Drafting Quarterbacks

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It is true as several have posted that this is a risky proposition at best. This is why if all else is equal or even close, you take the surest thing. Let's take a quick look at the contenders.

1. Manning has been bred and nurtured to be a QB. He excels at reading defenses, especially picking up the blitz. He does a good job of moving out of the pocket but not too fast and dumping the ball to avoid sacks. He has a better than average, but not great arm. Forget how he does against LSU. It's amazing he got this team this far in the first place. Wait and see how many other guys on his team even go day one. He is the safest pick by lightyears.

2. Roethlisberger probably has the best skill set. He hasn't played against first line corners, so he will tend to overestimate where he can put the ball. He still could develop into a big time player, but some guys never make the adjustment. I think he makes it, but Manning is a surer bet.

3. Rivers is a guy everyone but the scouts love. His release point is low and that could be a problem against the consistently large NFL linemen. He is athletic, creative and plays well when the game is on the line. He plays better than his phyical talents. He has great leadership skills. I think he makes it, but historically the odds are heavily against him.

4. If you want a longshot, take Harris out of Bowling Green. He lacks discipline, but reminds me of Carter. His can win with his arms or his legs, but can he play under control?

This is really a no brainer. If Manning is on the board, he has to be taken. If not, go defensive line or cornerback.
 

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my sentiments on manning..exactly.. Poor josh mccown..he is almost the opposite of manning..Mccown: fleet of foot..supposed to have a strong arm..but cannot read defenses (yet anyway), is nervous as a ***** in church in the pocket, and played at Sam Houston state against very questionable competition.

After watching Blake and Plummer..I want a qb who can read defenses and can make accurate short and medium throws...at least it will be a change of pace...

I have the ESPN college gameplan..and I have watched Mississippi play (last season and this season) quite a bit.. Manning has had some bad outings (I think it was against memphis this season ) - but he is a gamer and his good games outnumber his bad games by quite a bit.
 
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Originally posted by Harry
This is really a no brainer. If Manning is on the board, he has to be taken. If not, go defensive line or cornerback.

I just have this feeling they will pass even if Manning is on the board. I wish I could put my finger on why I feel this way but cannot. Bonus $$? QB in round 1?? Drafting to fill the myriad of other holes?? I don't know maybe all 3???

Pinnacle, Chris Simms bad games were outnumbered by his good games so I am not sure that is how we analyze this...and I would argue Simms was born and bred to play QB too. I am not anti-Manning...quite the contrary. I just wish I had faith Graves would pull the trigger if he is on the board.
 

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Originally posted by Harry


3. Rivers is a guy everyone but the scouts love. His release point is low and that could be a problem against the consistently large NFL linemen. He is athletic, creative and plays well when the game is on the line. He plays better than his phyical talents. He has great leadership skills. I think he makes it, but historically the odds are heavily against him.


I'm a big fan of Rivers. Sure he isn't the most physically talented (looks real slow moving in the pocket) but he knows how to play the game and he is a winner. I wouldn't say he is athletic, I would say he is skilled, which is a big reason why he has completed an amazing 72% of his passes.

I still want us to draft Manning, but I think Rivers could be an alternative later on depending on how his workouts go.
 

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Re: Re: Drafting Quarterbacks

Originally posted by AZCB34
I just have this feeling they will pass even if Manning is on the board. I wish I could put my finger on why I feel this way but cannot. Bonus $$? QB in round 1?? Drafting to fill the myriad of other holes?? I don't know maybe all 3???


Maybe it's from watching the Cards draft the last few seasons. Last draft in particular.
 

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Re: Re: Drafting Quarterbacks

Originally posted by AZCB34
I just have this feeling they will pass even if Manning is on the board. I wish I could put my finger on why I feel this way but cannot. Bonus $$? QB in round 1?? Drafting to fill the myriad of other holes?? I don't know maybe all 3???

I just wish I had faith Graves would pull the trigger if he is on the board.

