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[Ed B]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease

I think Peek is a bit of a reach with such an early second round pick. He will probably still be there in the third.

I can't agree. With the success of guys like Leonard Little and KGB, teams are starting to realize that these "undersized guys" can still get 15 sacks a year and that's invaluable. Some team will definitely take a flier on the fastest DE in the draft before the end of Round 2.

And our high 2nd rounder is where another speed rusher went last year (Kalimba Edwards, 7.5 sacks as a rookie). And Bryan Thomas from UAB ended up going in round 1! So no way this guy is there in the 3rd. I wouldn't put it past Oakland to take him in 1.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by Ed B
And our high 2nd rounder is where another speed rusher went last year (Kalimba Edwards, 7.5 sacks as a rookie). And Bryan Thomas from UAB ended up going in round 1! So no way this guy is there in the 3rd. I wouldn't put it past Oakland to take him in 1.

Those guys were 15-20 pounds heavier than Peek. I agree Peek is fast but I question his lower body strength. I was very high on Freeney last year, even though he lacked ideal size, because the guy was not only fast but his lower body was Extremely strong.

I'm not sure that Peek has the lower body strength to be an effective End right off the bat. His speed alone may have got him by against college OT's but it won't work against the NFL versions. I think that if he is to be effective you won't see it for at least 2 years. That's why he shouldn't be drafted in the 2nd. The cards need to pick someone with their 2nd pick who can play ASAP.

I'm crossing my fingers that Dewayne White is there when the Cards pick. He would be a much better value that early in the second.

 

[Big Bird]

I think you need to check your references Little weighs 260 and KGB weighs 255. Peek's college profile lists him at 252 so I'm not sure where you got the 15-20 pounds more. I think Peek is a hustler great pass rusher and would be a good pick up for the Cards in the 2nd or 3rd round.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by Big Bird
I think you need to check your references Little weighs 260 and KGB weighs 255. Peek's college profile lists him at 252 so I'm not sure where you got the 15-20 pounds more. I think Peek is a hustler great pass rusher and would be a good pick up for the Cards in the 2nd or 3rd round.

I was refering to Edwards and Thomas. Peek showed up at the Combine weighing 246.

 

[Ed B]

Cincy clearly exaggerated Peek's weight, he was about 245 at the Combine which means he was probably playing in the 230s.

Leonard Little wouldn't weigh 260 if he was holding a cinder block.

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease

That's why he shouldn't be drafted in the 2nd. The cards need to pick someone with their 2nd pick who can play ASAP.

Well, that would be a stark departure from our last couple years of second round flops!

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by Ed B
Well, that would be a stark departure from our last couple years of second round flops!

Can't argue with you there.

 

[ChiCard]

If we could get a dependable center out of this draft I'd really be optomistic about the future. Starkey can not anchor this line. If Smith is going to help us at all, we need a center who's not gonna get knocked over throughout the game. We either take one high up in the early rounds or get a veteran.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by ChiCard
If we could get a dependable center out of this draft I'd really be optomistic about the future. Starkey can not anchor this line. If Smith is going to help us at all, we need a center who's not gonna get knocked over throughout the game. We either take one high up in the early rounds or get a veteran.

We just signed a veteran Center last week from St. Louis.

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
We just signed a veteran Center last week from St. Louis.

Garcia is capable but average. We shouldn't pass up the chance to get a 10-year player like Johnson or Faine.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by Ed B
Garcia is capable but average. We shouldn't pass up the chance to get a 10-year player like Johnson or Faine.

I agree and beileve that we will take a center some where in the middle of the draft. Maybe even with our third pick.

My previous post was towards the "or get a veteran" comment. I highly doubt that we will sign another free agent center after alreardy signing a veteran like Garcia.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Ed B
And to AZCB, I explained in the article that I think Trufant is the superior cover man even if Newman is available, but I freely admit that if they were both there the pick would be a toss-up.

I didn't say very well what I was trying to say/ask. On YOUR board, is Newman gone by #6? That is really the point I was trying to make to get a sense of how you arrived at Trufant...other than he is simply better. Was there another factor (ie newman is already off the board)?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
I was refering to Edwards and Thomas. Peek showed up at the Combine weighing 246.

