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A win, is a win, is a win etc.-----except that this one was very special for a number of reasons.

Reason number one-----After CKW selected John Skelton as the starting QB for the team this season, my son, NOOCH, and I were discussing the choice by Whiz. I felt that Skelton had won the job, and that he should have been selected after the third pre-season game so that he could get more reps with the ones during the remainder of pre-season. My son replied that if Kolb had been selected, the pressure for him to play well would have been so enourmous, that it would be tantamount to playing in a pressure cooker. He said that, once Skelton had been named starter, all the pressure would be released from Kolb, and that if he was needed to replace an injured Skelton, he would be able to play relatively free of that pressure. He was so very right with that call, as the results of the game show.

Reason number two_____Granted, no one believed that the call would come in the very first game, as Skelton's size, strength, toughness and athleticism would serve him well as the early starter. But after a first half in which SKelton rallied his charges to recover from an early turnover, to go on two time consuming scoring drives and a lead, Skelton suddenly settled into a sort of malaise. Things seemed to slow down with his thought process and his actions, to the point where Seattle's defense could time his every move, and they began to bat down passes that he had been able to get away more quickly earllier in the game. It was like watching a plow-boy on a lazy summer day, who was plodding along behind a mule team in a foggy haze, hardly noticing that they were even moving. Everything became slow and deliberate, and he unfortunately did not come out of it until the very play wherein he was injured. On that play, his setup was once again quick, and the pass came out quick just like the first half. Unfortunately, he took the hit that hurt him after he released the ball. Meanwhile, he had gone three and out for the entire third quarter.

Reason number three-----Enter Kevin Kolb, (to a chorus of boos), from his own Cardinals fans. Not all booed to be sure, but there were enough of them that it turned my stomach, for Kolb had done absolutely nothing to warrant such treatment from supposed supporters. What the hell were those of you who booed him thinking? Talk about kicking a guy while he was down. I hope those of you who did so, have a belly full of shame for that. Maybe you will be reluctant to do so in the future. His performance hardly called for that kind of treatment. He quickly rallied the troops and set the offense about going on a scoring drive, and he did it quickly and efficiently. He got the momentum back away from Seattle, and not only won over the offense, but the entire team and most of the stadium attendees. His play was almost flawless, and it inspired the defense as well as the offense. He put this team on his back and carried it, (willed it), to a win against a division foe on opening day at home. Just as NOOCH had said, he played like all the pressure was gone.

Reason number four-----Russ Grimm had the O-line playing pretty darned well from the get-go. Not so much the run blocking, but the pass protection was decent for both Skelton and Kolb, save for the malaise that was the third period. The O'line had few penalties for false starts, and holding this game. Not bad for a first game situation. Seattle had a much tougher time pass blocking than we did, though they sprung Marshawn Lynch with some regularity. All in all, the Card's O-line played well.

Reason number five-----The entire defense, rallied around the offense and flat out refused to lose this game. Both units overcame obstacles and hurdles place on them by freak plays, and momentum changes. They especailly overcame the poor officiating that we all suspected was coming. Still, that defense stood as one while playing as many down the stretch, and refused to allow Seattle to score, despite almost impossible setbacks. This was their finest hour in my estimation, and I am very grateful.

Our team, (I believe I can call them that), pulled out an improbable win over a division foe, here at home on opening day, and they did it despite many troubles that they had to negotiate. This team has grit, that surly comes from its Head Coach. No one knows yet, what may come of this season. I surely don't know, but I will say this. I seriously doubt that this team will succomb easily to ANY foe. This team has a heart and a soul and both are alive and well at this point. Injuries will heal, and as time passes we will get better, but for our first Sunday playing at home against a real opponent, I feel good about where we stand right now. We will not win out by any means, but everyone who has to face us will take note of how we finished last season, and especially how we started this one. They know that we can be beaten, but they also know that they must pay a great price to do so, because this team doesn't quit, ever.
 

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I think I'll forever call this game "The Time-Out Game"

Kolb scores what turns out to be the game winning TD pass on a play that Whiz was running onto the field trying to call a Time Out that he doesn't get....

