Edge

[john h]

We have seen very little from the he Edge. I assume he is saving his body for when it counts which is alright with me. Any one else want to speculate on this.

 

[Card Trader]

Nothing different than what he's done most of his career. LT does the same thing. No reason to take the extra abuse on your body.

 

[Red Hawk]

[Old prospector voice]

I remember back in the day LT meant Lawrence Taylor not that dang yun wipper snapper LaDainian Tomlinson.

 

[Codeofhammurabi]

We have seen very little from the he Edge. I assume he is saving his body for when it counts which is alright with me. Any one else want to speculate on this.

After watching Arrington run well the other night, I can't help but think that Edge will be OK when the regular season starts. I feel comfortable that he will be fine.

 

[PJ1]

We have seen very little from the he Edge. I assume he is saving his body for when it counts which is alright with me. Any one else want to speculate on this.

Would love to see him have some success running the ball with his new team in preseason.

On the other hand I would have a stroke if he got hurt.

 

[JeffGollin]

I keep hearing that Edge has a unique style of running and that our O-line has to get used to setting up blocks the right way.

It's hard to do that until you get the timing down under live-fire conditions. Until this is ironed out, I'm going to be a wee bit nervous.

 

[lobo]

for the most part....other than guys looking for a job or to move up on the depth chart the top guys are performing very similar to what we are seeing with edge. he knows his body and we all know that regardless whether it be pre-season or the real deal, running backs have just so many runs in them no doubt in my mind he is saving them up. there have been several "freaks' of nature like walter, emmit. when you start to see guys running with their heads down you can hear taps playing in the background!! they can't take the hits anymore.

 

[O]

[Old prospector voice]

I remember back in the day LT meant Lawrence Taylor not that dang yun wipper snapper LaDainian Tomlinson.

The EDGE is going to be just fine.

 

[conraddobler]

I keep hearing that Edge has a unique style of running and that our O-line has to get used to setting up blocks the right way.

It's hard to do that until you get the timing down under live-fire conditions. Until this is ironed out, I'm going to be a wee bit nervous.

Yeah, he uniquely goes for the open spot, it's only unique to us because our backs just run into people and fall down.

It's not like Edge had an all world line to run behind, he wasn't behind the Chiefs line, so if we signed Priest Holmes in his hay day and expected that to help, yeah you'd have a point.

If you watch the Indy line, they didn't blow people off the ball, they simply occupied a guy, that's all he's asking for, just get in front of your man and at least occupy him for just a second.

What he can't handle is someone running freely at him when he gets the ball, this is about coaching, all Looney has to do is get them to lock up their man without holding for a split second and not whiff.

Now some runners need a hole to open up pretty wide to get through, this is not Edge, he has great field vision and the ability to make the first guy miss, that does not require a great line, just adequate.

There's nothing special about it, just normal run into your man and at least make him fight his way around you, they do not have to drive block him 4 yards back.

Great O lines open holes like Dallas in it's hay day, you watch tapes of that and Adams and Allen literally opened a hole you could drive a truck through, we don't need that type of line because Edge never had that type of line, that type of line is like KC has and it's awesome but then if you have that, you end up lacking something like the WR's we have or Indy has, Dallas was the last team to have all of it because they were the last pre cap dynasty.

Edge likes the stretch play for a reason, the field is by definition stretched out, if our Oline locks up their man for a second the field is now stretched out, he sees downfield where the backers are and he picks a spot to avoid them, they can't cover it all, only the aforementioned free runner is going to bring him down behind the line, that's all we have to avoid, that's coaching, talent has little to do with it.

Edge is not dumb at all, when he thought of comming here he's got the HOF to think about along with the $, he knows our line stank and needs help, he probably heard enough when we said we'd get some FA help and a new good O line coach, he's cool with all that because he knows that Boldin and Fitz and Johnson are going to run guys off the LOS, if Pope is a threat too then he's in heaven, there's at least one backer gone too, so if the linemen are occupied he's got a backer and maybe a safety to beat, he's going to abuse at least one of them.

 

[slanidrac16]

I keep hearing that Edge has a unique style of running and that our O-line has to get used to setting up blocks the right way.

It's hard to do that until you get the timing down under live-fire conditions. Until this is ironed out, I'm going to be a wee bit nervous.

I understand your concern Jeff, but Edge has in as many words said his linemen don't have to pancake their man but just tie them up for a second.

 

[ChandlerCard]

...so if the linemen are occupied he's got a backer and maybe a safety to beat, he's going to abuse at least one of them.

Great post!

 

[Duckjake]

What he can't handle is someone running freely at him when he gets the ball, this is about coaching, all Looney has to do is get them to lock up their man without holding for a split second and not whiff.

Took one look at our Offensive Line and changed his name.

 

[conraddobler]

Took one look at our Offensive Line and changed his name.

Unfortuneately my daughter got my spelling skills, so I have to work with her extra long to get ready for each of her spelling tests...

