Eli Apple - Got it.

[RugbyMuffin]

I am very far behind in my draft evaluation this year, just been a busy year is all.

Didn't know about Eli Apple.......now I know.

Yeah, he HAS to be a big consideration for the Cardinals at #29. Very Impressive.

 

[AZCrazy]

He is going to be taken just exactly around that spot, within a few picks. I think he has to be one of the prime targets in that area, along with Vernon Butler, Keanu Neal, and a few high talent/high risk droppers like Noah Spence and Robert Nkdemiche.

 

[DVontel]

I am very far behind in my draft evaluation this year, just been a busy year is all.

Didn't know about Eli Apple.......now I know.

Yeah, he HAS to be a big consideration for the Cardinals at #29. Very Impressive.

Very poor tackler.

Poor technique.

Grabby in coverage.



Is athletic, but it stops there. Dude is overall raw.

Why does this forum like him so much?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Very poor tackler.

Poor technique.

Grabby in coverage.



Is athletic, but it stops there. Dude is overall raw.

Why does this forum like him so much?

Agreed, but all three weaknesses can be worked on.

Kid is pretty darn athletic, he runs with receivers really well.

Just one of many possible players available at that spot, no doubt.

My comment was made since I had not really seen much of him, till I did some research and watched a little football.

 

[CardNots]

till I did some research and watched a little football.

Sure fire formula for failure, geez

 

[pinetopred]

Very poor tackler.

Poor technique.

Grabby in coverage.



Is athletic, but it stops there. Dude is overall raw.

Why does this forum like him so much?

Especially the grabby in coverage looks to me unless he cleans that up he will be a flag magnet

 

[DVontel]

Agreed, but all three weaknesses can be worked on.

Kid is pretty darn athletic, he runs with receivers really well.

Just one of many possible players available at that spot, no doubt.

My comment was made since I had not really seen much of him, till I did some research and watched a little football.

Yea, a player with weaknesses like that I would not take in the 1st round, lol.

3rd? Sure.

 

[Chopper0080]

Eli apple would be a good get.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

So many ? about anyone who will be available when we pick except for the #1 Center in the draft. Why do we keep considering other players who we knit pick about. Let's just grab the C and move on. We all know we won't be disappointed with that pick. Really leaves nothing more to discuss, unless of course someone grab hims before us.

 

[Mitch]

So many ? about anyone who will be available when we pick except for the #1 Center in the draft. Why do we keep considering other players who we knit pick about. Let's just grab the C and move on. We all know we won't be disappointed with that pick. Really leaves nothing more to discuss, unless of course someone grab hims before us.

Put in the Alabama Mississippi tape---the #1 center in the draft does not look like a top 100 pick. Other games too. Gives up inside pressures that lead to interceptions. In shotgun formations, he snaps the ball starting with his head between his legs---literally.

 

[Mitch]

Eli apple would be a good get.

Makes me nervous---very sloppy technique. Will have to make major adjustments in the NFL.

 

[Bodha]

I see lots of PI flags at the next level.


He likes to always have a hand on the WR, whether grabbing or not, which will get you flagged everytime.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Every player entering the draft has flaws. To expect him to be a complete finished, ready to step in start from day 1 is not being very realistic. He has the size, speed, fluidity, athletic ability to become a top CB. The rest is up to coaching and his ability to take to said coaching.

However, I was informed of a red flag with Apple yesterday and he seems to be falling. I'm not going share because it was told to me in confidence. I know the first thought is drugs, but, if that's the case, that's not what I was told.

 

[Chopper0080]

Makes me nervous---very sloppy technique. Will have to make major adjustments in the NFL.

Agreed. My point is that getting a talented player who has some technique issues at 29 isn't bad. It's like Janoris Jenkins. He wasn't perfect coming out, but his issues were acceptable for where the Rams were getting him. Most of us wanted to take a run at signing Jenkins. This is how I view Apple from the information that is available.

 

[cardpa]

Every player entering the draft has flaws. To expect him to be a complete finished, ready to step in start from day 1 is not being very realistic. He has the size, speed, fluidity, athletic ability to become a top CB. The rest is up to coaching and his ability to take to said coaching.

However, I was informed of a red flag with Apple yesterday and he seems to be falling. I'm not going share because it was told to me in confidence. I know the first thought is drugs, but, if that's the case, that's not what I was told.

Can you at least expand on the seriousness of the red flag. Could it lead to suspensions, etc. before he even plays in the NFL?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Most of us wanted to take a run at signing Jenkins. This is how I view Apple from the information that is available.

Not I. He was vastly overpaid. Jenkins is a really good Jerraud Powers.

