Dragic will not sign extension with Suns

[AzStevenCal]

I can't say I have much of a clue where this team in heading but it doesn't look like it moving up into contention soon, which makes Goran a bad fit time-wise, IMO. I don't know if McD & Company would have viewed it that way so I think its fortuitous that Goran is forcing his way out. (He did leave us with little time to maneuver however.) Its unfortunate, albeit understandable, that he doesn't want to go to Houston because they might have given up Terrence Jones or maybe even Jones and Capela to get him.

Another serendipity of Goran's actions might be greatly increased playing time for our young guys since making the playoffs appears to be considerably less likely now. If IT is collateral damage, I won't be upset because I believe that Ennis will prove to be our best PG and IT would probably block his progress.

It is a sad state affairs when we have to depend on this kind of thing to get our coaches pointed in the right direction - and, of course, it may not do that.

I have no idea which way we'll go. I'd like us to focus more on the future rather than try to make the playoffs but I don't know what they'll do. I figure even with Goran's announcement that there's a better than 50/50 shot he'll still be here at the end of the season. And I'm not entirely convinced he won't be here next season too. If Goran stays they may not feel comfortable abandoning the playoff hunt just yet. I could see them moving a few pieces in the hopes of adding some front court help. But I don't see us moving into contention in the near future either.

Steve

 

[Phrazbit]

He appreciated when the Suns re-signed him to run the offense after Nash was gone.

What he didn't appreciate was being bumped, not once but twice.

Would you?

Which is why I oppose the BPA principle. It totally disrupts team balance and causes problems for the rest of the team. (Emphasis on the word "team".)

Ironic that you're using this argument to defend the guy who has made it 100% clear he cares far more about his own stats than the team's success.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Talent is more than strength, quickness and leaping ability. It also encompasses skills such as dribbling, passing, awareness and shooting. Shooting is BY FAR more important than anything else. Goran Dragic is much, much more talented than Eric Bledsoe.

If shooting is by far more important, and Dragic much, much more talented, than why can't Goran embrace the shooting roll the Suns have asked him to play this season?


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[RON_IN_OC]

Bumped? Is he a starter? Did they cut his pay? No, they asked him to play team basketball and be a member of a team. Instead, he chose to whine to the media and complain. He chose to call them liars. He chose to put himself above the team.

You're complaining about the Suns supposedly hurting the team by not making decisions based on one players selfish demands. Do you not see the contradiction? It's been a little over a half a season. The Front office has repeatedly said they are collecting assets looking for a major trade. Those don't come along often and it's only been a half a year since they signed Thomas. He was clearly signed as an asset. A good player on a low reasonable contract. These ridiculous claims that Dragic was slighted, screwed, or whatever are just stupid. The whole reason he's in line for a big payday is due to the Suns. But, you think it's ok for him to act as he is because he has hurt feelings because the team didn't put his prima donna attitude above the teams. Yeah, ok.

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[WildBB]

If shooting is by far more important, and Dragic much, much more talented, than why can't Goran embrace the shooting roll the Suns have asked him to play this season?


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He wants to create with the ball in his hands. He was able to do that last season and that's the role he feels he's good at. This team needs a true #2 on both ends of the floor.

 

[FArting]

I blame McDonough for this mess.

I also don't like Babby. Dbacks did the exact same thing they hired Jeff Moorad who used to be a agent. He was in a top position. Now the Dbacks are a mess.

 

[FArting]

What we are missing is effort and lack of execution.

We have to play the full 48 minutes.

 

[AzStevenCal]

What we are missing is effort and lack of execution.

We have to play the full 48 minutes.

We have the kind of problems you might expect from the 3rd or 4th youngest team in the league. When Len was healthy we had enough talent to survive some of those youthful mistakes but lately it's been a real challenge. And just because they are youthful mistakes, there's no guarantee that they will simply grow out of them.

I'm sure there are more problems but these come to mind. They need to communicate on D, they need to move without the ball, they need to value each possession, they need to zip the ball along to the next man instead of trying a couple of moves to see if they can get the defender to make a mistake, they need to manage end of quarter and end of game situations better, they need to make smarter passes especially on the perimeter and on inbounds plays, they need to block out more often and they need to bust their butt getting back on D. They also need to learn how and when to talk to the refs and failing that, they need to just shut up.

