Email from a Former Colleague

[slanidrac16]

I think DJ is worth a couple of wins a year just on his ability to take a play that's not there and go 50-60 yards on it, CJ can't do that anymore.

But the bigger point is yes with this OL there's just a limit on how good the Offense is going to be.

We need a QB, we need a WR, and we basically need a whole OL.

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This. We need to scrap this offense. We need a young mobile qb. Dumping salaries of Palmer, veldeer, iupoti, fitz, Stanton and a few others will allow us to rework this roster. Revamp the entire o-line. With as many draft picks we have there is no reason we should not be able to get the best college qb out there. A new coaching staff will take away the predictability of this team. I can live with a rebuild. I can't live with the same old same old.

 

[DVontel]

Levekand absolutely is in the running for a QB. Kizer is getting a chance but isn't showing enough for them to pass on a stud QB. And with Indy, likely not, But I could see them trading with an aggressive club looking to leap us (like last year). And NYG and LAC is ABSOLUTELY drafting their QBOTF this offseason if they stink. That's what good franchises do.

We counted 8 franchises in addition to the cards that are likely thinking about a young signal caller the other day. And many of them will draft before us. And others will be savvy enough to snatch them out from under us. I have ZERO faith in this franchise identifying and actually getting a young QBOTF that's awesome.

I think the Browns will give Kizer another year before Hue makes the move. Giants just took a QB in the 3rd round year, I mean they can still take one in the 1st, but I doubt it. What makes the Chargers a good franchise?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think the Browns will give Kizer another year before Hue makes the move. Giants just took a QB in the 3rd round year, I mean they can still take one in the 1st, but I doubt it. What makes the Chargers a good franchise?

It's thinking like that that results in the cardinals not getting their QBOTF. Chiefs certainly didn't look in dire need with Alex smith. Right? Forward looking franchise. We don't look forward. Or at least haven't in a very long time. At least not at the most important position on the field.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I think this all started with the switching of JV to RT. Screwed him up physically and mentally and was one of the dumbest decision made for this OL.

I would add starting Boehm at RG, when he was only backup worthy last year. That is 2/5 of the line at below average to start the season, and it has just been getting worse.

 

[DVontel]

It's thinking like that that results in the cardinals not getting their QBOTF. Chiefs certainly didn't look in dire need with Alex smith. Right? Forward looking franchise. We don't look forward. Or at least haven't in a very long time. At least not at the most important position on the field.

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[kerouac9]

I think the Browns will give Kizer another year before Hue makes the move. Giants just took a QB in the 3rd round year, I mean they can still take one in the 1st, but I doubt it. What makes the Chargers a good franchise?

LOL. Kizer got benched yesterday for being bad. The Browns got their first lead of the season in Week 5. Hue Jackson is now 1-20 as head coach of the Browns.

If you think they're gonna pass on a top prospect because they have the 52nd overall pick in place, I'd like to introduce you to a Mr... James Clausen.

This take is a terrible take.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I received an email at halftime asking, “How much has the loss of DJ really hurt this team?” I responded not enough to make a W/L difference. He then asked, “How about the other injuries?” I told him same response.

I think at days end the Cards will be 2-3. With all their players healthy (a rare occurrence for any team) they’d still be 2-3. The issue starts with the O-line. I don’t think even Johnson could gain much behind them. He’d get a few more yards but not enough to make a difference. Johnson’s also a great receiver but without time to throw I’m not certain he could have many receptions in most games. Look at Fitz.

As for the others. Reddick is better than Golden. Humphries is mediocre at best. Iupati can’t pass block.

The specials teams continue to cost points and fail to set the Cards up for any points. Bottom line: this is a bad team. Likely their best was always 7-9.

I agree, Harry.

And I know I have been harping on this, and its not like I enjoy that Tyrann Mathieu is not the player he once was. I actually get sad thinking about it, but when you lose a player that was a Defensive Player of the Year type talent, and not only lose him for a year, but for good. That is going to sting.

When your best big bodied, stretch the field, possession receiver relapses and never comes back, that is going to sting.

When your big play, game winning TD, wide receiver suffers a health condition that he will never recover from and affects his play, that is going to sting.

The Cardinals have a lot to be held responsible for, but some of the things that have happened to this team, is just plain ridiculous, and out of the norm.

I have never seen the young core of a team be destroyed in the way it has, in ANY sport.

Edit: You could even throw Jonathan Cooper into the injured before he had a chance thing. He looked pretty damn good up until he got hurt in his rookie year, but that may just be wishful memories.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

We don't look forward. Or at least haven't in a very long time. At least not at the most important position on the field.

100% agreed.

I keep saying the Cardinals took a risk this year, and I think the best way to describe the risk, is they only "1/2 looked forward" this offseason. They tried to look forward, and contend, when I think it was an illusion that they still could contend.

Here we are with SOME prospects for the future, but not much, and if you are like me, and HATE this year's draft, then there was nothing done looking toward the future this year.

 

[schutd]

This take is a terrible take.

YOURE KILLING ME!!!!!!

 

[Southpaw]

LOL. Kizer got benched yesterday for being bad. The Browns got their first lead of the season in Week 5. Hue Jackson is now 1-20 as head coach of the Browns.

