Eagles Asking "King's Ransom" For Nick Foles

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Watching the local news last night and they said that the Eagles had been contacted by several teams about acquiring Nick Foles but according to reports, they want more for Foles than they got for Bradford and if that's the case, they can keep him. This is telling me one of 2 things; either they don't want to move him as of yet(Wentz's status is up in the year as ACL recovery can be tricky) and they're asking for the moon to dissuade suitors or they're throwing stuff up the flagpole to see if anyone salutes. My guess it's both but regardless, they got a 1st round and 4th round for Bradford so if they want more for a backup who got hot at the right moment, they're either drunk or think other teams are that desperate.
 

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I think they don't really want to move him. Wentz is going to be very questionable for next year. Foles is a great insurance policy, and given their cap situation, their championship window might slam shut relatively soon. It's best for them to keep their foot on the gas and go for a repeat.
 

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I think they don't really want to move him. Wentz is going to be very questionable for next year. Foles is a great insurance policy, and given their cap situation, their championship window might slam shut relatively soon. It's best for them to keep their foot on the gas and go for a repeat.


That is what I would do. Yeah, you might be able to get some future assets, but trading him (and Wentz missing the first month) and losing a couple of games could be the difference between home field or wild-card.
 
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I think they don't really want to move him. Wentz is going to be very questionable for next year. Foles is a great insurance policy, and given their cap situation, their championship window might slam shut relatively soon. It's best for them to keep their foot on the gas and go for a repeat.
That's my feeling and I'm not going by what Minny gave up for Bradford because they were both desperate and stupid(even more so with offering Cousins $30 mil a year) but the Eagles are just testing the waters because if someone does offer what they're asking, they're probably going to take it.
 

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They can overplay their hand all they want, the only way the get what they want is if a contender, or a team that perceives themselves as a contender--has their starter go down to injury and a gets desperate like the Vikings a couple of years ago.

They lose Foles for nada after next season, so they aren't currently in the driver's seat as much as they think they are. But, it only takes one sucker (hopefully, not the Cardinals).
 

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I think they don't really want to move him. Wentz is going to be very questionable for next year. Foles is a great insurance policy, and given their cap situation, their championship window might slam shut relatively soon. It's best for them to keep their foot on the gas and go for a repeat.
This was not Wentz' first knee injury. His style of play and refusal to change sets him up for another. Foles may be more than an insurance policy.
 
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Remember, the Eagles don't have a lot of options to fall back on if they trade Foles because Chase Daniels isn't anyone's answer. He's Barkley only worse.
 

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Remember, the Eagles don't have a lot of options to fall back on if they trade Foles because Chase Daniels isn't anyone's answer. He's Barkley only worse.

Which is why they'd be foolish to trade Foles.
 

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I'd be happy with Foles but not at that price. If Wentz is healthy they'll deal Foles at the deadline.
 

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Remember, the Eagles don't have a lot of options to fall back on if they trade Foles because Chase Daniels isn't anyone's answer. He's Barkley only worse.

Not disagreeing but seems like they like Sudfeld. Not sure if the kid can play but he's certainly in the right system and being coached by the right people.
 

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I think they don't really want to move him. Wentz is going to be very questionable for next year. Foles is a great insurance policy, and given their cap situation, their championship window might slam shut relatively soon. It's best for them to keep their foot on the gas and go for a repeat.

Disagree. He is a free agent after next year, and there is zero chance he will stay, and likely he will not even play a down next year. They would be dumb not to trade him now as his value is as high as it will ever get.

I think they are just starting the bidding high, because there is some time still and if you know what you are doing you always start negotiating high to get the highest price you can.
 

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If there were no doubts that he could step in and make our team an immediate contender a 1st and a 4th would seem cheap.
 

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Disagree. He is a free agent after next year, and there is zero chance he will stay, and likely he will not even play a down next year. They would be dumb not to trade him now as his value is as high as it will ever get.

I think they are just starting the bidding high, because there is some time still and if you know what you are doing you always start negotiating high to get the highest price you can.
Exactly! His price tag will never be as high as it is right now after “out-dueling” Tom Brady and winning the super bowl MVP. His best 2 games of his career just happened and his value is way up. If they don’t trade him this offseason, they will have shot themselves in the foot trying to outsmart everyone. They will lose him next offseason and get nothing in return. As the draft gets closer I’m sure they will trade Foles for a 2nd or a 3rd.
 

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This is what they should do. Hope some team is freaking crazy enough to give you everything you want but if not, be OK with staying where you are at.
 

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They will get a first with no problem. Anybody that watched Foles through the playoffs and Super Bowl will want him on their team. He played like he was Tom Brady himself. I would not have a problem giving up our 1st round pick for him. To me he proved himself on the biggest stage. Put a good team around him and he's a winner.
 

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Watching the local news last night and they said that the Eagles had been contacted by several teams about acquiring Nick Foles but according to reports, they want more for Foles than they got for Bradford and if that's the case, they can keep him. This is telling me one of 2 things; either they don't want to move him as of yet(Wentz's status is up in the year as ACL recovery can be tricky) and they're asking for the moon to dissuade suitors or they're throwing stuff up the flagpole to see if anyone salutes. My guess it's both but regardless, they got a 1st round and 4th round for Bradford so if they want more for a backup who got hot at the right moment, they're either drunk or think other teams are that desperate.

Yeah it's way too much for a guy who I like and wanted to sign last year. He still is no sure thing and a risk.

