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[Gee!]

Gee, in that Oregon game did you see cason taking pics on the sidelines with the fans who were waiting to rush the field? That was great...he was celebrating with them. I think he'd reach up into our endzone after a big win a la Dansby.

Must have missed that.. But I have heard Cason is a class act, so thats just another reason we need him..

If we draft Cason, Im buying his jersey as soon as they become available.. And I dont buy rookie jerseys because you never know how they are gonna be in the NFL... But I'll be getting his on day one..

 

[Gee!]

Gotta give up for Gee! You have been touting Cason longer than anyone else I've seen!
I HOPE the Cards are somehow able to finagle being in position to grab this stud!!

We have a good chance if we draft around the 15-17 range.. I hope.. Combine's havent happened yet and everyone knows things change alot up until draft day..

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

How's this for the first 3 rounds
1-Rashard Mendenhall
2-Antoine Cason
3-Shawn Crable

i think that's make everyone happy and there's a good chance all 3 are available when we pick. Crable, if i ahd to pick, might be most likley to be gone.

 

[Shogun]

*yawn* @ all this Ray Rice talk. He's solid, but he's in the lower second-tier, early third tier of backs coming out this year. Not a fan so much because he just doesn't impress me as a prospect. To compare to a draft classmate - Rice is like Mike Hart with a tad more explosion - natural runner, but is short and has average speed for his position. A very good college player, but will need a niche system for him to flourish.

He'd be cool if he was taken in the third round, but no where before that because again he's not as impressive in comparison of his classmates (which really isn't a slight because this class is ILL).

With all of that said, I do think that he could be a serviceable back, but not a feature back worthy of a high selection.

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't like this argument. Those measurables really say nothing about how good or bad a back will be. His height/weight doesn't say he will be a stud, but it doesn't say he won't either.

How many Rutgers games did you watch this season? I live in Jersey, root for the Scarlet Knights, watched every game and enthusiastically followed Rice ever since he was recruited from New Rochelle HS.

I'm not basing my assessment on size alone (Rice is similar in size to Brian Westbrook and Tiki Barber). I'm taking into consideration the way he runs - effective against most college teams and dangerous once he gets to the second level, but not big enough or strong enough to consistently move the pile and lacking truly elite speed.

You make a good point about Emmit, but you must have skimmed past my comment that a guy like Rice (productive and well-rounded but lacking ideal size and quicks) is a bit iffy as an every down prospect in the pros - he could either turn out to be the next Marcus Allen or he could wind up more of a journeyman RB).

When I think of a stud RB, I was thinking more along the lines of a big guy like Steven Jackson or Brandon Jacobs who can lug the rock 30 - 35 times a game. Although there are smaller-RB exceptions (Cadillac Williams for example) I believe Rice is likely be utilized more as a passing-down JJ Arrington/Westbrook situation-RB than as a feature back in the pros.

Just one person's opinion.

 

[Shogun]

I don't like this argument. Those measurables really say nothing about how good or bad a back will be. Other factors, maybe...and I like the other stuff you say....but the measurables argument doesn't hold water, IMO.

Measurables ALWAYS holds water, even in the slightest degree. There's a reason why the Jerome Harrisons' of the college world don't get their foot in the door and why Marion Barbers' slide routinely.

ALOT of the people you listed had SPEED to compensate for their size. Ray Rice does not. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule, but I don't think that he falls in that category.

I think Rice measures in a 5-8, 211 at the combine.

I also don't like how people are giving Ray Rice every single bit of credit for Rutgers "revival" if you honestly call it that. People seem to forget that Brian Leonard was the one who was putting Rutgers in the national spotlight and the fact that they were finally getting those S. Florida leftovers to pan out with their commitment to retaining the NJ talent.

 

[D-Dogg]

How many Rutgers games did you watch this season? I live in Jersey, root for the Scarlet Knights, watched every game and enthusiastically followed Rice ever since he was recruited from New Rochelle HS.

I'm not basing my assessment on size alone (Rice is similar in size to Brian Westbrook and Tiki Barber). I'm taking into consideration the way he runs - effective against most college teams and dangerous once he gets to the second level, but not big enough or strong enough to consistently move the pile and lacking truly elite speed.

You make a good point about Emmit, but you must have skimmed past my comment that a guy like Rice (productive and well-rounded but lacking ideal size and quicks) is a bit iffy as an every down prospect in the pros - he could either turn out to be the next Marcus Allen or he could wind up more of a journeyman RB).

When I think of a stud RB, I was thinking more along the lines of a big guy like Steven Jackson or Brandon Jacobs who can lug the rock 30 - 35 times a game. Although there are smaller-RB exceptions (Cadillac Williams for example) I believe Rice is likely be utilized more as a passing-down JJ Arrington/Westbrook situation-RB than as a feature back in the pros.

Just one person's opinion.

I didn't miss any of that...in fact I said those were good points.

I just took issue of measurables being used to judge RBs...all the rest of the stuff you said is valid and worth reading. I just have a slight peeve with "he's too small to be an NFL back" when there are several NFL backs of comparable size in the league doing very well...it happens every year. Probably stems from me being 5'8" and 190.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

How's this for the first 3 rounds
1-Rashard Mendenhall
2-Antoine Cason
3-Shawn Crable

i think that's make everyone happy and there's a good chance all 3 are available when we pick. Crable, if i ahd to pick, might be most likley to be gone.

Cason won't be available in R2.

 

[Shogun]

Cason won't be available in R2.

And Crable won't be there in R3 either.

 

[D-Dogg]

and why Marion Barbers' slide routinely.