Most of our problems could be fixable in fairly short order if it weren't for the chemistry issues. I know a lot of people want to lay most of that on Thomas but I really doubt he's to blame. I think the almost complete lack of leadership (amongst the players) has as much to do with the poor chemistry as anything does.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

But according to a league official, not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, "no deal appears likely" between the Lakers and Suns for Dragic.

The Lakers are eager to maintain the top-five 2015 protected draft pick they owe the Suns for the Steve Nash trade and the Lakers are hesitant to trade rookie point guard Jordan Clarkson, two NBA officials said. The Lakers also have Houston's first-round draft pick for the Jeremy Lin deal, but that won't be a high draft choice.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la ... story.html

Unbelievable. The Suns want yet another point guard (Jordan Clarkson)?

Wow.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Unbelievable. The Suns want yet another point guard (Jordan Clarkson)?

Wow.

Probably not, there was also word that they were looking at involving another team. Clarkson is one of the few players they have that might draw something decent in return. At least, that's my guess.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Probably not, there was also word that they were looking at involving another team. Clarkson is one of the few players they have that might draw something decent in return. At least, that's my guess.

Steve

I don't want a PG coming to Phoenix unless his name is Curry or Westbrook.

 

[KloD]

Unbelievable. The Suns want yet another point guard (Jordan Clarkson)?

Wow.

What's unbelievable is your pattern of posting every comment on the internet related to the Suns and consistently misrepresenting what is written or said to criticize the front office. This article doesn't claim the Suns have spoke to the Lakers, let alone that they want Clarkson in a trade. Give it a rest.

 

[sunsfan88]

What's unbelievable is your pattern of posting every comment on the internet related to the Suns and consistently misrepresenting what is written or said to criticize the front office. This article doesn't claim the Suns have spoke to the Lakers, let alone that they want Clarkson in a trade. Give it a rest.

I'm basing it off speculation that their interested in acquiring Clarkson, why else would the Lakers being hesitant to trade Clarkson be relevant to a section talking about the Suns trading Dragic?

 

[sunsfan88]

This is a great podcast for those who are interesting in knowing what happened behind the scenes to light this fire under Dragic. It includes conversation from current ESPN media member and former Suns FO member Amin and also the media person that's closest to the Suns in Paul Coro.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...t-2-18-15-goran-dragic-the-trade-deadline-and

Its a must listen if you want to understand how this happened from two objective people who are credible (due to their relationship with the team) in talking about the Suns and Dragic.

 

[slinslin]

You should look up the word "objective" in a dictionary.

 

[sunsfan88]

I know what objectve means. Both Coro and Amin have good relationships with Dragic and the Suns, so yea their not gonna be very biased imo.

But idk maybe objective has a different definition in Germany?

 

[marios13]

You should look up the word "objective" in a dictionary.

This coming from Slinky is the ultimate irony ...

 

[marios13]

I will try something "objective" now :

Last year Bledsoe wanted a max contract after missing half a season where Dragic was the only decent PG on the roster. Len was terrible last season, Plumlee out of gas in the 2nd half and yet Suns managed to keep the pace to be in the playoffs till the last 3 games.

Bledsoe came into the summer with 2 words "MAX CONTRACT"
I don't remember hearing any other team offering him anything close what Suns gave him at the end.

So after such a season Dragic comes back and is moved to play of the ball out of position. It's his player option FA year and he is stuck somewhere where he is not comfortable. It would have been better if he was the backup PG in my opinion or if Jeff made them start every other game differently.

But no Bledsoe is the PG Dragic SG as starters.
We can all agree the team has a lot more potential to reach than it did last year concerning the quality of the players.

The other teams see Dragic being misused and are starting to approach him early since they all know its his POFA year. He is unhappy and getting public offers from other teams. The only leverage he has with the FO is saying he will not resign with them if they don't change stuff and they ignore him.

So what he is left is an empty threat if he doesn't follow trough.
And here we have **** hitting the fan.

Is Dragic worth 20 mil to Suns probably not. Is he worth somewhere in the middle between 14-20 mil so 17 mil I would say yes, but not with the current setup and mentality.

Is Dragic worth 20 mil to some other team ... probably, because he is one of the few available PG of his quality while the Suns have Bledsoe and IT.

It's not Gorans fault this all became public. It had to become public because the FO ignored him and he was forced to use his only leverage and spoke to the media about testing FA. They ignored him until the trade deadline started while other teams started making moves. Now we are where we are ...

