Encouraging Cards article on azcentral

[52brandon]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...ardinals-daryl-washington-we-can-win-row.html

while I do love how the players all handled their interviews and backed their coach, and their team. The part I really liked to see was this:

Whisenhunt was asked if other changes could be on the horizon, like a possible reshuffling of duties on his coaching staff and perhaps him taking over play-calling duties from offensive coordinator Mike Miller.
He’s been asked similar questions before but on Monday, for the first time this season, he said yes, those types of changes are being considered.
“There could be. That’s something that you look at,” he said. “When you have a day like you did (Sunday), you have to. Yeah, sure.”

now I'm not saying that Whiz taking over at OC is the winning strategy, but I AM encouraged by his acknowledging the fact that Miller SUCKS at the job. Maybe Whiz fires him now, takes over OC TEMPORARILY, and finds a guy that... well... has talent. He did one hell of a job finding one for DC. If he can pull that kind of hiring off for the other side of the ball, I will be ecstatic

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The thing is, whoever is the OC is going to be running Whiz's offense. It's not like they are going to bring in Mouse Davis and go to the run and shoot. Where Whiz could improve the OC position is by bringing in a guy who has experience calling a game. I have no problem with Whiz taking over as OC.

That's also why you have rarely heard me complain about Miller and why I, not like alot of people, never give Haley too much credit. It's CKW's system no matter who is the de facto OC. The thing with Haley is he probably had a better rapport with Whiz and thought more along the same lines.

I don't think Miller is going anywhere. Sadly, I think the same can be said about Grimm. Whiz will probably let the TE or quality control coach go to show some changes have been made. Whiz holds the palyers accountable, hopefully he does the same with the coaches.

 

[52brandon]

I hope you're wrong. He went through a couple DCs before he brought in Horton and him establish his system. It worked out insanely well. I hope he looks at that success and it opens up the possibility of something similar at OC. This is the guy's first HC gig, I wouldn't be surprised at all if making such a large changes scares him. Just hoping his success is letting the DC have full control on D carries over to offense. But since he was an OC himself, it also leaves a much higher chance that he doesn't as he may believe he knows better. I just hope he realizes that he wasn't hired to draw up or call plays, he was hired to change football in AZ (which he did. Fantastically well. This team is full of great players that are all also great for the community). Now he needs to focus on making the best choices for this club to win a Superbowl

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It doesn't matter if A or B calls the plays when the plays themselves are chicken----.

This offensive system sucks.

 

[Stout]

Yeah, the problem is that if we get rid of Miller, KW will just bring in another puppet who will fail, because he's just calling the same crap. We need an OC with autonomy to tailor the system to our team, and have the needed independence to call a good game. I don't see KW allowing that to happen. Unless Mikey B decides to force the issue, it won't happen. And the cycle of suck will continue.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't totally agree that it's the play calling. It's the execution of the plays called.

It's easy to question the play calling when the QB can't/doesn't make the play. Was it a bad play call by Miller/Whiz when Skelton misses a wide open Fitz by 8 yards on one of the most basic throws a NFL QB can have?

Do you think Mike McCarthy is going to look like a great offensive mind if he has Lucas Harrell rather than Aaron Rogers throwing the ball?

Look at Mike Shanahan. He was a great offensive coach when he had Elway. Not so much when he had John Beck and Rex Grossman at QB.

 

[PACardsFan]

I don't totally agree that it's the play calling. It's the execution of the plays called.

It's easy to question the play calling when the QB can't/doesn't make the play. Was it a bad play call by Miller/Whiz when Skelton misses a wide open Fitz by 8 yards on one of the most basic throws a NFL QB can have?

Do you think Mike McCarthy is going to look like a great offensive mind if he has Lucas Harrell rather than Aaron Rogers throwing the ball?

Look at Mike Shanahan. He was a great offensive coach when he had Elway. Not so much when he had John Beck and Rex Grossman at QB.

Absolutely! This post pretty much sums things up.

 

[az jam]

Our qb situation is the worst in the NFL.

 

[Mulli]

Not encouraged.

 

[football karma]

Coaching matters in the NFL

but lets be honest what it can and cant do


for goodness sake -- the offense is starting a 7th and a 4th round rookie at offensive tackle, starting its 5-7, 180 lb 3rd down specialist as its every down back, and is playing a 5th round pick / 6th round pick (rookie) at QB.

and people want to complain about the play calls?

