Eastern Conference Championship Hawks vs Cavaliers

[Phrazbit]

You can't even play hard or dive for a loose ball without getting labeled dirty anymore. With the constant flopping and overreaction to physical plays the NBA is becoming annoying. Hope this doesn't stop the kid from playing hard.

There is a difference between playing hard and pantomime "hustle" to allow your blatant attempts to injure the opposition to go unpunished. Watch the replay, he gets tangled up and heads towards the floor, then pushes off about as hard as he can into Horford's lower leg for no fathomable reason.

The play with Korver was a bit harder to judge, he actually did have a play on the ball in that situation, but his firehouse roll up Korver's leg seemed excessive, and considering his prior and later antics Delladova has lost the benefit of the doubt.

If he isn't suspended then I hope someone on the Hawks decides to repay all that "hustle" in the next game.

Edit: I just watched the play a few times, Horford is trying to disengage, the ball is gone and Delladova repeatedly attempts to drive his body into Horford's knee. That isn't hustle, its garbage, its not even bush league, its a level below that. IMO, outside of throwing games, nothing is worse than deliberately attempting to cause serious injuries to opposing players.

 

[95pro]

you can clearly see Delladova do a hop/lunge with both legs. that isn't a natural move, a hop/lunge to supposedly go after a ball that wasn't in the vicinity anymore.

 

[leclerc]

Dellavadova is a dirty player. You can see him pushing his body on the legs of both Hawks players. Should be ejection on him and flagrant one on Horford. The league must stop players like him causing more injuries.

 

[elindholm]

Dellavedova has done this under the national spotlight now, and fans have long memories. He will be considered a dirty player forever. I happen to believe that the label is deserved, but even if it isn't, it's now a permanent part of his reputation.

We'll see what happens if he ever tries to leave the Cavaliers. Bowen and the Spurs were stuck with each other once everyone knew what he was. I'd bet that most clubhouses in the league would be hostile to Dellavedova at this point.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Dellavedova has done this under the national spotlight now, and fans have long memories. He will be considered a dirty player forever. I happen to believe that the label is deserved, but even if it isn't, it's now a permanent part of his reputation.

We'll see what happens if he ever tries to leave the Cavaliers. Bowen and the Spurs were stuck with each other once everyone knew what he was. I'd bet that most clubhouses in the league would be hostile to Dellavedova at this point.

I kinda like it. He's becoming Danny Ainge-ish with his trolling on the court. Hated it when he was on the Celtics/Blazers, but I admit, I loved it when he was a Sun.

 

[GatorAZ]

There is a difference between playing hard and pantomime "hustle" to allow your blatant attempts to injure the opposition to go unpunished. Watch the replay, he gets tangled up and heads towards the floor, then pushes off about as hard as he can into Horford's lower leg for no fathomable reason.

The play with Korver was a bit harder to judge, he actually did have a play on the ball in that situation, but his firehouse roll up Korver's leg seemed excessive, and considering his prior and later antics Delladova has lost the benefit of the doubt.

If he isn't suspended then I hope someone on the Hawks decides to repay all that "hustle" in the next game.

Edit: I just watched the play a few times, Horford is trying to disengage, the ball is gone and Delladova repeatedly attempts to drive his body into Horford's knee. That isn't hustle, its garbage, its not even bush league, its a level below that. IMO, outside of throwing games, nothing is worse than deliberately attempting to cause serious injuries to opposing players.

Horford put him in an arm bar and dragged him to the ground. That part is more clear than anything else that happened. When a 250 pound PF locks your arm and drags you down its impossible to stop your momentum. If Delly is guilty of anything it's not being able to defy physics.

Horford's arm bar and drag down was completely premeditated.

 

[Phrazbit]

Horford put him in an arm bar and dragged him to the ground. That part is more clear than anything else that happened. When a 250 pound PF locks your arm and drags you down its impossible to stop your momentum. If Delly is guilty of anything it's not being able to defy physics.

Horford's arm bar and drag down was completely premeditated.

My eye. Yes, their arms get locked up and then Horford clearly tries to separate himself while Delladovs does nothing but lunge repeatedly into Horford's knees.

 

[GatorAZ]

My eye. Yes, their arms get locked up and then Horford clearly tries to separate himself while Delladovs does nothing but lunge repeatedly into Horford's knees.

Their arms didn't get "locked up". It was one player clamping his arm and dragging him on the ground over Carroll. Then Horford who is frustrated by being boxed out by a PG throws his hands up like he did nothing wrong after elbowing and falling on Dellavedova. The one who looks bad in all this is Horford who has smacked people in the head on fast breaks throughout his career. Again I hope this doesn't stop Dellavedova from playing all out all the time.

 

[Phrazbit]

Their arms didn't get "locked up". It was one player clamping his arm and dragging him on the ground over Carroll. Then Horford who is frustrated by being boxed out by a PG throws his hands up like he did nothing wrong after elbowing and falling on Dellavedova. The one who looks bad in all this is Horford who has smacked people in the head on fast breaks throughout his career. Again I hope this doesn't stop Dellavedova from playing all out all the time.

Their arms are no longer locked up while Dellavedova is repeatedly lunging himself into Horford's knees. Yeah, Horford did the same thing that happens every play when guys jockey for position, but what you don't see happen is one dude decide that since he might be heading to the floor he might as well attempt to blow out the other guy's knee in the process.

I hope this stops Dellavedova from playing... period. He should be suspended. This isn't an isolated incident, there was no "playing all out" when he was diving into a guy's knee off the ball or locking up a guy's leg while laying on the ground. The guy is garbage.

