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Typically I have no issues at all with players ring chasing especially if they in their 30's and are looking at the downside of the hill. When is the last time a 27 year old super star left his own team to join one of the best teams in the league? The LeBron situation was a tad different in that they were trying to field a super team vs Durant who is joining an existing team that has been to the finals 2 years running.

I kind of see the logic in chasing the ring while your young and can have a huge hand in it. Then go wherever you want to play out the rest of your days being the man on a team. The alternative is wait until you have one leg out of the league and just pray that you can go along for the ride before you exit.

I think this one is just hard for fans to stomach when parity is good for the league and we don't want a predictable outcome to the season. It's not like OK didn't have a shot with him or wasn't close.
 

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Typically I have no issues at all with players ring chasing especially if they in their 30's and are looking at the downside of the hill. When is the last time a 27 year old super star left his own team to join one of the best teams in the league? The LeBron situation was a tad different in that they were trying to field a super team vs Durant who is joining an existing team that has been to the finals 2 years running.

I kind of see the logic in chasing the ring while your young and can have a huge hand in it. Then go wherever you want to play out the rest of your days being the man on a team. The alternative is wait until you have one leg out of the league and just pray that you can go along for the ride before you exit.

I think this one is just hard for fans to stomach when parity is good for the league and we don't want a predictable outcome to the season. It's not like OK didn't have a shot with him or wasn't close.


IF Durant had only been in the league 4 or 5 years I would agree wtih that. He's already played 9 seasons. Yes he's 27 but he's a longtime NBA veteran.

As for OKC I think Windhorst (oddly since he's a Cleveland guy) put it well he said anybody that follows the NBA knows that Durant and Westbrook's entire outlook on OKC changed when they traded Harden for financial concerns. Even though in a sense both of them helped make it happen with their own contracts being large, it was an eye opener for them both that even though the franchise left Seattle for greener pastures, they still weren't on a level playing field with other NBA franchises. There was a show over the weekend can't remember if it was ESPN or NBA tv about Harden where he said that whole thing was the saddest time of his life, he didn't want to leave, strongly considered taking less money to stay but in the end taking 4 years 55 when Houston was going to give him 5 years 80 after the trade just didn't make sense to him. Harden got publicly bashed for being greedy, wanting more money, wanting to be a starter etc and to an extent that was all true, but to Durant and Westbrook it simply meant there was a limit to how far OKC was willing to go to win.

I'm not sure Durant is being totally forthcoming I think for one thing he's not speaking up about Westbrook. When people ask him if wanting to play in a more free flowing offense is code for Westbrook is a ball hog he either doesn't answer or says that had nothing to do with it. I don't think you can complain OKC doesn't move the ball enough without conceding that a large part of that is Westbrook is the PG and he doesn't move the ball. As the articles say OKC is last in the nBA in hockey assists, the Warriors are first, and Westbrook's style of play is a large reason why. Durant also is now claiming he never had a discussion with Westbrook about what Westbrook was going to do. I suppose that might be true but it's counter to what people have been saying for months now, that Westbrook had already told Durant he intended to leave OKC for either the Clips or Lakers when he's a FA. Maybe that's all conjecture and Westbrook hadn't made up his mind but the way Durant avoids those questions makes you suspect he's not telling the truth.
 

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I believe the speculation that Durant jumped ship because Westbrook being in a contract year may up his selfishness to maximize his contract offers and will bolt to LAL. Durant didn't want to be left in that situation where OKC will be looking for pieces to build around him again. Now he goes to the most loaded team in the NBA and most player friendly as they play unselfish and in a video game highlight type of offense. He should win at least 1 title in GS.
 

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I believe the speculation that Durant jumped ship because Westbrook being in a contract year may up his selfishness to maximize his contract offers and will bolt to LAL. Durant didn't want to be left in that situation where OKC will be looking for pieces to build around him again. Now he goes to the most loaded team in the NBA and most player friendly as they play unselfish and in a video game highlight type of offense. He should win at least 1 title in GS.


If he doesn't win at least 1 title the criticism he will get will FAR exceed what he's getting now.
 