 

[Bodha]

Every player entering the draft has flaws. To expect him to be a complete finished, ready to step in start from day 1 is not being very realistic. He has the size, speed, fluidity, athletic ability to become a top CB. The rest is up to coaching and his ability to take to said coaching.

This is true, however we are in a window right now.

We need contributors NOW. Taking a guy who will be ready in 2 years when Carson and Larry are retired does us no good in winning a Superbowl in February 2017.

Round 3 on, that's fine. Take future guys. But round 1, it has to be a NOW guy. I know those are somewhat rare, but they are out there. Mackensie Alexander is one. Hes a simple press man corner. Extremely polished and ready.

 

[Southpaw]

I'd rather have Keanu Neal S and hopefully grab Artie Burns CB 3rd (but he won't be there). IMHO I'd rather have Burns than Apple. Burns played in the horrible D'Onofrio/Golden defense in Miami, but the guy has a ton of talent.

 

[Stout]

This is true, however we are in a window right now.

We need contributors NOW. Taking a guy who will be ready in 2 years when Carson and Larry are retired does us no good in winning a Superbowl in February 2017.

Round 3 on, that's fine. Take future guys. But round 1, it has to be a NOW guy. I know those are somewhat rare, but they are out there. Mackensie Alexander is one. Hes a simple press man corner. Extremely polished and ready.

+1

 

[Chopper0080]

This is true, however we are in a window right now.

We need contributors NOW. Taking a guy who will be ready in 2 years when Carson and Larry are retired does us no good in winning a Superbowl in February 2017.

Round 3 on, that's fine. Take future guys. But round 1, it has to be a NOW guy. I know those are somewhat rare, but they are out there. Mackensie Alexander is one. Hes a simple press man corner. Extremely polished and ready.

This is shortsighted and flawed thinking. You never draft and count on draft picks to make immediate impacts. That is what free agency in for. The draft is about filling your roster with cheap talent.

 

[Chopper0080]

Not I. He was vastly overpaid. Jenkins is a really good Jerraud Powers.

So, are you opposed to drafting a really good Jerraud Powers at #29? It wouldn't be terrible if you ask me at below Jerraud Powers dollars? A good Jerraud Powers who is taller and longer?

I'm not intending to beat the drum for Apple, but I think some are discrediting what he can be for this team.

 

[Krangodnzr]

So, are you opposed to drafting a really good Jerraud Powers at #29? It wouldn't be terrible if you ask me at below Jerraud Powers dollars? A good Jerraud Powers who is taller and longer?

I'm not intending to beat the drum for Apple, but I think some are discrediting what he can be for this team.

Oh I would absolutely draft Jenkins at #29.

I think Kerouac put it best years ago when he pointed out that a successful mid to late first rounder should expected to be a good starter, not a superstar.

If the Cardinals can walk away with a good starting player at #29, I will be happy. Obviously with Keim we've seen a mixed record. With Cooper, I think he would've been a very good player sans all of the injuries. Bucannon has been a successful draft pick, performing at or above expectations. The jury is obviously still out on Humphries.

If #29 is on par with Buc, I will be very happy.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is shortsighted and flawed thinking. You never draft and count on draft picks to make immediate impacts. That is what free agency in for. The draft is about filling your roster with cheap talent.

And this is why I don't care if the team doesn't get an immediate starter out of round one.

I really want the Cardinals to take a DL in round one, just so the team has a young talented player to replace Calais Campbell's impact in the future. I think that is more pressing than C.

CB is important, but I think if the team signs Powers, the team can then draft a size/speed athlete later and develop them. I don't think that will be the case with a DL.

I think Gunter will be a good starter, but I don't expect him to replace Campbell when he leaves via free agency or via cut.

 

[Jetstream Green]

This is shortsighted and flawed thinking. You never draft and count on draft picks to make immediate impacts. That is what free agency in for. The draft is about filling your roster with cheap talent.

This x10 because as even Keim said, you draft for the future because rookies simply do not have a big enough impact in their initial year... one drafts for future needs

 

[Chopper0080]

And this is why I don't care if the team doesn't get an immediate starter out of round one.

I really want the Cardinals to take a DL in round one, just so the team has a young talented player to replace Calais Campbell's impact in the future. I think that is more pressing than C.

CB is important, but I think if the team signs Powers, the team can then draft a size/speed athlete later and develop them. I don't think that will be the case with a DL.

I think Gunter will be a good starter, but I don't expect him to replace Campbell when he leaves via free agency or via cut.

I would love to get a top DE to put in our defense in round 1, but I'm starting to believe it won't happen. I still have hope, but I'm not counting on it.