draft

[Mulli]

Why the Raiders haven't started playing Russell every stinking play is beyond me. They are done for the year.Get the kid some experience and not just a token appearance here and there. Hell, Andrew Walter got in the game yesterady.

Well, Josh has somehow acquired certain pictures of Al Davis....

 

[Russ Smith]

Why the Raiders haven't started playing Russell every stinking play is beyond me. They are done for the year.Get the kid some experience and not just a token appearance here and there. Hell, Andrew Walter got in the game yesterady.

They don't want to overwhelm him. He played briefly and had some ups and some downs and they realized he still doesn't know the whole system.

The first play he basically had one read, rollout if the guy is open throw it, if not run. Most of the plays on the one drive he had were that one read type of play.

there's talk he may start soon but they were trying to coach him up before throwing him to the wolves.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

They don't want to overwhelm him. He played briefly and had some ups and some downs and they realized he still doesn't know the whole system.

The first play he basically had one read, rollout if the guy is open throw it, if not run. Most of the plays on the one drive he had were that one read type of play.

Are you talking about Russell or McCown ?

 

[DaisyCutter]

Why the Raiders haven't started playing Russell every stinking play is beyond me. They are done for the year.Get the kid some experience and not just a token appearance here and there. Hell, Andrew Walter got in the game yesterady.

I saw some of the Green Bay game yesterday, and that OL is a sieve. If you want to make sure that you turn your #1 pick into David Carr/Patrick Ramsey, then run him out there in Lambeau with Aaron Kampman and KGB running at him.

 

[SuperSpck]

I wouldn't say it worked out for the Lions. I think if they had drafted AP they wouldn't have went 0-8 in the second half of the season

I was actually being a little sarcastic, which doesn't always translate with written word. 4 of the last 5 drafts the Lions have chosen a WR on the principle of BPA, most of the 4, 1 seems to have worked out, but spends a lot of time injured (Roy Williams) and Johnson is hyper talented, but it's still too soon to tell.

 

[joeshmo]

Great place to find college player stats, including hard to find defensive stats. Unless you want to go to each teams official site which will take forever.

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&site=org

Click on any of the players names and you will get their whole stat history including game by game logs.

Also who are the good kickers and punter in the draft this year. Any good ones?

 

[D-Dogg]

is ray rice coming out this year?

I think he's a stud...

 

[DaisyCutter]

For what it's worth, the Cards are drafting 17th overall if the season ended today. That's well below where BPA is going to be a good governing philosophy, but there will be plenty of red-chip players to choose from.

FYI - The Miami Dolphins' opponents' winning percentage is 0.542. Goodness gracious. The Cards? 0.438, second-easiest in the league.

 

[Skkorpion]

I know all of you love the draft talk but I hate it when we are still in a playoff hunt.

BPA is a myth. The draft is a crap shoot top to bottom. Ryan leaf, Gallery, David Terrell, Winston Justice, Akili Smith, Crouch and on and on. Any man's bpa is a 50% bust chance.

So have at it, boys and girls.

I have opinions only on players in college I watch a lot and I'm still wrong at least 50% of the time.

From Notre Dame's team, I would never have predicted the success of RB Ryan Grant in Green Bay.

Still from the Irish:

1. DT Trevor Law is an underrated stud.
2. TE John Carlson will be a decent pro.
3. C John Sullivan is terrible. Don't even touch him as a FA.
4. S Tom Zbikowski is an overrated loser. He's killed decent Irish corners by not backing them up and hasn't done squat on the football field, either as a S or kick returner sine 2005.

I've got some opinions on some other players too from other teams but will save them until the off-season. And I absolutely despise every single 'expert" draft service. A deaf, dumb and blind gecko could do a better job than most of them.

 

[D-Dogg]

A deaf, dumb and blind gecko could do a better job than most of them.

And 15 minutes could save you 15 percent on your draft pick insurance.