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Man this makes durant look even worse imo. He was afraid of someone saying something? Sheesh.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17109420/nba-why-kevin-durant-stayed-bed-big-decision

After reading this quote (from the link above), it makes Durant sound fragile, like he doesn't want to carry the load associated with being a key star for a contending team. Maybe he wants to lighten the load by going to the Warriors who will have more stars or where the focus will be more divergent.

Sadly, I don't think this is new to a new generation of stars. Durant is not alone.

"For a few days after, I didn't leave my bed, because I was like, 'If I walk outside somebody might just hit me with their car, or say anything negative to me.' Like I said, I never had this reputation, and so many people who don't even watch basketball are telling me congratulations and good luck going forward. It's crazy how big I got and how big this got ...
 

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Aside from staying put or going home to Washington, I just don’t see what team Durant “should” have gone to. Sure you can go to a team that’s never won and be the man to bring a championship, but do you waste the rest of your prime on a roster in development if you have no sentimental tie to the city?

I don’t necessarily see why he should have gone to Boston, Miami, or San Antonio over Golden State. The Clippers are the team he met with that could offer him the most “legacy” if he wanted it, but they’re dysfunctional. And if he’s tired of Westbrook’s ball-hogging, is Chris Paul the answer? Would you rather be coached by Kerr or Doc?

Anyway, it’ll probably work out for him as he pads his resume in GS before going back to Seattle with much fanfare when they get a team...
 

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Aside from staying put or going home to Washington, I just don’t see what team Durant “should” have gone to. Sure you can go to a team that’s never won and be the man to bring a championship, but do you waste the rest of your prime on a roster in development if you have no sentimental tie to the city?

I don’t necessarily see why he should have gone to Boston, Miami, or San Antonio over Golden State. The Clippers are the team he met with that could offer him the most “legacy” if he wanted it, but they’re dysfunctional. And if he’s tired of Westbrook’s ball-hogging, is Chris Paul the answer? Would you rather be coached by Kerr or Doc?

Anyway, it’ll probably work out for him as he pads his resume in GS before going back to Seattle with much fanfare when they get a team...


I actually can see a scenario where Steph Curry in a few years, leaves the Warriors for Charlotte and Durant is "the man". I guess we'll see, it's well known Curry has been recruiting Durant to the Warriors for awhile now. And in the Bay Area we're being told that durant made it perfectly clear to the Warriors he fully intends to sign another contract with them he plans on staying with the Warriors he's not seeing this as a short term move. He has said multiple times in the past he wanted OKC to play like the Warriors do, and he wanted them to hire a coach more like Steve Kerr.

But you just never know, it could work out great, it could be a disaster. he might cause ego issues for Draymond Green. They might really miss Bogut. The big concern I see as a Warrior fan is the possibility the bench really drops off quickly. They lost Barbosa and Speights. Iggy had health issues last year both his legs and his back, Livingston was iffy after the Portland series because he played so much with Curry out that his knee and his back were a problem. West is old. So you have this situation where on paper the bench looks very good but in theory could significantly fall off from last year due to age or injury.

I suspect the Warriors will be really good next season, Western Conference favorites good, but it won't stun me if they win less games in the regular season as they get used to playing with Durant and figure that rotation out.
 

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I suspect the Warriors will be really good next season, Western Conference favorites good, but it won't stun me if they win less games in the regular season as they get used to playing with Durant and figure that rotation out.

I won't be surprised if they win less games either. To win as many as they did last year was catching lightning in a bottle. But that squad should still be expecting 65+ wins barring catastrophic injuries. And they are the hands down favorite to not only win the western conference, but have to be the prohibitive favorites to win the NBA.
 

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I particularly enjoy the narrative that somehow KD was this great teammate and he was always willing to share the ball while Westbrook was the ballhog who was always responsible for the disjointed offense. KD was just as culpable in the OKC ball-stopping offense and ill-timed hero shots. There's a perception that Russ was more out of control but his game as a whole is chaotic. Durant's isolation fadeaways are just as selfish as Russ barreling to the rim.
Time will tell if he can break that habit, it won't be easy. Also wondering if long-term Draymond and others are going to be as engaged on the boards and on D while taking six or seven less shots per game.
 

