Dragic will not sign extension with Suns

[sunsfan88]

He requested a trade be done before Thursday's deadline.

Hornacek knew it was far from perfect for Dragic.

"It's obvious, with the guards, he might be unhappy with it," Hornacek said. "That's just part of it, adjusting to things. Was it ideal? No. Would it have got to where it was last year? Maybe."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor.../?hootPostID=9bca4d1789a6f98a09e7d235c998f91e

 

[3rdside]

We'll see. I think it's safe to say he'll make between 16-20 million, and even at 16 million, I'd be pretty hesitant.

Speculation based on available data/opinions trumps your straw men.

If someone can show me it was Dragic who said pay me $20m then by all means jump on him. He didn't, so don't.

And anyone who thinks he's not worth at least what Bledsoe is making is horribly, horribly misguided - add in inflation, Dragic's 3rd team All NBA last year, the salary cap rise (and the huge one forecast for the year after next) and his Bird rights...the dude is worth at least $15m. At least.

I'd have (or at least wouldn't have before this ugly saga blew up) no problem paying him $16m (assuming IT is traded and we revert back to last year's style of play where dragic is the floor leader). At $17m I start to get uncomfortable and $18m or more I think we're better of trading him. It didn't need to be this difficult but the FO f**ked it up royally and here we are.

 

[sunsfan88]

Boivin: Cardinals had foresight, and the Suns didn't

How did two of the most respected professional athletes in Arizona end up heading in such opposite directions?

Foresight. The Cardinals embraced it. The Suns lacked it.

The Cardinals' ability to secure wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald and still maintain cap flexibility says a lot about communication and transparency. Everyone knew this was coming. It is a nod to both sides that conversations were ongoing.

"We had quite a bit of dialogue this past year," general manager Steve Keim said to media at the NFL combine, adding that Fitzgerald "has a tremendous relationship with Michael Bidwill, our president and owner, so that really helped."

There weren't a lot of surprises as the season unfolded. Coach Bruce Arians has been upfront about the role he envisioned for the wide receiver. Fitzgerald may not have embraced it but he was never blindsided by it.

And sure, it helped that Fitzgerald hoped to remain with the team.

I always thought Goran Dragic, after his return to the Suns, did, too.

More important, any point guard with the talent to reach the NBA wants to be "the guy." When the Suns brought in two more, Eric Bledsoe and Isaiah Thomas, it was a recipe for failure.

As Paul Coro reported, Dragic lost trust in the organization. At this level, the lack of faith is usually irreparable. General manager Ryan McDonough has acknowledged the team's roster balance is off and blamed himself.

There's the lack of foresight.

Overall, both general managers have done tremendous jobs. The Dragic scenario, however, is not reflecting well on McDonough. How the Suns follow this up will go a long way in measuring his GM chops.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...ls-had-foresight-and-the-suns-didnt/23620843/

Its not often that the Cardinals one up the Suns.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Just because you don't think Dragic isn't worth the money doesn't make you right.

Of course it doesn't, but I'd love to see you make the argument that he is worth it. Here's a list of the top salaries in the league - http://espn.go.com/nba/salaries

Mostly elite players and players that are grossly overpaid. Care to speculate as to which group Goran is more likely to fall?

You say Dragic isn't even a top 10 PG and yet he made All NBA last year. Was second team on most of the better NBA analyst lists.

Yes, he made 3rd team all NBA and had an amazing season. (for a team that didn't make the playoffs) He also has never come close to making an all star team, and the rest of his career numbers don't come close to what he did last year. Is it possible that he keeps up that production moving forward? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet 16-20 million per season on it.

He was much, much better than Tony Parker during the regular season.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Maybe you're just wrong. Ever think of that?

Of course, and I acknowledged that. There is a CHANCE Goran turns into a top 5 point guard (which you'd be paying him like at 16-20 mil per year), but considering he is 28 and continues to run himself in the ground playing in Europe during the summer, I doubt he'll get much better. (at least to the point where he'll be a top 5 PG)

Look, I'd like to keep Goran if we could pay him at the same level as Bledsoe, but that's clearly no longer an option. No use in crying over spilled milk, time to move on and see what we can get for Goran.