 

[bigredjane]

On the NFL Network--

the other night they had the Chargers training camp with an interview with LT and he came right out and said he didn't play in preseason games. So Edge is not alone.

 

[conraddobler]

the other night they had the Chargers training camp with an interview with LT and he came right out and said he didn't play in preseason games. So Edge is not alone.

It makes sense, some players are more team oriented and do what the coaches want, coaches always want to feel secure so they want practice practice practice.

The reality is though a RB is the least coached player on the team, either you know how to run the rock and are physically gifted enough to do so or you're not.

You can learn how to pickup the blitz, how to catch better on the run but once you've mastered those, you're done.

It's the one position you can plug a rookie in and have them tear it up, look at Cadilac, when healthy he ran rampant in Tampa, he didn't need to learn to do that.

Edge and LT didn't forget how to run, they don't feel like going down and losing money or a career for a game that dosen't count and since they don't have to, I agree, they don't need to work on anything like timing with a QB or running routes or much of anything major, they are what they are, just add football and go.

The last thing we want is to be like Washington staring at your star RB in a sling.

The best RB at illustrating this was Marcus Allen, he could walk onto a football field right now, suit up and from the 5 on in he's money, he's not going to outrun anyone anymore but he's just going to take his time and pick a hole, if the line gets blown up then you need Barry Sanders or you're done.

 

[jstadvl]

Some good looks at Arrinton and Shipp this offseason leave me feeling much more confortable than ever. both of the other guys are really putting their bodies into the hit and hitting back, but doing it first. J.J turns the corner this year and Shipp gets a bit of a nose for the endzone and we're golden.
Both of them lookj great so far. And "egde" isn't doing anything that the LT's CP's SA's and many others are oing now in the RB's club.
I know I know my body better than my docs. EJ has to know if he feels ready or not. If he didn't, I certainly believe he'd be out there.

 

[playstation]

at the end of this year, edge is going to be revered in football as a messiah that managed to turn around the moribund cardinals franchise. he picked the right time, because the team is similar to something he's familiar with, and his strengths work well with team weaknesses. the o-line will do well enough, which is to say they won't whiff very often.

the only problem in preseason is that james gets on the field at all. if you're going to half-ass it, better to not step on the field.

 

[jstadvl]

I'm hoping Edge doesn't get ALL the credit. Itseems to me that evryone, from JJ to bj to the 3'son the O line are playing up! But, I'm with you.
He does appear to be running hard when he has the ball.

 

[john h]

Passing thoughts on OL

Listening to a couple of ex NFL players/announcers on Sports Center the other day. They were talking about the very large OL of the Cards and how Denny liked big guys. A couple of them commented that many teams are going to smaller very athletic as opposed to big and the NFL is trending that way. What say you all to that?

 

[Billy Flynt]

Listening to a couple of ex NFL players/announcers on Sports Center the other day. They were talking about the very large OL of the Cards and how Denny liked big guys. A couple of them commented that many teams are going to smaller very athletic as opposed to big and the NFL is trending that way. What say you all to that?

I said it last week:
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=76820
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=76820

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Yeah, he uniquely goes for the open spot, it's only unique to us because our backs just run into people and fall down.

It's not like Edge had an all world line to run behind, he wasn't behind the Chiefs line, so if we signed Priest Holmes in his hay day and expected that to help, yeah you'd have a point.

If you watch the Indy line, they didn't blow people off the ball, they simply occupied a guy, that's all he's asking for, just get in front of your man and at least occupy him for just a second.

What he can't handle is someone running freely at him when he gets the ball, this is about coaching, all Looney has to do is get them to lock up their man without holding for a split second and not whiff.

Now some runners need a hole to open up pretty wide to get through, this is not Edge, he has great field vision and the ability to make the first guy miss, that does not require a great line, just adequate.

There's nothing special about it, just normal run into your man and at least make him fight his way around you, they do not have to drive block him 4 yards back.

Great O lines open holes like Dallas in it's hay day, you watch tapes of that and Adams and Allen literally opened a hole you could drive a truck through, we don't need that type of line because Edge never had that type of line, that type of line is like KC has and it's awesome but then if you have that, you end up lacking something like the WR's we have or Indy has, Dallas was the last team to have all of it because they were the last pre cap dynasty.

Edge likes the stretch play for a reason, the field is by definition stretched out, if our Oline locks up their man for a second the field is now stretched out, he sees downfield where the backers are and he picks a spot to avoid them, they can't cover it all, only the aforementioned free runner is going to bring him down behind the line, that's all we have to avoid, that's coaching, talent has little to do with it.

Edge is not dumb at all, when he thought of comming here he's got the HOF to think about along with the $, he knows our line stank and needs help, he probably heard enough when we said we'd get some FA help and a new good O line coach, he's cool with all that because he knows that Boldin and Fitz and Johnson are going to run guys off the LOS, if Pope is a threat too then he's in heaven, there's at least one backer gone too, so if the linemen are occupied he's got a backer and maybe a safety to beat, he's going to abuse at least one of them.

Very well put... congrats!