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I particularly enjoy the narrative that somehow KD was this great teammate and he was always willing to share the ball while Westbrook was the ballhog who was always responsible for the disjointed offense. KD was just as culpable in the OKC ball-stopping offense and ill-timed hero shots. There's a perception that Russ was more out of control but his game as a whole is chaotic. Durant's isolation fadeaways are just as selfish as Russ barreling to the rim.
Time will tell if he can break that habit, it won't be easy. Also wondering if long-term Draymond and others are going to be as engaged on the boards and on D while taking six or seven less shots per game.


Obviously as a UCLA fan I've seen Westbrook a ton and I'm a big fan of his but his game has fundamentally changed as he's gotten older and better.

The thing is that game against memphis in the Final 4 is sort of what intrigued NBA scouts, he had great workouts and the NBA loved him and he shot up the board. he wasn't on their radar even 2 months earlier, he had already informed UCLA he was coming back until that memphis game.

he's a great player but he's following a fairly common road where the better he gets on offense, the worse he gets on defense. I watched Sprewell do that with the Warriors and other teams, he's not THAT bad yet but he's become a guy that goes for steals on defense now for all the hype the Warriors shot well over 50% against him in that series, and he was the guy guarding Klay during that epic game 6 comeback and several of those shots were the direct result of him going for a steal and missing.

On offense I'm not sure who to compare him to, he has a bit of Marbury in him I guess. You look at the raw stats and say how you a guy put up 23.5 and 10.4 assists and be a selfish player? But like Marbury he is one of those guys who pounds the ball. It only stops if he shoots, turns it over or decides he has someone wide open to pass to. One of the guys on Warriors World kept a running stat during the Western finals on how often Westbrook passes the ball with 5 seconds or less on the shot clock, it was stunning how much it was. What that does to an offense is puts the guy who catches the ball in the position of having to shoot and often not having enough time to get a good shot. In that series, that guy was Kevin Durant more than 40% of the time. It was funny because the guy keeping the stat hates Durant, is furious the Warriors got him, but even he pointed out how obvious it was that so many of Durant's bad shots are the result of isolation sets where Westbrook gives him the ball wtih 4 seconds left and says ok you shoot.

I think Westbrook next year is going to have epic stats, 28PPG, 10 APG, he's going to approach an all time usage rate too.

again great player but he has never learned the value of if you don't have something move the ball. That's the basis of the Warriors offense. it remains to be seen if Durant fits that system or not, but I think he unquestionably fits it better than Westbrook would. Durant in general takes good shots, he's over 50% his last 4 years and was .496 the year before that. Westbrooks career best was .457. This past year he really improved, on UCLA boards we were all talking about what a good job Donovan was doing coaching Westbrook after Scott Brooks pathetic offense. But then the playoffs against the Warriors rolled around and Westbrook reverted to Brooks Ball. We'll see if Donovan can continue to get him to work on moving the ball next year, it's something Donovan openly talks about trying to get his team to pass the ball more. They are last in the NBA in hockey assists for a good reason, they don't pass the ball. Obviously Durant was guilty of that too, but over 50%, 8 RPG and 5 APG for a near 7 foot 2/3 he's doing something right.
 

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he can and probably will but he's told the Warriors he fully intends to sign a long term deal. By opting out he can sign a bigger deal next year.
I'm saying if they don't win the title and the year goes like CLE's 2015 year where Irving, James & Love struggled to gel, maybe he goes somewhere else. Remember Curry is a FA next year, chances are he stays in GS but if they lose again, particularly to CLE....who knows.
 

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I'm saying if they don't win the title and the year goes like CLE's 2015 year where Irving, James & Love struggled to gel, maybe he goes somewhere else. Remember Curry is a FA next year, chances are he stays in GS but if they lose again, particularly to CLE....who knows.

Oh yeah again i think at some point Curry to Charlotte is a real possibility to play where his family is.

I am just saying so far Durant has told the Warriors he came here to stay here not to be a one and done.
 

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