 

[GatorAZ]

He doesn't trust the Suns, well have fun playing for Jimmy Dolan lol.

 

[slinslin]

Its not often that the Cardinals one up the Suns.

Uh comparing Dragic to Larry is a joke.

Dragic has achieved nothing in his time in Phoenix.

They only made the playoffs 1 year with him and back then he was still called Tragic.

 

[KloD]

Everything is coming together! I couldn't be more happy. Dragic is overrated and will be 29 this season. Max contract... what a joke. Now they have a bidding war if the reports are correct with all these teams throwing in their hat.
But Dragic said he loves Phoenix... yeah, guys say lots of things. Now he has his feelings hurt and some think he's been screwed or lied too. LOL! Suns brought him into the league. Suns gave him a nice contract where there was none. He in the least owes them respect, but he's chosen to act like a whinny little ass and people feel like he was slighted. LOL! I'm confident in a few years this big contract Dragic will sign this summer will be viewed as awful. He's not a team player, he's not a leader, he's not worth the kind of money he will get, and he's clearly doesn't love you.

 

[3rdside]

Of course it doesn't, but I'd love to see you make the argument that he is worth it. Here's a list of the top salaries in the league - http://espn.go.com/nba/salaries

Mostly elite players and players that are grossly overpaid. Care to speculate as to which group Goran is more likely to fall?



Yes, he made 3rd team all NBA and had an amazing season. (for a team that didn't make the playoffs) He also has never come close to making an all star team, and the rest of his career numbers don't come close to what he did last year. Is it possible that he keeps up that production moving forward? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet 16-20 million per season on it.

All star appearances are fan votes so don't really have much credibility and everyone knows Dragic got shafted by not being an all star last year. 3rd team all NBA is better recognition and, based on this, he completely deserves more money than Bledsoe.

 

[SO91]

All star appearances are fan votes so don't really have much credibility and everyone knows Dragic got shafted by not being an all star last year. 3rd team all NBA is better recognition and, based on this, he completely deserves more money than Bledsoe.

He did it once, in a year his team didn't make the playoffs, and also the same year guys like Brodie were injured. He didn't show that type of production before, and so far, hasn't this year. He can bitch and pout about the system, but if he wants to be the man, he should be the unquestioned leader of THIS team. He isn't.

 

[Sci Fi]

Chris,

I'm not about to spend the time necessary to make an argument for Dragic. I've done that many times in many ways over the years and my arguments have fallen on deaf ears. All I will say simply is that more than anything I try to watch a player, evaluate his stats and then MOST of all I try to see how he leads his team to victories. I saw that happen with Dragic in Houston when he became a starter, I saw that when he lead his country in Eurobasket 2013 and most of all I saw it last year. Eurobasket was when I really saw him flip a switch and that's why I was so confidently defiant the Suns would be good last year. It was all Dragic.

You say there is a chance he turns into a top 5 PG. I say he basically already did that. Hell, last year for a reasonable amount of time, he not only was that but he was a top 5 player in the entire league. Periods like this just don't happen very often and peak levels of performance are a reasonable guide for judging potential.

There's nothing more I can really say. You think it's an overpay. Fine. So does McDonough. But i've been right about Dragic more than you or McDonough or basically anyone else (anywhere really). It takes an open minded person to look at reality honestly, compare it to their beliefs and then decide to stay the course or make necessary corrections.

 

[KANIDJA]

Everything is coming together! I couldn't be more happy. Dragic is overrated and will be 29 this season. Max contract... what a joke. Now they have a bidding war if the reports are correct with all these teams throwing in their hat.
But Dragic said he loves Phoenix... yeah, guys say lots of things. Now he has his feelings hurt and some think he's been screwed or lied too. LOL! Suns brought him into the league. Suns gave him a nice contract where there was none. He in the least owes them respect, but he's chosen to act like a whinny little ass and people feel like he was slighted. LOL! I'm confident in a few years this big contract Dragic will sign this summer will be viewed as awful. He's not a team player, he's not a leader, he's not worth the kind of money he will get, and he's clearly doesn't love you.