 

[Duckjake]

I've got some opinions on some other players too from other teams but will save them until the off-season. And I absolutely despise every single 'expert" draft service. A deaf, dumb and blind gecko could do a better job than most of them.

Like these first round picks?

1. Dominant defensive lineman, 2 time pro-bowler with 10 year NFL career.
2. 2 time pro-bowl selection at RB with 4 1000+ yard seasons. Lifetime 4.4ypc
3. Pro bowl LB who had an 8 year NFL career
4. Pro-bowl DE with over 42 sacks in first 4 years in NFL
5. Pro bowl WR who holds a team single season receiving yardage record
6. RB who has gained 4,437 yards in the last 4 seasons.

Of course you guessed that those are 6 of the Cardinals 8 first selections in the draft from 1991 to 2000.

Thats 5 probowl talents in that 10 year period. In the 7 drafts since, the Cards have had one player, selected first by them in the draft, make the pro bowl.

A crap shoot.

 

[GreenCard]

17th pick is perfect for Felix Jones. Sign him up -- Championship.

 

[JeffGollin]

is ray rice coming out this year?

I think he's a stud...

He's expected to come out.

He's done some nice things this year for Rutgers, but - at 5-9 207 pounds, I'm not sure I'd label him "a stud."

He can be quick to the hole and is a good second-effort runner at the college level, but I'm not sure he has quite enough speed and/or quite enough strength to excel at the next level. With guys like that, you never know whether they'll either put it all together like Marcus Allen or never rise above journeyman.

Skkorp has a point on the crap-shoot nature of the draft, but I think he overstates his case. The draft is all about probablities/not "definites." Nothing's a lock; far from it. But I do believe that teams who do their homework and play the percentages will accumulate better talent in the long run than teams who don't.

Both drafting BPA and "for need" have their drawbacks. Examples: (1) BPA -The Lions. (2) Need - Tom Knight.

Applied to this Spring - I think we'd all agree that the Cardinals are hurting at FS (opposite Adrian Wilson). It's reportedly a weak year for free safeties. So - at any point in the draft - do we pass up a TE, OT, RB, pass rusher or corner who leaps out at you in order to reach for a mediocre FS in order to fill a need?

Finally, some teams seem to do a better job of ferreting out seemingly 2nd-echelon players who go on to be major contributors to their teams. Example: Tony Ugoh is doing a better job for Indy in his first year than Levi is doing for us. (No knock on Levi but kudos to Bill Polian & Co.). Or how about an unknown like Willie Parker (whom 31 other teams overlooked)?

I think our scouting dept., while pretty decent, might do some soul searching about ways it can do better - whether this might involve better networking with college HC's and assistants, resetting our evaluation criteria and priorites, conducting more thorough background checks (Buster Davis - where are you now?) or changing our policy of not bringing in prospects for second interviews. A thorough analysis of what has or hasn't worked in the past should be an ongoing process.

Then we can consider the draft a "crap shoot" - but a controlled crap shoot - with a few numbers on the dice altered in our favor.

 

[joeshmo]

For what it's worth, the Cards are drafting 17th overall if the season ended today. That's well below where BPA is going to be a good governing philosophy, but there will be plenty of red-chip players to choose from.

17th was last weeks. After all the games on Sunday and Monday we are picking 13th if the draft ended today.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The raiders followed up with Michael Bush though, who will be a stud.

Very true. I was very shocked to see that he was a 2nd day pick.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Ray Rice will lilekly come out.He's another reason i think Stewart gets pushed into round 2 and will be there.

I know alot of people here liked Michael Bush. He broke his leg right before draft time and has had some serious injuries. The sad thing is we could've have taken him in round 3 and got more production than Buster.

 

[Russ Smith]

Very true. I was very shocked to see that he was a 2nd day pick.

He's still not cleared to play though. They keep insisting his leg is healing but you almost start to wonder because the Raiders are now playing their 3rd RB in Fargas and still have not activated Bush. Maybe they're just being cautious and he'll be fine next year, hope so for his sake.

