the only other interested team with a draft pick high enough to assure us we'd get either Wells or Moreno (or if the Cards throw us a huge curveball and were really angling for Maualuga all along) are the Jets.
 

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Why does the trade speculation mean how far Leinart has fallen? Cleveland's FO has considered Quinn tradeable for quite a while and Sanchez in my eyes carries a similar draft grade to Stafford. Last time we checked, the Cardinals have made no notifications that Leinart was on the block or indicated they were willing to trade him.

And instead of basically calling Matt a coward for not wanting to be traded as you did oh so subtly, maybe it's because he's been in the offensive system for a couple years now, Kurt will be out in a year or two (or earlier) and even with a trade of Q will not find a quality offensive set up that can lead for success when he does take the reigns anywhere else in the league.
 
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Why does the trade speculation mean how far Leinart has fallen? Cleveland's FO has considered Quinn tradeable for quite a while and Sanchez in my eyes carries a similar draft grade to Stafford. Last time we checked, the Cardinals have made no notifications that Leinart was on the block or indicated they were willing to trade him.

And instead of basically calling Matt a coward for not wanting to be traded as you did oh so subtly, maybe it's because he's been in the offensive system for a couple years now, Kurt will be out in a year or two (or earlier) and even with a trade of Q will not find a quality offensive set up that can lead for success when he does take the reigns anywhere else in the league.

Your constant ripping is so one-sided...but at least have the class not to put words in my mouth. I did not say nor did I imply that Leinart is a coward. I even stated that to me he is way better than Quinn. What I was questioning was his desire to be a starter in what is now his 4th year in the NFL. That still mind-boggles me, espcially after he spent an entire season on the sidelines, which is excruciating to do...one would think it would make him want to jump at any opportunity to play.
 

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Your constant ripping is so one-sided...but at least have the class not to put words in my mouth. I did not say nor did I imply that Leinart is a coward. I even stated that to me he is way better than Quinn. What I was questioning was his desire to be a starter in what is now his 4th year in the NFL. That still mind-boggles me, espcially after he spent an entire season on the sidelines, which is excruciating to do...one would think it would make him want to jump at any opportunity to play.
The bolded is where I consider you calling him a coward.

Maybe Leinart just wants to play here in Arizona?

Why do think that I rip you?
 

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What I was questioning was his desire to be a starter in what is now his 4th year in the NFL. That still mind-boggles me, espcially after he spent an entire season on the sidelines, which is excruciating to do...one would think it would make him want to jump at any opportunity to play.
What bugs the crap out of me is that, for the Cards to keep moving forward, Matt Leinart needed to be a good teammate and accept his role. Learn from the veteran. Get ready for when we need him. Not be a baby. He's doing those things and you find fault in it.
 
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What bugs the crap out of me is that, for the Cards to keep moving forward, Matt Leinart needed to be a good teammate and accept his role. Learn from the veteran. Get ready for when we need him. Not be a baby. He's doing those things and you find fault in it.
This 100%. That's my beef with it.
 
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What bugs the crap out of me is that, for the Cards to keep moving forward, Matt Leinart needed to be a good teammate and accept his role. Learn from the veteran. Get ready for when we need him. Not be a baby. He's doing those things and you find fault in it.

It's not being a baby to want to start in the NFL, especially when you have won an NCAA Champioship and a Heisman Trophy and were the #10 pick in the draft, is it?

I find this curious, don't you? Really?
 

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It's not being a baby to want to start in the NFL, especially when you have won an NCAA Champioship and a Heisman Trophy and were the #10 pick in the draft, is it?

I find this curious, don't you? Really?

Show me one quote you have ever seen that Matt specifically stated "I dont want to start"

Please find that for me Mitch and then I'll agree with you.
 

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Show me one quote you have ever seen that Matt specifically stated "I dont want to start"

Please find that for me Mitch and then I'll agree with you.

I think Mitch is working from the "actions speak louder than words" point of view...

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It's not being a baby to want to start in the NFL, especially when you have won an NCAA Champioship and a Heisman Trophy and were the #10 pick in the draft, is it?

I find this curious, don't you? Really?

I don't know Mitch. Maybe he's actually smarter than you give him credit for. Seems to me that he will be ready to play after learning on the bench like QBs used to when they got developed. His money making potential is increased because his playing years are increased by not getting a lot of wear on his tires. He knows that Warner will be here two more years max and the Cards will need him to step in. That's if Warner doesn't get hurt in the meantime. Leinart will get another contract along the way.

Nah, can't be that. He doesn't have the desire to be a starter.
 

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I think Mitch is working from the "actions speak louder than words" point of view...

;)

Like earthsci stated there's nothing wrong with the way matt is handling this situation. He lost the job fair and square and he has to accept that.
 

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Show me one quote you have ever seen that Matt specifically stated "I dont want to start"

Please find that for me Mitch and then I'll agree with you.

Give it up Shane. Leinart can't win for losing. Apparently he needed to start complaining, demand a trade and create a PR nightmare for the Cardinals for him to not get any grief.
 