Agree with you completely. Summed it up nicely. Get him and his whinny ass out of here. He is not worth $20 mil and even if he is there is no way you give two max contracts to two point guards on the same team. Bledsoe or Dragic? You can make argument both ways, bit Dragic choose to bad mouth us and leave. Get this janez out of here. Actually met him few times through friends this dude is very unimpressive. Move him yesterday and lets get on with it.

 

[Mainstreet]

Its not often that the Cardinals one up the Suns.

Does Boivin understand the situation with Fitz and Dragic are different?

 

[slinslin]

Does Boivin understand the situation with Fitz and Dragic are different?

Fitz = Greatest Cardinal of All Time
Dragic = not even close to ring of honor material

 

[ASUCHRIS]

All star appearances are fan votes so don't really have much credibility and everyone knows Dragic got shafted by not being an all star last year.

Last year was the only year anyone can point to as a year where he deserved All Star consideration. Please show me one other year where he got "shafted". Again, Dragic is a very good player, just not near a top 5 pg.

3rd team all NBA is better recognition and, based on this, he completely deserves more money than Bledsoe.

So you're arguing because he had one fluke (compared to the rest of his career) season, he deserves more than a much younger, more talented Bledsoe?

There are arguments to be made to pay Goran, but again, let's focus on the vast majority of his production, not the statistical anomaly that is last year.

Whether or not choosing Bledsoe over Goran is a difficult argument, but paying Goran 16-20 million in addition to paying Bledsoe? That's a bridge too far for me.

 

[Absolute Zero]

Well, SI.com is reporting that Danny Ainge is making a run for Dragic to become a Celtic.
http://www.si.com/nba/2015/02/18/phoenix-suns-goran-dragic-trade-boston-celtics

 

[Sci Fi]

Last year was the only year anyone can point to as a year where he deserved All Star consideration. Please show me one other year where he got "shafted". Again, Dragic is a very good player, just not near a top 5 pg.



So you're arguing because he had one fluke (compared to the rest of his career) season, he deserves more than a much younger, more talented Bledsoe?

There are arguments to be made to pay Goran, but again, let's focus on the vast majority of his production, not the statistical anomaly that is last year.

Whether or not choosing Bledsoe over Goran is a difficult argument, but paying Goran 16-20 million in addition to paying Bledsoe? That's a bridge too far for me.

Talent is more than strength, quickness and leaping ability. It also encompasses skills such as dribbling, passing, awareness and shooting. Shooting is BY FAR more important than anything else. Goran Dragic is much, much more talented than Eric Bledsoe.

 

[Mainstreet]

Fitz = Greatest Cardinal of All Time
Dragic = not even close to ring of honor material

And so much more.

 

[Mainstreet]

Talent is more than strength, quickness and leaping ability. It also encompasses skills such as dribbling, passing, awareness and shooting. Shooting is BY FAR more important than anything else. Goran Dragic is much, much more talented than Eric Bledsoe.

Sci Fi, it's not like the fans are making these decisions.

 

[devilalum]

He gave the Suns a list of seven teams that he would re-sign with this summer, including the Lakers and Knicks.

What are the other 5?

 

[Mainstreet]

What are the other 5?

Miami is one.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'd be all over a Dragic + Plumlee for Sullinger deal.

 

[slinslin]

Talent is more than strength, quickness and leaping ability. It also encompasses skills such as dribbling, passing, awareness and shooting. Shooting is BY FAR more important than anything else. Goran Dragic is much, much more talented than Eric Bledsoe.

Talent also includes defense which Goran Dragic plays none of.

Also Bledsoe is 4 years younger, 4 years ago Dragic barely managed to score more than 10ppg.

BTW concerning shooting

Bledsoe TS% 56.3% Dragic 57.3%

 

[Ronin]

Indiana and Houston?

 

[devilalum]

Indiana and Houston?

Thought Houston was a no?

 

[elindholm]

I'd be all over a Dragic + Plumlee for Sullinger deal.

Not happening, but they might get Olynyk.