Embarrassing Season

[az jam]

No way to sugarcoat it, the Cards were one of the worst teams in the NFL this past season. As a Club Section season ticket holder, I paid a lot of money to see mediocre performances. The Bidwills made plenty of money by using a cap free season to significantly reduce the payroll to one of the lowest in the league. You could see the results on the field.

I expect a major overhaul on players and coaches. I can "vote" with my pocketbook as I'm sure many fans will do the same.

 

[Southpaw]

Worst record in the worst division. Doesn't get much lower than that. I really don't expect changes. The Cards are like Groundhog Day. We've all seen it again and again. Same front office making the same decisions. They got their new stadium and the side bennies from it. Now their stashing $$$$ away for the grandkids. Given that NFL teams do not have to sell one ticket to turn a profit, since their revenue stream is force fed billions with TV $$$, etc. Don't know if they are dumb, greedy or a combination of both. The 2 teams I choose to follow are carbon copies of each other. Dolphins & Cardinals.

Just a business folks. They are putting out the minimum acceptable product that makes the most money in their market.

 

[az jam]

Worst record in the worst division. Doesn't get much lower than that. I really don't expect changes. The Cards are like Groundhog Day. We've all seen it again and again. Same front office making the same decisions. They got their new stadium and the side bennies from it. Now their stashing $$$$ away for the grandkids. Given that NFL teams do not have to sell one ticket to turn a profit, since their revenue stream is force fed billions with TV $$$, etc. Don't know if they are dumb, greedy or a combination of both. The 2 teams I choose to follow are carbon copies of each other. Dolphins & Cardinals.

Just a business folks. They are putting out the minimum acceptable product that makes the most money in their market.

You are correct but fans in the Phoenix area are different than Packer & Eagle fans where they are always sold out even when their teams are doing bad. There is a small base of hard call Cardinal fans but many got on the bandwagon due to the wonderful new UOP stadium and a good team. Sure the Bidwills will still make money but having 30,000 in attendance rather the 63,000 will make a big difference. It may not happen right away but another season like this and it will be like old times in Sun Devil stadium.

 

[Southpaw]

You are correct but fans in the Phoenix area are different than Packer & Eagle fans where they are always sold out even when their teams are doing bad. There is a small base of hard call Cardinal fans but many got on the bandwagon due to the wonderful new UOP stadium and a good team. Sure the Bidwills will still make money but having 30,000 in attendance rather the 63,000 will make a big difference. It may not happen right away but another season like this and it will be like old times in Sun Devil stadium.

Make sure the Bidwills don't bring in Parcells. He is a phoney.

 

[az jam]

Make sure the Bidwills don't bring in Parcells. He is a phoney.

I'm not a Parcells fan but unfortunately we will be stuck with Graves. You and I know that is a fact and won't change. I still can't get over them promoting Graves when they fired Denny Green.

 

[Derm]

Hey, don't renew your club license contract. "now that was easy"

 

[Pariah]

[Parcells] is a phoney.

Why do you believe this? (seriously curious)

 

[Mulli]

Why do you believe this? (seriously curious)

His lack of results in Miami and Dallas?

 

[Pariah]

His lack of results in Miami and Dallas?

He may not have had the results he had earlier in his career (3 SBs with 2 teams, and an AFC Championship game with another), but he DID improve the Cowboys and the Dolphins.

He's not a magician, but he is a good football mind and player evaluator, IMO. It's hard to argue with his resume. Not everything he touches will turn to gold, but that doesn't make him a phoney, it makes him human.

 

[Mulli]

He may not have had the results he had earlier in his career (3 SBs with 2 teams, and an AFC Championship game with another), but he DID improve the Cowboys and the Dolphins.

He's not a magician, but he is a good football mind and player evaluator, IMO. It's hard to argue with his resume. Not everything he touches will turn to gold, but that doesn't make him a phoney, it makes him human.

Dolphins are only kinda sorta improved.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Dolphins are only kinda sorta improved.

from 1-15 to 11-5 is sorta improved???

 

[Mulli]

from 1-15 to 11-5 is sorta improved???

I watched the Fins vs. the Pats yesterday. Looked like a 1-15 offense again.

 

[Derm]

from 1-15 to 11-5 is sorta improved???

It sure is! Why then is Sparano (sp?) reportedly on the chopping block? Must be the sunglasses...

 

[Pariah]

I watched the Fins vs. the Pats yesterday. Looked like a 1-15 offense again.

And that's Parcell's problem? How is a game 32 removed from his tenure his doing? If anything, that points to BP being that good...he leaves and it falls apart.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I watched the Fins vs. the Pats yesterday. Looked like a 1-15 offense again.

It sure is! Why then is Sparano (sp?) reportedly on the chopping block? Must be the sunglasses...

So we only sorta improved as well?

 

[Mulli]

What exactly did Parcells actually do? Wasn't Ireland pulling the strings?

 

[Mulli]

And that's Parcell's problem? How is a game 32 removed from his tenure his doing? If anything, that points to BP being that good...he leaves and it falls apart.