The FO are trying to make the best of it and Dragic is trying to make the best of it.
Bledsoe had no options as far as I know and got a 70 mil deal and we all knew he would be number one PG if he did resign while Goran has a lot of options coming of a 7.5 mil contract to a more lucrative deal from a 3rd fiddle position.

I don't get why people are surprised when most of you would do the same if not worse.
Can honestly someone say he would not use his player option if he were in his position ?
Can honestly someone say he wouldn't try to use his FA option as a leverage if he were stuck like he was ?

Regarding who of them is a better all around player Bledsoe or Dragic I have no clue.
But Bledsoe is 25 years old and he got 14 mil per year.
He will get 24+ mil for sure when he is 29 if he plays at the same level as Goran does now.

It's basically Gorans last payday so get of your high horse.

 

[sunsfan88]

I will try something "objective" now :

Last year Bledsoe wanted a max contract after missing half a season where Dragic was the only decent PG on the roster. Len was terrible last season, Plumlee out of gas in the 2nd half and yet Suns managed to keep the pace to be in the playoffs till the last 3 games.

Bledsoe came into the summer with 2 words "MAX CONTRACT"
I don't remember hearing any other team offering him anything close what Suns gave him at the end.

So after such a season Dragic comes back and is moved to play of the ball out of position. It's his player option FA year and he is stuck somewhere where he is not comfortable. It would have been better if he was the backup PG in my opinion or if Jeff made them start every other game differently.

But no Bledsoe is the PG Dragic SG as starters.
We can all agree the team has a lot more potential to reach than it did last year concerning the quality of the players.

The other teams see Dragic being misused and are starting to approach him early since they all know its his POFA year. He is unhappy and getting public offers from other teams. The only leverage he has with the FO is saying he will not resign with them if they don't change stuff and they ignore him.

So what he is left is an empty threat if he doesn't follow trough.
And here we have **** hitting the fan.

Is Dragic worth 20 mil to Suns probably not. Is he worth somewhere in the middle between 14-20 mil so 17 mil I would say yes, but not with the current setup and mentality.

Is Dragic worth 20 mil to some other team ... probably, because he is one of the few available PG of his quality while the Suns have Bledsoe and IT.

It's not Gorans fault this all became public. It had to become public because the FO ignored him and he was forced to use his only leverage and spoke to the media about testing FA. They ignored him until the trade deadline started while other teams started making moves. Now we are where we are ...

The FO are trying to make the best of it and Dragic is trying to make the best of it.
Bledsoe had no options as far as I know and got a 70 mil deal and we all knew he would be number one PG if he did resign while Goran has a lot of options coming of a 7.5 mil contract to a more lucrative deal from a 3rd fiddle position.

I don't get why people are surprised when most of you would do the same if not worse.
Can honestly someone say he would not use his player option if he were in his position ?
Can honestly someone say he wouldn't try to use his FA option as a leverage if he were stuck like he was ?

Regarding who of them is a better all around player Bledsoe or Dragic I have no clue.
But Bledsoe is 25 years old and he got 14 mil per year.
He will get 24+ mil for sure when he is 29 if he plays at the same level as Goran does now.

It's basically Gorans last payday so get of your high horse.

Your right and this made me think...if the roles were reversed and Bledsoe was the one that's on an expiring contract, would the market still be as high or higher for Bledsoe?

 

[marios13]

In my opinion the big difference is Bledsoe knew he would be the No. 1 player if he signed and Goran is pretty sure things will stay the same from the reaction he got when he pressured the FO.

 

[Mainstreet]

Unbelievable. The Suns want yet another point guard (Jordan Clarkson)?

Wow.

Jordan Clarkson looks to be a talent. He could always be traded this summer depending upon who the Suns plan to keep. I don't think IT has a long shelf life. Certainly the Suns have too many PG type players but if Dragic leaves before the trade deadline, the Suns need talent in return regardless of position.

 

[Ronin]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 33m33 minutes ago

League execs say angered Suns owner Rob Sarver refusing to accommodate Dragic's trade request. Bluff or real? We'll know is less than 8 hrs

 

[95pro]

Sarver will try to keep him and will probably over pay.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 33m33 minutes ago

Good...They should call his bluff.

 

[Mainstreet]

Good...They should call his bluff.

If the Suns do not get a decent trade offer for Dragic, I think Sarver keeps him.

This would make the second half of the season most interesting.