If you look at it strictly from Bill Sr.'s perspective, then yeah, $$ and past failures would probablly play a huge factor in this descision. However, now that there is real GM in place running football operations, and M. Bidwill running the day to day show, I think we can take a more logical point of view in a football sense, when analyzing our options.

Now there might still be a number of reasons why we might not take him, but I don't know that the old knee-jerk reactions of "Bidwill's just cheap, thats why" still apply to the Cards the way they used to.

If he was there though, I do think we'd take him. The timing is just right IMO....
  • New Head Coach
  • Stud RB
  • Developing Receivers
  • Leaders and High draft picks on Defense
  • Will be ready when we move to our new stadium

Not to mention the lack of confidence Graves has expressed in McCown, and Blake is obviously only a temporary solution, so if not them who? Blake is still on the hook for two more years, and drafting another "project" would take too long and be too risky. The only option left to go big, and grab the "Franchise QB" thats staring us in the face.

Granted our history will always give cause for concern, but there are only so many options, that simple process of elimination should make the choice clear.

Draft Eli Manning
 

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Re: Re: Re: Drafting Quarterbacks

Originally posted by CaliforniaCard
If you look at it strictly from Bill Sr.'s perspective, then yeah, $$ and past failures would probablly play a huge factor in this descision. However, now that there is real GM in place running football operations, and M. Bidwill running the day to day show, I think we can take a more logical point of view in a football sense, when analyzing our options.

Now there might still be a number of reasons why we might not take him, but I don't know that the old knee-jerk reactions of "Bidwill's just cheap, thats why" still apply to the Cards the way they used to.

If he was there though, I do think we'd take him. The timing is just right IMO....
  • New Head Coach
  • Stud RB
  • Developing Receivers
  • Leaders and High draft picks on Defense
  • Will be ready when we move to our new stadium

Not to mention the lack of confidence Graves has expressed in McCown, and Blake is obviously only a temporary solution, so if not them who? Blake is still on the hook for two more years, and drafting another "project" would take too long and be too risky. The only option left to go big, and grab the "Franchise QB" thats staring us in the face.

Granted our history will always give cause for concern, but there are only so many options, that simple process of elimination should make the choice clear.

Draft Eli Manning

Good post!

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nice post california card...If he is on the board...even if the football people think we need to draft someone else..I think the Bidwills would draft Eli anyway...They do not want to take this product to the new stadium...and they need a marquee qb.
 

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nice post california card...If he is on the board...even if the football people think we need to draft someone else..I think the Bidwills would draft Eli anyway...They do not want to take this product to the new stadium...and they need a marquee qb.

Fiasco..I would..but Brad will stay another year at Mizzou..I think..
 

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Manning did not have a great game against LSU today. He was as inaccurate as I've ever seen him. Something to be concerned about? Maybe. But I'd still say if the draft was tomorrow, he'd be the smart pick.
 

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Re: Re: Drafting Quarterbacks

Originally posted by AZCB34
I just have this feeling they will pass even if Manning is on the board. I wish I could put my finger on why I feel this way but cannot. Bonus $$? QB in round 1?? Drafting to fill the myriad of other holes?? I don't know maybe all 3???

Pinnacle, Chris Simms bad games were outnumbered by his good games so I am not sure that is how we analyze this...and I would argue Simms was born and bred to play QB too. I am not anti-Manning...quite the contrary. I just wish I had faith Graves would pull the trigger if he is on the board.

According to Jurecki, the Cardinals front office (especially Graves) love Manning and that they would have drafted him this year if he came out early.

So if Jurecki's info is accurate ... I think it would be safe to say that if he is available when the Cards pick that they'll take him.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Drafting Quarterbacks

Originally posted by Evil Ash
According to Jurecki, the Cardinals front office (especially Graves) love Manning and that they would have drafted him this year if he came out early.

So if Jurecki's info is accurate ... I think it would be safe to say that if he is available when the Cards pick that they'll take him.

Let's hope that is accurate info.
 

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Dear Harry here is my take on Eli Manning after watching him all of this year. I am responding to your take on him!!!