While Seattle secures a couple extra shots at a short-field game winning end-zone pass, by calling a Time-Out that they didn't have.

Crazy Game.
 

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I thought the OL was a mixed bag. At times they played much better than I expected...other times they were exactly what I expected.

When we play a QB that isn't as mobile as Wilson the Cards are going to get a ton of sacks. Seemed like the Cards we perpetually forcing him out of the pocket with narrow escapes.
 

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Hey! Catfish...

Good to read your insights, as always. This was actually a best case scenario for Kevin Kolb. NO! I absolutely did not want the injury to "Big Red" BUT I also believed that what Kevin did Sunday was the only way for him to get back in the good graces of everyone (teammates,fans, etc.) ie; ride in and save the day.

I completely agree with your idea that the offense that was crisp and sharp in the beginning, turned to slow, plodding, and predictable in the 3rd qtr. I kept yelling at the TV...STOP RUNNING on 1st down. ...and then passing for a 2-3 yard gain on 2nd down, setting up a 3rd and 6-8. We all know that the odds turn in the D's favor when it's 3rd and 6+. But, bless their stubborn lil' hearts, they kept trying this approach the whole 3rd qtr. UGH! :(

Over-all thoughts...

1./ Kevin clearly performs better in the 2-minute drill. I'd run it 70% of the time and "gas" the other teams' D-line. Result: Less pressure.

2./ Our D is relentless and I saw several 2nd and 3rd wave tackles. Not so much because the 1st wave of attacking was sloppy but there was always somebody right behind to put another good lick on Lynch, etc. ...And it's know secret that Lynch will just not go down.

3./ Special teams cost us dearly. Is Zastudsil (sp.?) simply out-kicking the coverage or what? This needs to be fixed immediately. Short fields lead to too many points.

4./ I always believe it's crucial to win 1 of your 1st 3 games.
Sooooo, mission accomplished!

GO CARDS! :D Mark in SC :)
 

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I was very happy for Kolb but had he fumbled or threw a pick nobody would be talking about the boo birds that greeted his entry to the game.

He needs a decent performance next week to keep the good feeling going. I hope he can do it as he looked very sharp yesterday.
 

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I was very happy for Kolb but had he fumbled or threw a pick nobody would be talking about the boo birds that greeted his entry to the game.

He needs a decent performance next week to keep the good feeling going. I hope he can do it as he looked very sharp yesterday.

Lmao at first sentence. And anyone expecting much out of either QB next week really needs to rethink their expectations.
 

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I was very happy for Kolb but had he fumbled or threw a pick nobody would be talking about the boo birds that greeted his entry to the game.

He needs a decent performance next week to keep the good feeling going. I hope he can do it as he looked very sharp yesterday.

The problem is Skelton is more of a turnover machine than Kolb & he was starting :bang: I still don't get the love for #19 as the QB, but I also don't see Kolb leading us to the promised land either!
 

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Great analysis Catfish! I didn't like the boo-bird reception for Kobe either. It was totally uncalled for.
 

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I thought the OL was a mixed bag. At times they played much better than I expected...other times they were exactly what I expected.

When we play a QB that isn't as mobile as Wilson the Cards are going to get a ton of sacks. Seemed like the Cards we perpetually forcing him out of the pocket with narrow escapes.

Yeah. Once Seattle made their halftime adjustments and started bringing the blitz that Oline looked horrible. I didn't think the Oline played all that well in the second half. Seattle just showed everyone in the NFL how to come at the Cards and win. The question is do the Cards use that first round pick on a tackle or QB because they desperately need both.
 

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My take, we're in trouble. We simply don't have the talent to hang with teams like NE, Chicago, SF among others. You can't deny that. The only thing we have to play on is heart if we have any chance. But even with that, the Niners are the class of the division plain and simple. And looking at the rest of the division, a wild card spot is a huge undertaking. Chicago, GB, Detroit, Atlanta, NO, Dallas, NY are all better than we are right now. Hopefully things will start to gel but with Whiz at the helm, my confidence isn't all that high.
 