I think you kind of made my point. Height/Weight isn't so important as running style, speed, etc. By measurables, Barber as a 6 foot 220 pound back shouldn't have slid to the 4th round.

 

[Shogun]

I think you kind of made my point. Height/Weight isn't so important as running style, speed, etc. By measurables, Barber as a 6 foot 220 pound back shouldn't have slid to the 4th round.

Speed is a measurable, hence my post. Speed is what makes the difference from the aforementioned Marion Barber and one like Adrian Peterson.

Initially you said that measurables don't carry any weight, when they do (albiet at different levels per position). Otherwise, there wouldn't be a combine and they'd just grade everything from game film.

 

[D-Dogg]

Speed is a measurable, hence my post. Speed is what makes the difference from the aforementioned Marion Barber and one like Adrian Peterson.

Initially you said that measurables don't carry any weight, when they do (albiet at different levels per position). Otherwise, there wouldn't be a combine and they'd just grade everything from game film.

Initially I said "those" measurables...referring to the bolded height and weight in the post I quoted, then just carried along from there. My bad for not being clear. I don't think height and weight carries much weight...too many other variables to take into account, and yes all of which are measurables.

 

[CardLogic]

I also don't like how people are giving Ray Rice every single bit of credit for Rutgers "revival" if you honestly call it that. People seem to forget that Brian Leonard was the one who was putting Rutgers in the national spotlight and the fact that they were finally getting those S. Florida leftovers to pan out with their commitment to retaining the NJ talent.

If any single person ought to be credited with Rutgers revival, that person is HC Greg Schiano.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

And Crable won't be there in R3 either.

Alot of people thought that about Prescott Burgess last year as well.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Measurables ALWAYS holds water, even in the slightest degree. There's a reason why the Jerome Harrisons' of the college world don't get their foot in the door and why Marion Barbers' slide routinely.

ALOT of the people you listed had SPEED to compensate for their size. Ray Rice does not. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule, but I don't think that he falls in that category.

I think Rice measures in a 5-8, 211 at the combine.

I also don't like how people are giving Ray Rice every single bit of credit for Rutgers "revival" if you honestly call it that. People seem to forget that Brian Leonard was the one who was putting Rutgers in the national spotlight and the fact that they were finally getting those S. Florida leftovers to pan out with their commitment to retaining the NJ talent.

Rice caused Leonard to change postions because he's better than Leonard. Then Rutgers went 9-0,or something like that, largely behind Rice's running. He doesn't get all the credit but i would say he is responsible for alot of it. But, you're right it's still Rutgers and going 9-0 in the Big East hasn't shown to hold alot of water.Just ask USF, Louisville, WVU, along with Rutgers. I mean it's not like going 9-0 in the Big 10 D, sees smoke coming out of LVCardfreak's ears).

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Cason won't be available in R2.

I'm willing to wager that he's not 1st round pick.Payable on what game i attend next year. Of course what i'm really betting on is a slow 40 time because if he runs 4.47,or thereabouts, he'll go in round 1.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Alot of people thought that about Prescott Burgess last year as well.

He has impressed me in B'more. He and Antwaan Barnes both seem to be on their way.

 

[D-Dogg]

I'm willing to wager that he's not 1st round pick.Payable on what game i attend next year. Of course what i'm really betting on is a slow 40 time because if he runs 4.47,or thereabouts, he'll go in round 1.

He won't run a slow 40 time.

Wager is a six pack. Deal? Cason is a 1st rounder.

 

[abomb]

FYI - The Miami Dolphins' opponents' winning percentage is 0.542. Goodness gracious. The Cards? 0.438, second-easiest in the league.

The Patriots have something to do with that.

 

[Shogun]

Rice caused Leonard to change postions because he's better than Leonard.

.....OR maybe because the best chance for Rutgers to win would be to put BOTH of them on the field simultaneously and since Rice was not 6-1, 230+ nor a capable blocker it would've been best to put him at TB and Leonard at FB?

The selective memory baffles me sometimes.

 

[Shogun]

Alot of people thought that about Prescott Burgess last year as well.

Crable > Burgess.

Unlike Burgess, he has speed.

 

[DaisyCutter]

The Patriots have something to do with that.

Truly. After last week, the Eagles now have the hardest schedule in the league. Opponents had a 0.582 winning percentage. Part of that has to do with the Pats, and the NFC East being very strong this season.

 

[lobo]

bpa

I hope you guys who are talking draft already realize that you will have over four months to exhaust the bpa or need story to kick around....it is not a sprint it's a marathon...maybe you should give it a bit of a rest. If you want to bring up the draft talk players it might be more interesting. Y'all are gonna get very tired of going over the same tracks comes the end of January.

I am not getting in the tangle yet. I will wait until the bowl games are over and we CLINCH a playoff spot.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

He won't run a slow 40 time.

Wager is a six pack. Deal? Cason is a 1st rounder.

It's a bet.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

.....OR maybe because the best chance for Rutgers to win would be to put BOTH of them on the field simultaneously and since Rice was not 6-1, 230+ nor a capable blocker it would've been best to put him at TB and Leonard at FB?

The selective memory baffles me sometimes.

It's not selective memory.Leonard changed positions or he was Rice's backup. Rice could never be considered a FB. Their best chance to win was having them both on the field.You have to give the coaching staff credit for making the move and talking Leonard into the switch for the better of the team.I'm pretty sure Leonard would have re-considered returning that last year if he knew he was going to be moved. To his credit, he realized that was best for the team and agreed to the switch.It all worked out well becuase the team won and Leonard was still drafted relatively high.