I am not absolving coaching, but seriously -- the team has a really serious talent issue on the offense. The talent issue is partly due to injury, partly due to poor personnel decisions by the FO.

Until the talent issue is fixed, who calls the plays and what plays are called hardly matter much.

If a coach with a new system can score points with the Cardinal personnel rolled out the last few Sundays -- send them to Canton immediately

 

[jmt]

Sadly, there is currently nothing to be encouraged about this team. The o-line stinks but even a mediocre QB would have won a couple of the last six losses.

 

[az jam]

Until the talent issue is fixed, who calls the plays and what plays are called hardly matter much.

Not to worry, Rod Graves is on top of this for sure.

 

[Goldfield]

Coaching matters in the NFL

but lets be honest what it can and cant do


for goodness sake -- the offense is starting a 7th and a 4th round rookie at offensive tackle, starting its 5-7, 180 lb 3rd down specialist as its every down back, and is playing a 5th round pick / 6th round pick (rookie) at QB.

and people want to complain about the play calls?

I am not absolving coaching, but seriously -- the team has a really serious talent issue on the offense. The talent issue is partly due to injury, partly due to poor personnel decisions by the FO.

Until the talent issue is fixed, who calls the plays and what plays are called hardly matter much.

If a coach with a new system can score points with the Cardinal personnel rolled out the last few Sundays -- send them to Canton immediately

This is exactly the truth. You can't blame coaching or play calling when we have the worst combo of oline AND qb. Plus lots of injurys.

The FO is where the blame needs to go. We target marginal players in free agentcy. We have drafted better of late, but ZERO talent has gone to the oline which had NEVER been a strength for this team.

Eough is enough! Fix the line NOW, I don't care if we draft all oline and sign 5 new guys as free agents.

 

[Big D]

Sounds like more clueless rhetoric to me. Not very encouraging at all really. Whis obviously doesn't have the answers. When plan A predictably fails it's time for more of the same old "let's throw something against the wall and see if it sticks" philosphy we've seen over the last 3 years.

 

[kerouac9]

The thing is, whoever is the OC is going to be running Whiz's offense. It's not like they are going to bring in Mouse Davis and go to the run and shoot. Where Whiz could improve the OC position is by bringing in a guy who has experience calling a game. I have no problem with Whiz taking over as OC.

That's also why you have rarely heard me complain about Miller and why I, not like alot of people, never give Haley too much credit. It's CKW's system no matter who is the de facto OC. The thing with Haley is he probably had a better rapport with Whiz and thought more along the same lines.

I don't think Miller is going anywhere. Sadly, I think the same can be said about Grimm. Whiz will probably let the TE or quality control coach go to show some changes have been made. Whiz holds the palyers accountable, hopefully he does the same with the coaches.

I don't think that decision is going to be left up to Whis again this Spring.

On Miller, he's only worked with Whis his entire career. How could he not have the best possible rapport with him? I think you're going in the wrong direction; what Whis needs is some outside influence and fresh thinking on his offense--what Haley brought from his time in Dallas.

 

[juza76]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...ardinals-daryl-washington-we-can-win-row.html

while I do love how the players all handled their interviews and backed their coach, and their team. The part I really liked to see was this:

now I'm not saying that Whiz taking over at OC is the winning strategy, but I AM encouraged by his acknowledging the fact that Miller SUCKS at the job. Maybe Whiz fires him now, takes over OC TEMPORARILY, and finds a guy that... well... has talent. He did one hell of a job finding one for DC. If he can pull that kind of hiring off for the other side of the ball, I will be ecstatic

can he do another hell of a job finding a head coach

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't totally agree that it's the play calling. It's the execution of the plays called.

It's easy to question the play calling when the QB can't/doesn't make the play. Was it a bad play call by Miller/Whiz when Skelton misses a wide open Fitz by 8 yards on one of the most basic throws a NFL QB can have?

It has been 3 years of QB's that can't seem to process Whiz's offensive system.

3 years.

At what point do you finally question the system ? Seriously, rookie after rookie comes in and have success in the league. Look at the Houston Texans, they won with any QB they had.