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Show me one quote you have ever seen that Matt specifically stated "I dont want to start"

Please find that for me Mitch and then I'll agree with you.

Shall I create the syllogism?

#2 QBs behind Pro Bowl QBs are not going to start.

Matt Leinart is a #2 QB behind a Pro Bowl QB.

Matt Leinart is not going to start.

Let me recap:

1. There is a high market right now for starting QBs.

2. Warner is the starting QB in Arizona...it's no longer a competition heading into camp.

3. Leinart could be---if he was dealt for---the starting QB for the Lions, the Jets, the Redskins and possibly even for the Bucs.

4. The QB pool in this year's draft is weak.

For a QB like Matt Leinart all these things would favor his interests to start if he expressed a desire to ask for a trade.
 

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Shall I create the syllogism?

#2 QBs behind Pro Bowl QBs are not going to start.

Matt Leinart is a #2 QB (and has no chance to be #1).

Matt Leinart is not going to start.

Let me recap:

1. There is a high market right now for starting QBs.

2. Warner is the staring QB in Arizona.

3. Leinart could be---if he was dealt for---the starting QB for the Lions, the Jets, the Redskins and possibly even for the Bucs.

4. The QB pool in this year's draft is weak.

For a QB like Matt Leinart all these things would favor his interests to start if he expressed a desire to ask for a trade.

There is essentially nothing that Matt Leinart could have done this off-season that would have made you happy.
 

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For a QB like Matt Leinart all these things would favor his interests to start if he expressed a desire to ask for a trade.

Thats how "monsters" are created.:p
 

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#2 QBs behind "38 year old just coming off of hip surgery with odds of staying healthy for another 20 games straight being highly unlikely" Pro Bowl QBs just might get a shot as starting.

I had to fix your statement.
 
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I don't know Mitch. Maybe he's actually smarter than you give him credit for. Seems to me that he will be ready to play after learning on the bench like QBs used to when they got developed. His money making potential is increased because his playing years are increased by not getting a lot of wear on his tires. He knows that Warner will be here two more years max and the Cards will need him to step in. That's if Warner doesn't get hurt in the meantime. Leinart will get another contract along the way.

Nah, can't be that. He doesn't have the desire to be a starter.

You're missing my point, earthsci. You are taking my curiosity as to why Leinart hasn't asked for a trade as sharp criticism of him...I didn't mean it as that. I meant it as I said it: it's curious as to why he hasn't.
 

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Your constant ripping is so one-sided...but at least have the class not to put words in my mouth. I did not say nor did I imply that Leinart is a coward. I even stated that to me he is way better than Quinn. What I was questioning was his desire to be a starter in what is now his 4th year in the NFL. That still mind-boggles me, espcially after he spent an entire season on the sidelines, which is excruciating to do...one would think it would make him want to jump at any opportunity to play.

Mitch - Don't take this as an attack but I want to clarify I think you are a original poster and though I don't always agree I like to read your musings. However I must address this post as well as your response to Shogun:

Leinart could say absolutely anything and you and others would point to it as a "concern" or issue of some sort depending on which position would make him look unfavorable. I guess there are two ways to look at everything. I look at it like this.

Matt has been in this system for 2 years. He has the best WR in the game at his disposal. He has a HOF QB to mentor him. And that same QB has shown a propensity to be up and down and/or prone to injury. Hes also close to home and destined (in terms of worst case scenario) to get a shot in the next two years no matter what here. Also maybe the coaches are telling him HOW MUCH THEY LIKE HIM AND BELIEVE IN HIM. If not it would be pretty stupid for him to just sit quietly and I don't think the guy is stupid.

Maybe he sees the lay of the land and thinks "If I demand a trade maybe the grass ISN'T greener on the other side" What was your take on the Cutler situation? Is he a class pro IYO? Why would it be different the OTHER WAY in Matt then?

You think Shogun is putting words in your mouth but your bias is so apparent that of course he is going to call you out. As he should. As will I.

Its okay to not think he is the long term answer or that the coaching staff likes BSP better. I think your wrong but thats opinion. But finding every which way to criticize his actions is laughable. He has been exemplary the past 12 months.

I think you are a great poster but this is one thing you shouldn't come down on Shogun about. Your perspective on Leinart is warped to think everything he say/does is a "concern"...

And too address the OP Leinart has more value to the Cards then he does around the league in a trade. So with him and the team not forcing the issue it hasn't even come up.
 

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I meant it as I said it: it's curious as to why he hasn't.
Then, of course, you only throw out negative reasons as to why. You don't bring any positive reasons. Couple that with your threads discussing trading Leinart for a years subscription to Readers Digest and a bowl of cream cheese, and you have the appearance of discounting Matt Leinart. Again. What does it say about about Brian St. Pierre that he only wanted assurances that he could compete for the #2 QB and not the starter?
 

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Huh?? Chill dude... you're getting pretty worked up over Matty...
No. I'm pretty worked up with the way that some of the posters on this board treat him when he was the consummate teammate and a class act this season.
 
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