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I'm concerned, very concerned about our running game. We have a long season ahead of us and having a balanced attack is a must for us to have a winning season.
 

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Good write up!

I agree the team is gritty, and I agree with everything about Kolb being under tremendous pressure and possibly just needing something like this to reset his attitude and demeanor.

Overall I was happy with yesterday.

Our O line is simply terrible at run blocking now but was acceptable at pass blocking better than I thought.

It's tough to tell after one game what was because of your team and what was because of the other team.

Our defense was about what I expected, we're pretty solid on that.

We could of taken more advantage of the rookie QB but as much as I hate to admit it since all they could do was drool over the kid, that QB was pretty solid for a rookie start, there were a lot of dropped passes that kept us in the game.
 

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I'm concerned, very concerned about our running game. We have a long season ahead of us and having a balanced attack is a must for us to have a winning season.

I agree very little push if any, no holes, we've seen this movie before.
 
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Good to read your insights, as always. This was actually a best case scenario for Kevin Kolb. NO! I absolutely did not want the injury to "Big Red" BUT I also believed that what Kevin did Sunday was the only way for him to get back in the good graces of everyone (teammates,fans, etc.) ie; ride in and save the day.

I completely agree with your idea that the offense that was crisp and sharp in the beginning, turned to slow, plodding, and predictable in the 3rd qtr. I kept yelling at the TV...STOP RUNNING on 1st down. ...and then passing for a 2-3 yard gain on 2nd down, setting up a 3rd and 6-8. We all know that the odds turn in the D's favor when it's 3rd and 6+. But, bless their stubborn lil' hearts, they kept trying this approach the whole 3rd qtr. UGH! :(

Over-all thoughts...

1./ Kevin clearly performs better in the 2-minute drill. I'd run it 70% of the time and "gas" the other teams' D-line. Result: Less pressure.

2./ Our D is relentless and I saw several 2nd and 3rd wave tackles. Not so much because the 1st wave of attacking was sloppy but there was always somebody right behind to put another good lick on Lynch, etc. ...And it's know secret that Lynch will just not go down.

3./ Special teams cost us dearly. Is Zastudsil (sp.?) simply out-kicking the coverage or what? This needs to be fixed immediately. Short fields lead to too many points.

4./ I always believe it's crucial to win 1 of your 1st 3 games.
Sooooo, mission accomplished!

GO CARDS! :D Mark in SC :)

Mark, the problem with running the 2 minute drill all the time, is that you also exhaust your own defense by getting on and off the field too quickly, without using the clock.

The offense needs to find a way to get some rest time for the defense where we control the clock and the time of possession, or you risk having used up your defense by the 4th quarter. Getting our running game going is more important to the development of this team right now than running the 2 minute drill is.

Your observation about the punt and kick coverage is accurate. We need to do a much better job of containment as we have been weak there all pre-season and into the first game. Zastudil could help greatly with more hang time on his punts. Long, line-drives are seldom helpful.
 

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Mark, the problem with running the 2 minute drill all the time, is that you also exhaust your own defense by getting on and off the field too quickly, without using the clock.

The offense needs to find a way to get some rest time for the defense where we control the clock and the time of possession, or you risk having used up your defense by the 4th quarter. Getting our running game going is more important to the development of this team right now than running the 2 minute drill is.

Your observation about the punt and kick coverage is accurate. We need to do a much better job of containment as we have been weak there all pre-season and into the first game. Zastudil could help greatly with more hang time on his punts. Long, line-drives are seldom helpful.

People have been saying our poor offense is going to wear out our defense. It's been 10 games over parts of two seasons and it hasn't happened yet.
 

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Yeah. Once Seattle made their halftime adjustments and started bringing the blitz that Oline looked horrible. I didn't think the Oline played all that well in the second half. Seattle just showed everyone in the NFL how to come at the Cards and win. The question is do the Cards use that first round pick on a tackle or QB because they desperately need both.