If you think they're gonna pass on a top prospect because they have the 52nd overall pick in place, I'd like to introduce you to a Mr... James Clausen.

This take is a terrible take.

If Trubisky plays well tonight the Browns will have officially crapped the bed. I can only begin to think about the QBs they have passed on. Watson was not good enough for them either.

BTW, Hue stated, today, he hasn't made a decision on Kizer or Hogan for this week.

 

[DVontel]

LOL. Kizer got benched yesterday for being bad. The Browns got their first lead of the season in Week 5. Hue Jackson is now 1-20 as head coach of the Browns.

If you think they're gonna pass on a top prospect because they have the 52nd overall pick in place, I'd like to introduce you to a Mr... James Clausen.

This take is a terrible take.

It’s the Browns.

 

[kerouac9]

It’s the Browns.

Yes. The Browns, who have drafted six quarterbacks in the last 11 drafts, three first-rounders, and none after the 3rd round.

Technically, the Browns are overdue for drafting a first-round QB.

 

[sdscard4]

Was watching a few Jake Plummer games . there was a game against Philly I believe 1999 or 2000. Kinda like yesterday but he kept us within the 14 point range cause the oline was horrendous and he could scramble. He throws a bomb as time expires and we make the catch for td and win.I believe it was M Jenkins . never thought I'd miss the snake so much

 

[pmacLean]

We can only pray that we go 2-14

not sure that's going to require any prayer at all.....

 

[Harry]

I agree, Harry.

And I know I have been harping on this, and its not like I enjoy that Tyrann Mathieu is not the player he once was. I actually get sad thinking about it, but when you lose a player that was a Defensive Player of the Year type talent, and not only lose him for a year, but for good. That is going to sting.

When your best big bodied, stretch the field, possession receiver relapses and never comes back, that is going to sting.

When your big play, game winning TD, wide receiver suffers a health condition that he will never recover from and affects his play, that is going to sting.

The Cardinals have a lot to be held responsible for, but some of the things that have happened to this team, is just plain ridiculous, and out of the norm.

I have never seen the young core of a team be destroyed in the way it has, in ANY sport.

Edit: You could even throw Jonathan Cooper into the injured before he had a chance thing. He looked pretty damn good up until he got hurt in his rookie year, but that may just be wishful memories.

The Mets might be a similar young team destroyed by injury. Several pretty good talent evaluators have come around to my way of thinking about Kizer that I posted at draft time. He’s not a year away. He came out too early just as his coach said. Now he’ll sit rather than getting game time in college. The consensus is they’ll trade for, sign or take a QB.

 

[JeffGollin]

Spot-on, Harry.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Lol... you're still peddling the contender talk.

You must've forgot the if healthy part, but that's not a surprise.

Let's see:
leading offensive POY candidate-out
starting left side of OL-out
leading sacker from last year-out
starting ILB-out
top deep threat-out/limited
Jim Dray had to start at TE 1 game

nah, you're right. Those guys wouldn't make a difference. I take back what I said.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You must've forgot the if healthy part, but that's not a surprise.

Let's see:
leading offensive POY candidate-out
starting left side of OL-out
leading sacker from last year-out
starting ILB-out
top deep threat-out/limited
Jim Dray had to start at TE 1 game

nah, you're right. Those guys wouldn't make a difference. I take back what I said.

True. I lot of those players were in the line up last year.....they went 7-8-1.

 

[Vacard]

Yeah... this team has 5-11 and the 8th pick in the draft written all over it.

Still not high enough to get Rosen. Sigh.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

True. I lot of those players were in the line up last year.....they went 7-8-1.

Like I mentioned in another thread, ST's cost the cards a playoff spot last year. Their O and D lineup were talented enough.

But ST's are part of the game, I get it.

 

[kerouac9]

Like I mentioned in another thread, ST's cost the cards a playoff spot last year. Their O and D lineup were talented enough.

But ST's are part of the game, I get it.

A O that constantly wet the bed in the red zone and was like 25th in DVOA. It was not good enough to overcome bad special teams.

Also , special teams were still bad this season.

 

[football karma]

i think Humphries makes a marginal difference -- it allows Wetzel to slide into guard -- making the left side a bit more reliable --

but its not the difference between a bottom 3 o line and a top third of the nfl line

i do think David Johnson, even with the o line as it is, makes a noticable difference --

all those 6 yard dump offs, he turns some decent % of those into something more by making a guy miss or running through a tackle -- something Ellington and CJ havent done. This puts pressure on the defense and opens up things up --

again, not the diff between a bottom 5 offense and a top third of the league, but enough to make a difference

 

[Chopper0080]

i think Humphries makes a marginal difference -- it allows Wetzel to slide into guard -- making the left side a bit more reliable --

but its not the difference between a bottom 3 o line and a top third of the nfl line

i do think David Johnson, even with the o line as it is, makes a noticable difference --

all those 6 yard dump offs, he turns some decent % of those into something more by making a guy miss or running through a tackle -- something Ellington and CJ havent done. This puts pressure on the defense and opens up things up --

again, not the diff between a bottom 5 offense and a top third of the league, but enough to make a difference

I haven't seen anything to make me believe that Humphries is better at LT than Wetzel much less a better OT than Wetzel. I will be disappointed but not shocked if our line gets worse when Humphries returns.