I liked him a lot in college but he wasn't fast before the injury so you have to wonder if he'll be fast enough after it?

 

[D-Dogg]

Ray Rice will lilekly come out.He's another reason i think Stewart gets pushed into round 2 and will be there.

I know alot of people here liked Michael Bush. He broke his leg right before draft time and has had some serious injuries. The sad thing is we could've have taken him in round 3 and got more production than Buster.

I was dying for us to take Bush...he's going to be a stud, I think.

I wouldn't be shocked if after all is said and done, Ray Rice is the second best back to come out of this draft and one of the best overall players. Just his impact on rutgers alone is pretty impressive.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I was dying for us to take Bush...he's going to be a stud, I think.

I wouldn't be shocked if after all is said and done, Ray Rice is the second best back to come out of this draft and one of the best overall players. Just his impact on rutgers alone is pretty impressive.

I could live with Rice. I think i'd rather have Mendenhall or McFadden but i don't think i'd break anything if we took him.There are highre rated players that wiil be available when the Cards pick but that's never stopped them before.I don't know whether he'll last through round 1 or not. You're right, he's about all Rutgers has going for them.If he was there at the top of round 2 ,i'd like to see another trade up scenario like last year and nab him.

 

[joeshmo]

He's still not cleared to play though. They keep insisting his leg is healing but you almost start to wonder because the Raiders are now playing their 3rd RB in Fargas and still have not activated Bush. Maybe they're just being cautious and he'll be fine next year, hope so for his sake.

I liked him a lot in college but he wasn't fast before the injury so you have to wonder if he'll be fast enough after it?

Bush is on IR. The deadline came for PUP list players to either put them on the active roster or IR them. Raiders decided to IR him.

 

[D-Dogg]

He's expected to come out.

He's done some nice things this year for Rutgers, but - at 5-9 207 pounds, I'm not sure I'd label him "a stud."

I don't like this argument. Those measurables really say nothing about how good or bad a back will be. Other factors, maybe...and I like the other stuff you say (I personally think when a guy elevates an entire team the way Rice has, he's a stud) but the measurables argument doesn't hold water, IMO.

Emmitt Smith was same height and two pounds heavier coming out of college.

Current players in the same area of height/weight:

5'9 and under

Frank Gore 3 5-9/223 (heavier)
Brian Westbrook 6 5-9/200
Travis Henry 7 5-9/215
DeAngelo Williams 2 5-9/217
Maurice Jones-Drew 2 5-7.5/210
Warrick Dunn 11 5-9/180 (lighter)
Earnest Graham 4 5-9/215
Leon Washington 2 5-8/202
Dominic Rhodes 7 5-9/205
Kevin Faulk 9 5-8/202 (stud until hurt this year)

5'10"

LaDainian Tomlinson 5-10/221 (heavier and taller but not that far off..stretch here)
Willie Parker 5-10/209
Rudi Johnson 5-10/214
Thomas Jones 5-10/215
Julius Jones 5-10/211




That was from a preseason fantasy football draft list.


His height/weight doesn't say he will be a stud, but it doesn't say he won't either. 15 teams passed on Emmitt because they thought he was "too small." His legs weren't too small, though...freaking tree trunks. Like MoJo Drew who is a jumbo shrimp.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

i would've thought Rudi Johnson was alot bigger than that. Plus, you figure as Rice gets older he'll put on some more muscle weight.

 

[Gee!]

Ive been on the Cason bandwagon for two frickin years now! So once again...

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[D-Dogg]

Gee, in that Oregon game did you see cason taking pics on the sidelines with the fans who were waiting to rush the field? That was great...he was celebrating with them. I think he'd reach up into our endzone after a big win a la Dansby.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Ive been on the Cason bandwagon for two frickin years now! So once again...

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Gotta give up for Gee! You have been touting Cason longer than anyone else I've seen!
I HOPE the Cards are somehow able to finagle being in position to grab this stud!!