It is the QB's responsibility to throw teams out of the blitz. The point is to bring more guys than the offensive line can block. It was on Skelton, not the line.
 

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So you don't agree?
I know it wasn't directed at me, but... it's not so much about how people would react about the booing (I personally would still have a problem with it. I've stated many times that I like both QBs as people. It's not like Kolb is the one that hurt Skelton. He already had an uphill fight without his own home crowd booing him), but "If..." is irrelevant. He came in, did his job, and did it well. If he got hit by a car, he couldn't play. But he didn't...
Mark, the problem with running the 2 minute drill all the time, is that you also exhaust your own defense by getting on and off the field too quickly, without using the clock.

The offense needs to find a way to get some rest time for the defense where we control the clock and the time of possession, or you risk having used up your defense by the 4th quarter. Getting our running game going is more important to the development of this team right now than running the 2 minute drill is.

Your observation about the punt and kick coverage is accurate. We need to do a much better job of containment as we have been weak there all pre-season and into the first game. Zastudil could help greatly with more hang time on his punts. Long, line-drives are seldom helpful.
what about a Peyton Manning style 2-minute? Get right back to the line and BS for a while to use more time while still not allowing the D to make substitutions
 
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what about a Peyton Manning style 2-minute? Get right back to the line and BS for a while to use more time while still not allowing the D to make substitutions

That would be fine, but-----in the entire history of the NFL only one QB has been able to pull that one off. We will not likely see another Peyton Manning in our lifetime.
 

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what about a Peyton Manning style 2-minute? Get right back to the line and BS for a while to use more time while still not allowing the D to make substitutions

This is a decent Idea it would give Kolb a chance to read the defense and make adjustments in routes and protection. Obviously I don't expect that he could run it like Peyton can, but it would suit him better than a traditional offense.
 

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That would be fine, but-----in the entire history of the NFL only one QB has been able to pull that one off. We will not likely see another Peyton Manning in our lifetime.

This is a decent Idea it would give Kolb a chance to read the defense and make adjustments in routes and protection. Obviously I don't expect that he could run it like Peyton can, but it would suit him better than a traditional offense.
this reply sums up my logic as well. Obviously I don't expect Kolb to be Peyton Manning, just thinking if that's the way he is most comfortable QBing, it may be worth a shot to see if we can find a way to use it without it resulting in us getting off the field so fast
 

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That would be fine, but-----in the entire history of the NFL only one QB has been able to pull that one off. We will not likely see another Peyton Manning in our lifetime.

Didn't Warner do it at times. The Cards would hustle to the line of scrimmage and then Kurt would take almost all of the remaining play clock before calling for the snap.
 

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It is the QB's responsibility to throw teams out of the blitz. The point is to bring more guys than the offensive line can block. It was on Skelton, not the line.

Exactly. I made the point on the game thread and yesterday. How is it that people keep saying Seattle was blitzing regularly and yet almost every ball Skelton threw in the 3rd quarter was into double coverage? It's because he was confused by their coverages and was staring down one guy, usually Larry, who was doubled even when they blitzed.

Seattle stacked the line in the first half to stop the run and then stepped up the pressure in the 2nd, Skelton had to react better. Hopefully Kolb will Sunday since I'm guessing NE does the same thing.
 

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Exactly. I made the point on the game thread and yesterday. How is it that people keep saying Seattle was blitzing regularly and yet almost every ball Skelton threw in the 3rd quarter was into double coverage? It's because he was confused by their coverages and was staring down one guy, usually Larry, who was doubled even when they blitzed.

Seattle stacked the line in the first half to stop the run and then stepped up the pressure in the 2nd, Skelton had to react better. Hopefully Kolb will Sunday since I'm guessing NE does the same thing.

I thought Skelton did a very poor job of handling Seattle's pressure in the second half. I was actually hoping Whis would insert Kolb and run the hurry-up on the drive that Skelton got hurt. Skelton kept panicking and forcing the ball to Fitz. It was unfortunate that Skelton got hurt, but if he hadn't, the Cardinals are probably 0-1 right now.
 

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