 

[GatorAZ]

Stop. Dellavedova isn't repeatedly going into Horford's knee. Just blatant exaggeration.

Why is Horford trying to pull him down in the first place? That's not a basketball play. Diving for a loose ball and beating the opposing player to possession is a basketball play. He's sacrificing his body for the good of his team and that's what you're taught to do. Unfortunately players can get indirectly injured in the process.

If anyone gets suspended it should be Horford for Olynk'ing Dellavedova than slamming his elbow into his neck.

 

[Phrazbit]

Stop. Dellavedova isn't repeatedly going into Horford's knee. Just blatant exaggeration.

Why is Horford trying to pull him down in the first place? That's not a basketball play. Diving for a loose ball and beating the opposing player to possession is a basketball play. He's sacrificing his body for the good of his team and that's what you're taught to do. Unfortunately players can get indirectly injured in the process.

If anyone gets suspended it should be Horford for Olynk'ing Dellavedova than slamming his elbow into his neck.

Horford was trying to box him out, their arms getting tangled happens about 50 times a game, and he hardly "Olynyk'd" him, he didn't pull on him at all. And yes, Dellavedova, after both their arms were free, made several efforts to push himself into Horford's knees. If you can't see it fine, but everyone else can.

And I might be able to excuse it as a heat of the battle type of thing if not for that this is now the third time he has done something flat out dangerous in the span of a few weeks, twice resulting him opponents retaliating because they're so stunned someone would be so blatantly dirty... and the other time the dude couldn't retaliate because he was left on the court writhing in pain.

And give me a break, look at the replay from the front:


Horford for maybe second has his outside arm on Dellavedova's upper arm, he never "locks" him up as you describe, and then Dellavedova spends his next several steps pushing all his weight into Horford's lower leg, coming very near to pinning Horford's foot while all his weight is pushing into Horford's knee. Its ridiculous.

 

[GatorAZ]

He never locks him up eh? Might wanna check the baseline angle that TNT seemed to oddly show once. He locks his shoulder and tries to drag him over Carroll who is on the ground. Teague has blatently hit people in the face these playoffs yet nobody says anything about it. Why is that?

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[Phrazbit]

That isn't locking him up, especially not in the sense that you described as being similar to Olynyk, and it does nothing to excuse the effort to injure Horford's knee.

 

[elindholm]

Teague has blatently hit people in the face these playoffs yet nobody says anything about it. Why is that?

What's your theory?

 

[Errntknght]

The first foul was Horford holding Delladova down when he jumped over him to tap the ball. Delly was certainly not making any play on the ball at any point and he was probably pissed at Horford for the hold down because he war really gunning for his legs - that was ugliest part of it but it was more simple retaliation than intent to injure, IMO.

 

[sunsfan88]

I thought this summed it up well

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[Phrazbit]

I like how a hand on the arm is an excuse to throw all his weight into the side of Horford's knee.

Horford did something that happens, literally, every play, and Dellavedova tried to blow out his knee in retaliation.

His defenders need to come up with an excuse for why this is the third time in like 7 games that he has gone after an opponents legs. The guy is dirty, it has nothing to do with being anti-Cleveland, I thought the Olynyk play was disgusting too. Guys who are out there trying to injure people don't belong in the game.

 

[Southpaw]

I thought this summed it up well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGAcFqJZs18

Liked.

 

[GatorAZ]

The Korver play was a 50/50 loose ball that one guy went 100% for and the other didn't. Of course the guy who didn't hit the floor was unfortunately left exposed.

 

[Russ Smith]

You can't even play hard or dive for a loose ball without getting labeled dirty anymore. With the constant flopping and overreaction to physical plays the NBA is becoming annoying. Hope this doesn't stop the kid from playing hard.

It's that he rolled after it. He didn't just dive he went for the legs

 

[Cheesebeef]

Horford was trying to box him out, their arms getting tangled happens about 50 times a game, and he hardly "Olynyk'd" him, he didn't pull on him at all. And yes, Dellavedova, after both their arms were free, made several efforts to push himself into Horford's knees. If you can't see it fine, but everyone else can.

And I might be able to excuse it as a heat of the battle type of thing if not for that this is now the third time he has done something flat out dangerous in the span of a few weeks, twice resulting him opponents retaliating because they're so stunned someone would be so blatantly dirty... and the other time the dude couldn't retaliate because he was left on the court writhing in pain.

And give me a break, look at the replay from the front:


Horford for maybe second has his outside arm on Dellavedova's upper arm, he never "locks" him up as you describe, and then Dellavedova spends his next several steps pushing all his weight into Horford's lower leg, coming very near to pinning Horford's foot while all his weight is pushing into Horford's knee. Its ridiculous.

wha? I didn't see ANYTHING like him going for his knee. Horford dragged him down, he lost his balance and fell backward.

 

[GatorAZ]

It's that he rolled after it. He didn't just dive he went for the legs

Rolled? You mean turned as he was about to go head first into Korver?

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[Phrazbit]

wha? I didn't see ANYTHING like him going for his knee. Horford dragged him down, he lost his balance and fell backward.

Watch Delavedova's legs. He makes several efforts to push himself into the side of Horford's knee that had nothing to do with simply falling over.

 

[Russ Smith]

Rolled? You mean turned as he was about to go head first into Korver?

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Yes he turned his body and rolled, the only reason he didn't actually roll is he made contact with Korver. Maybe he was doing it to protect his own head I don't know, but he was in fact trying to roll. the reason I point that out is that is NOT a basketball act, in fact had he rolled over with the ball, they should have called traveling although they almost never do.

 

[95pro]

jr smith elbowed someone too. given his history id say it was on purpose.