1. Manning has been bred and nurtured to be a QB.

Answer: So were alot of Throbreed Horses, but still some of them wide-up in the glue factory and/or jello.


2. He excels at reading defenses, especially picking up the blitz.

Answer: Could have fooled me today LSU ate him for lunch today.

3. He does a good job of moving out of the pocket but not too fast and dumping the ball to avoid sacks.

Answer: see answer to #2. He looked like a Klisdale today, just what we don't need or want.

4. He has a better than average, but not great arm.

Answer: Very average arm. Reminded me of Danny Waufahls arm strength.

5. Forget how he does against LSU.

Answer: No way. This is the kind of a game you want to see him play in: This time the Cream that rose to the top was on LSU's team. Mauch!!!

6. It's amazing he got this team this far in the first place.

Answer: Yes it is amazing, but then again it is college football

7. Wait and see how many other guys on his team even go day one.

Answer: Not many!!!

8. He is the safest pick by lightyears.

Answer: No way. he should be a low 2nd or high 3rd round pick.
Even Andrew Walter of ASU is a much better passer than Manning. The best College QB is the USC QB. Hands down.

We have to stop looking for name recogntion.


Allan:wave: :thumbup:
 

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Originally posted by Bobcat
Dear Harry here is my take on Eli Manning after watching him all of this year. I am responding to your take on him!!!

2. He excels at reading defenses, especially picking up the blitz.

Answer: Could have fooled me today LSU ate him for lunch today.



I don't if this was the wrong game to judge him by or the perfect game.

He was hurried all day long. Sacked a few and picked off at least once (he could fit right in to the Cards offense) . After the pick the announcer said that Manning is 9-11 in games he starts after an interception. That's an interesting stat. Does that mean he isn't picked off very often or that when playing a D like today his line is overmatched.

On the other hand, this was their superbowl. And that LSU D was very good. The team managed to keep it close where the other rivals games turned into blowouts.

I seem to remember that Peyton had trouble with big rivalry games. Yet we would be very fortunate to have drafted him.
 

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Originally posted by 8ndkorner


I seem to remember that Peyton had trouble with big rivalry games. Yet we would be very fortunate to have drafted him.

Yep. He never did beat Florida, I believe. When Peyton announced he was coming back for his senior year, Steve Spurrier said, "He must love playing in the Outback Bowl."
 

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I wonder how many "NFL caliber" defenses Neil Lomax faced at Portland State?

How many "big" games did Brett Farve win at Southern Mississippi?

How many National Championships did Duante Culpepper win at Central Florida?

How many conference games did Steve McNair play against top 25 teams while he was at Alcorn State?
 

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Originally posted by Duckjake
I wonder how many "NFL caliber" defenses Neil Lomax faced at Portland State?

How many "big" games did Brett Farve win at Southern Mississippi?

How many National Championships did Duante Culpepper win at Central Florida?

How many conference games did Steve McNair play against top 25 teams while he was at Alcorn State?

Remember none of their fathers or brothers ever played in the NFL.

Remeber Name Recognition doesn't make the player. His athletic abillty does and so far I question The Eli'e Hipe.

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Originally posted by Duckjake
I wonder how many "NFL caliber" defenses Neil Lomax faced at Portland State?

How many "big" games did Brett Farve win at Southern Mississippi?

How many National Championships did Duante Culpepper win at Central Florida?

How many conference games did Steve McNair play against top 25 teams while he was at Alcorn State?

Good point.
 

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actually...manning did put his team in a position to at least tie -and one of the best kickers in the SEC missed a 36 yard field goal.

Eli made some bad plays - but..if he would have had an average running game - or an average offensive line - they would have won. Their defense played well enough to win also..

This is like the 6th time I have seen him play this season..so lets count this as a bad performance. I saw 4 very good performances and 2 bad/marginal performances...
 

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If there is one thing that Eli (and Payton) have learned from Archie is how to play well on a crummy team. Look at Old-Man Archie's career in New Orleans.

I think Eli would do well here, although I still think the Cardinals need to wait for DJ Shockley.
 

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