Neither of those two are "15 pounds" more than Peek.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Neither of those two are "15 pounds" more than Peek.

Peek 6'3" 246lbs

Thomas 6'4" 266lbs

Edwards 6'5" 264lbs

Maybe my math is off.

I think not!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
Peek 6'3" 246lbs

Thomas 6'4" 266lbs

Edwards 6'5" 264lbs

Maybe my math is off.

I think not!

Yeah, and Charles Barkley was 6'9"

 

[ChiCard]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
I agree and beileve that we will take a center some where in the middle of the draft. Maybe even with our third pick.

My previous post was towards the "or get a veteran" comment. I highly doubt that we will sign another free agent center after alreardy signing a veteran like Garcia.

Thanks for reminding me about Garcia but my main point is still at issue. This guy from Wisc. in my opinion could be there for quite a while. I've seen him play a number of times and think he's the type to become a fixture. Garcia makes a skilled back-up. Starkey is "no where" if you know what I mean.

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by AZCB34
I didn't say very well what I was trying to say/ask. On YOUR board, is Newman gone by #6? That is really the point I was trying to make to get a sense of how you arrived at Trufant...other than he is simply better. Was there another factor (ie newman is already off the board)?

I simply think Trufant is better and I think Dallas may take Newman anyway. That's just a hunch, they have nothing at CB.

Newman thinks he's Deion Sanders. He's cocky, he baits QBs, and the covers a lack of technique with speed. Trufant is like a young Aeneas Williams. Very solid.

Newman has versatility in his favor, though.

 

[JeffGollin]

"Conundrum" I'm not sure why but that word always makes me laugh.
Maybe it's the way Dr. Ruth says it -

Seriously (heh heh) - Either Jurecki, Lewis or Hellestrae made a good point yesterday - that the more the Cards can do in the between now and the draft signing FA's, the fewer questions and ticklish decisions will need to be made on Draft Day.

The biggest thing the Cards could do right now is to bring in a veteran WR. I don't think there's anyone out there in free agency good enough to waste time on. But I suspect that there may be a few teams willing to unload an aging wideout with some gas left in the tank who's killing them cap-wise. (We might even have to trade one of our young wideouts for a veteran wideout in order to give up any draft picks).

If the Cards were able to remedy the WR vacancy via a trade, it no longer becomes necessary to consider passing up a Newman or Trufant to draft a WR or to reach for someone like Callico earlier than necessary to guarantee we satisfied a roster need.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
The biggest thing the Cards could do right now is to bring in a veteran WR. I don't think there's anyone out there in free agency good enough to waste time on. But I suspect that there may be a few teams willing to unload an aging wideout with some gas left in the tank who's killing them cap-wise. (We might even have to trade one of our young wideouts for a veteran wideout in order to give up any draft picks).

If the Cards were able to remedy the WR vacancy via a trade, it no longer becomes necessary to consider passing up a Newman or Trufant to draft a WR or to reach for someone like Callico earlier than necessary to guarantee we satisfied a roster need.
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I think that the case is just the opposite. I think the Cards are going to do whatever it takes to solidify the D with FAs, in the hope that they can draft WR help in the first two rounds. I don't think that's the right thing to do, but up to this point, have you heard anything from the Cards Compound that suggests otherwise?

If you think the Cards are trading for a Vet WR, you're dreaming and bound to be disappointed. Trades don't happen in today's NFL because of the salary cap implications of accellerating signing bonuses.

 

[BW52]

Originally posted by ChiCard
Thanks for reminding me about Garcia but my main point is still at issue. This guy from Wisc. in my opinion could be there for quite a while. I've seen him play a number of times and think he's the type to become a fixture. Garcia makes a skilled back-up. Starkey is "no where" if you know what I mean.

Al Johnson C wisconsin only benched 225 lbs 18 times at the combine.Suggs did 19 reps and everyone has panicked over that.Does Johnson have the strength to do the job?