At some point the system has to be questioned. How is it all these 2nd and 3rd year QB's can come in after a few months practice and succeed. Yet, our QB's need 3 years of work, and when it comes to game time still look like they have NO IDEA what they are supposed to do.

Friggin' John Skelton, Kevin Kolb, Derek Anderson, etc., etc. Bad QB's ? Yeah. Sure. The only thing I have seen them do in AZ is regress, which is hard to do when you are already terrible.

Say what you want about Leinart, he at least moved the ball when under Dennis Green. The minute Whiz came in to town, he regressed to 3rd string ability.

At this point, it is truly justifiable to call out Miller, Whiz, and this entire offensive system.

Excuses at this point, are just that, IMO.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I still don't know why Whis has a former QB coaching the WR's instead of the QB's. I think Reich would relate nicely to the QB's on the roster, because he knows what it's like to be a career backup and then succeed when called upon.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

can he do another hell of a job finding a head coach

Just use the Defensive Coordinator.

Look at what that man did with a defense that has been much maligned in years past in a 1 1/2 years on the job.

There must be something to what he is doing "big picture wise" to get such results.

Knowing the Caridnals, if they did get rid of Whiz, is would be a minor miracle if they replaced him with someone 10% of what Horton has already shown.

Give Horton the keys to the car. He is the only person getting his job done anyway......hell, he is the head coach now, IMO, since the other 2 phases of the game are non-exhistant.

 

[Shane]

I don't totally agree that it's the play calling. It's the execution of the plays called.

It's easy to question the play calling when the QB can't/doesn't make the play. Was it a bad play call by Miller/Whiz when Skelton misses a wide open Fitz by 8 yards on one of the most basic throws a NFL QB can have?

Do you think Mike McCarthy is going to look like a great offensive mind if he has Lucas Harrell rather than Aaron Rogers throwing the ball?

Look at Mike Shanahan. He was a great offensive coach when he had Elway. Not so much when he had John Beck and Rex Grossman at QB.

Post of the year and needs to be put in NEON for all the "what a horrible play call" Every two seconds people around here.

 

[Shane]

It has been 3 years of QB's that can't seem to process Whiz's offensive system.

3 years.

The quarter backs blow. End of story.

 

[desertdawg]

It has been 3 years of QB's that can't seem to process Whiz's offensive system.

3 years.

At what point do you finally question the system ? Seriously, rookie after rookie comes in and have success in the league. Look at the Houston Texans, they won with any QB they had.

At some point the system has to be questioned. How is it all these 2nd and 3rd year QB's can come in after a few months practice and succeed. Yet, our QB's need 3 years of work, and when it comes to game time still look like they have NO IDEA what they are supposed to do.

Friggin' John Skelton, Kevin Kolb, Derek Anderson, etc., etc. Bad QB's ? Yeah. Sure. The only thing I have seen them do in AZ is regress, which is hard to do when you are already terrible.

Say what you want about Leinart, he at least moved the ball when under Dennis Green. The minute Whiz came in to town, he regressed to 3rd string ability.

At this point, it is truly justifiable to call out Miller, Whiz, and this entire offensive system.

Excuses at this point, are just that, IMO.

Speaking of 3 years, that's how long we've lead the NFL in the shadiest O-line category. Might have something to do with the QB problem, I think it's all ****ed until it gets re-done.

 

[kerouac9]

Post of the year and needs to be put in NEON for all the "what a horrible play call" Every two seconds people around here.

The only legit WTF? playcall was the 4th down option with Reagan Mauia with gimpy John Skelton. That's one of the most awful playcalls that I've ever seen

 

[Mulli]

The only legit WTF? playcall was the 4th down option with Reagan Mauia with gimpy John Skelton. That's one of the most awful playcalls that I've ever seen

 

[juza76]

Just use the Defensive Coordinator.

Look at what that man did with a defense that has been much maligned in years past in a 1 1/2 years on the job.

There must be something to what he is doing "big picture wise" to get such results.

Knowing the Caridnals, if they did get rid of Whiz, is would be a minor miracle if they replaced him with someone 10% of what Horton has already shown.

Give Horton the keys to the car. He is the only person getting his job done anyway......hell, he is the head coach now, IMO, since the other 2 phases of the game are non-exhistant.

yes but this franchise hasnt a logical philosophy so what is obvious, for them is not ,they have a particular way to approach business.not right mentality for winners but just like a family business