So what exactly did he "build" there? Wow, did not expect so much Parcells man love?

 

[Pariah]

So what exactly did he "build" there?

from Wiki:

In the first season as Executive Vice President of Football Operations, Parcells fired head coach Cam Cameron, GM Randy Mueller, along with a few assistant coaches, after a 1–15 finish in the 2007 season. With vacancies at the GM and head coaching spots, he brought in Jeff Ireland to be the general manager and signed Tony Sparano as head coach.
The new front office under Parcells then signed over 20 little-known players in the free-agent market.
In the 2008 draft, they drafted offensive tackle Jake Long with the #1 overall pick, along with Phillip Merling, Kendall Langford, Chad Henne, Lex Hilliard, and Donald Thomas. They also signed undrafted free agents Dan Carpenter and Davone Bess.
They also released fan favorite Zach Thomas, who would end up signing with the Dallas Cowboys, and traded star defensive end Jason Taylor to the Washington Redskins for a second round pick in the 2009 draft.
The Dolphins then went on to sign quarterback Chad Pennington (drafted by Parcells in his Jets days), who was cut by the Jets to make room for Brett Favre.[34]
The Dolphins finished the 2008 season 11–5 and became AFC East champions when Pennington and the Dolphins defeated Favre and the Jets in the final game of the season.[35] They finished with a 10 game improvement, tying the 1999 Indianapolis Colts for the best improvement ever. It was also the first time since 2001 the Dolphins made the playoffs. They were routed in the first round by the Baltimore Ravens 27–9.

 

[Southpaw]

His "great teams", the Giants were built by George Young. When he didn't get enough credit, he retired, for the first time, citing health reasons. 2 years later he agreed to coach the Bucs, and then at the last minute backed out of the deal, leaving Hugh Culverhouse, one of the finest and fairest owners in the league, hanging. Ego thing again. 2 years at New England and he got pissed at Robert Kraft, another great owner. He quit again. He was locked in a non compete contract with New England and attempted to coach the Jets, by using the backdoor title of "director of football operations" ( sound familiar? ). Finally the NFL stepped in and compensated New England with draft picks. Two years later , he quit the Jets in the middle of a losing season. Retirement again. Out of retirement 3 years later, signed to coach the Cowboys, and finished 34 -32 no playoff wins. Retired again. In 2007, he accepted a job with the Falcons, verbally, and then took the job with the Dolphins, the same day, by playing Wayne Huizenga for more money and control. His player evaluation skills were exposed with the Dolphins, by poor draft choices and roster decisions. Now he is quitting the Dolphins, by demoting himself down to consultant, at the same inflated salary as Vice President, and is advising the 9ers while still on the Dolphin payroll. His feud with owner , Steven Ross, is a rerun, only worse, than his feuds with every other owner he has screwed over in the past. Now he is going on his 4th retirement.

That qualifies him as a phony, in my opinion.

 

[Mulli]

from Wiki:

Oh, I stand corrected.

Not.

 

[Pariah]

That qualifies him as a phony, in my opinion.

From that description he sounds shady, but it doesn't address what he did to the football teams he's worked for. You don't like him, that's cool. You don't think he's a good football guy. Okay, no skin off my back. I just disagree.

I HATE john elway, but I have to admit that what he did for the broncos was amazing and he's one of, if not the, best to play the game. I can separate the a-hole from the football player.

 

[Southpaw]

Parcelss took Jake Long over Matt Ryan, thinking Chad Pennington and Chad Penne were the answer. Still looking for a QB. Took Vontae Davis S/CB with Clay Matthews, Kenny Britt and Hakeem Nicks on the board. Still looking for WR and specifically because of this overpaid, big time , for Brandon Marshall a possession receiver, when he realized his receivers sucked. Then there is the Pat white 2nd round pick. Where is he now?

 

[Pariah]

Parcelss took Jake Long over Matt Ryan, thinking Chad Pennington and Chad Penne were the answer. Still looking for a QB. Took Vontae Davis S/CB with Clay Matthews, Kenny Britt and Hakeem Nicks on the board. Still looking for WR and specidically because of this overpaid, big time , for Brandon Marshall a possession receiver, when he realized his receivers sucked. Then there is the Pat white 2nd round pick. Where is he now?

Like I said, he's made mistakes--he's not Midas. Overall, I think he does good things for clubs. He moves them forward, not backwards.

 

[Mulli]

Parcelss took Jake Long over Matt Ryan, thinking Chad Pennington and Chad Penne were the answer. Still looking for a QB. Took Vontae Davis S/CB with Clay Matthews, Kenny Britt and Hakeem Nicks on the board. Still looking for WR and specifically because of this overpaid, big time , for Brandon Marshall a possession receiver, when he realized his receivers sucked. Then there is the Pat white 2nd round pick. Where is he now?

Yep. Parcells = phony.

 

[Shane]

Parcells = most overrated NFL "NAME" out there.