If you trade that much for someone, you basically have to sign him to a new deal, thus removing the 'he's at a low salary' argument/advantage. If you trade a 3rd or 4th, you can legitimately roll the dice to make sure he is the guy. This for us would be a good thing which would then allow us to make other moves to better the team.

Also the terms of the trade was a 1st and a 4th, that could of gone up to a 3rd or 2nd based on whatever metric it was. So when they say 'at least', it could be at a structure of at least a 1st and a 2nd/3rd/4th.

Eagles also have the worst cap situation of any team for 2018, so although it wouldn't save them much, every cap dollar counts. In their situation it might be the difference between keeping some other guy that actually plays while getting a pick for a guy who may contribute next year as well.

They also only have him under contract for this year, due to the voidable nature of the deal. They can't string this along. It's now or never in terms of a trade. True they might find someone desperate right before the season, but that's just not very likely.

They also risk him going out there and sucking with last season's QB coach and OC now gone to Minny and Indy. Any 2020 compensatory pick would be much lower, and is still years away.

At their price I'd rather roll the dice with a rookie QB and a couple of the retreads in free agnecy.

Also when they point that out do they realize that it didn't work out so well for the Vikings? They didn't make the playoffs in 2016. They went to the NFL championship game in 2017, and Bradford wasn't the QB. So the last deal didn't really work out for the Vikings.

One could almost make the argument that the trade hurt their chances in 2017 because they didn't have that pick, which for the Eagles, who they lost to, was Derek Barnett. Barnett had 5 sacks as a rookie, and one additional one in the playoffs, which happened, against the Vikings. It was a valuable pick, as the selection after that was Malik Hooker at #15. It might not have been the difference maker, but overall they turned that trade into Barnett and another trade for Ajayi. Ajayi had 73 yds rushing and 26 more receiving in the game. So the Eagles got 99 yds of offense and 1 sack on defense for a guy who didn't even play in the game.

They can do whatever they want. Ask for whatever they want. But if they're interested in trading him, they are either setting the market way high to get a higher middle ground or are delusional. I don't think they're delusional. Just they want a higher middle ground to make a deal or keep him for insurance.

An interesting point was it was reported they want to talk to Foles about his situation, which means he could kink the situation up a bit if he wanted to. I don't think he will though. They gave him a chance and he's resurrected his career. For that they'll likely consider his input on where to go as long as he doesn't create waves.
 

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Disagree. He is a free agent after next year, and there is zero chance he will stay, and likely he will not even play a down next year. They would be dumb not to trade him now as his value is as high as it will ever get.

I think they are just starting the bidding high, because there is some time still and if you know what you are doing you always start negotiating high to get the highest price you can.
This.

They can ask for the moon but won't get it and they'll end up with nothing when he walks away in free agency. I suspect we'll see the same scenario as with Jimmy G. They won't get any takers at that price and then deal him for a 2nd, or lower, come trade deadline time.
 

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Disagree. He is a free agent after next year, and there is zero chance he will stay, and likely he will not even play a down next year. They would be dumb not to trade him now as his value is as high as it will ever get.

I think they are just starting the bidding high, because there is some time still and if you know what you are doing you always start negotiating high to get the highest price you can.

Someone else in this thread said it, not me, but it's better to keep Foles and win the first four games of your season on the way to home field advantage, than it is to trust Wentz to be at full strength in week 1. Trading him away for a second rounder (or whatever) as you get close to a significant cap situation seems shortsighted compared to trying for another Super Bowl in the here and the now.
 
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This.

They can ask for the moon but won't get it and they'll end up with nothing when he walks away in free agency. I suspect we'll see the same scenario as with Jimmy G. They won't get any takers at that price and then deal him for a 2nd, or lower, come trade deadline time.
Which is why I don't think they're serious about trading him.
 

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I think Foles is worth it to the Cards - I mean he just won the SB against the Patriots! and we have no QB! And we probably wont get a better QBOF at our 15 draft position. Looked pretty damn good to me in the playoffs- better than paying Cousins Grap money.

seems teams gave up 2- 1st round picks for a chance at a franchise
qb twice not long ago. browns and Rams got 2- 1st round picks for their high picks, right?

healthy SB winning QB- yea I give a 1st and a 4th.
 
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I think Foles is worth it to the Cards - I mean he just won the SB against the Patriots! and we have no QB! And we probably wont get a better QBOF at our 15 draft position. Looked pretty damn good to me in the playoffs- better than paying Cousins Grap money.

seems teams gave up 2- 1st round picks for a chance at a franchise
qb twice not long ago. browns and Rams got 2- 1st round picks for their high picks, right?

healthy SB winning QB- yea I give a 1st and a 4th.
Nope, he is worth at worst a late 2nd rounder, he has a deal that you have to do instant and he didn't play well expect for 2 games in the playoffs, that happend to be the NFC championship game and the SB.

Can he be good? Yes he can. But the question still is, which Foles do you get, the guy of the last two games or the guy of the 5 or 6 other games. If you get the second yes he is worth more, if you get the later ... you crippled your franchise even worse than trading for Kolb.

Foles deal would be okay if you trade a conditional 4th that can ad a 2nd or so. but tha would it be. And the longer the Eagles wait his value will drop further. When everyone has his QB no one will trade for him and the eagles are still in cap hell.
 

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I don't know about you guys but I really like not having a quarterback going into the season. It is really thinking outside the box. :)
 

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