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It's optics. They can trot robots out there and they'll lose money.

They are hoping the idiots on Wall Street don't look too deeply into the situation and take these cuts as positive and as a reason not to tank Disney stock.

It's all about pissing off their customers, cord cutting, lower advertising revenue, and the subscription fee slowdown.

The average person doesn't want a $13 a month basic cable channel (currently ~$9). A privilege that is ending. It's going to have to be more like $20 for it to work, but that would cause even more people to ditch it. A toxic feedback loop for ESPN.

For DECADES they just kept upping the subscription fee every time a contract came up with a major provider (like Cox, Comcast, etc, etc), $2, $2.50, $3, 3.75, $5, 6.50, 8.....now they are basically an HBO inside of basic cable. What a great and unique deal. No other cable channel had such an advantage. Maybe they should have figured that out and respected it.

Hell they even said if they wanted to have their own full fledged streaming app, it would need to cost $30 a month.

The contracts they signed for content are greater then the revenue they take in. They just assumed that everything could go up in perpetuity. If memory serves correct they were anticipating $13 a month by around 2022-2023, and people wouldn't be cutting their cords. Not when people have plenty of options and the payoff is a big chunk of change not to have ESPN.

Just imagine the hubris involved to destroy the prestige of your channel, that also has such a privileged position in cable, when plenty of alternatives exist, and you are jacking the costs up to infinity and beyond. All tough when wages are flat to down from last century and everything costs double or triple (and usually in smaller packages).

They only have as long as Disney covers their costs.

AOL in 2001 had a better future then ESPN.

Then remember all the college/professional leagues that rely on that money. Players are going to go crazy when they figure out what lies ahead. Less money. It's going to be a nasty fight. Remember, OBJ believes he's worth ~$50 million a year to play 16 games for about 3-4 minutes of actual game time (A NFL game is ~11 minutes). He plays offense, one of three phases.
 

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and then the blowback to the college programs that rely on ESPN broadcast fees.BTW ESPN is going into the WWE broadcast business.
 

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Richard Deitsch‏Verified account@richarddeitsch 6h6 hours ago




ESPN President John Skipper just announced the ESPN layoffs. Approximately 150 ESPN employees are having their jobs eliminated
 

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Richard Deitsch‏Verified account@richarddeitsch 6h6 hours ago




ESPN President John Skipper just announced the ESPN layoffs. Approximately 150 ESPN employees are having their jobs eliminated


The fall from grace for that company is well earned.

I will say it again, ESPN is to sports what MTV is to music.

When ESPN stopped talking about the games, and the sports, and started talking about sport tabloids and politics they sealed their fate.

A 1 hour sports center is about 2 minutes of highlights, and 58 minutes of what Eziekel Elliot had for breakfast, and if Brett Farce is coming back from retirement.
 

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The fall from grace for that company is well earned.

I will say it again, ESPN is to sports what MTV is to music.

When ESPN stopped talking about the games, and the sports, and started talking about sport tabloids and politics they sealed their fate.

A 1 hour sports center is about 2 minutes of highlights, and 58 minutes of what Eziekel Elliot had for breakfast, and if Brett Farce is coming back from retirement.

Amen to that. How Fox Sports 1 has failed to take advantage of this is absolutely mind boggling.
 

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I have SlingTV and just about every channel except ESPN for $30 a month.

I rarely miss it except for the occasional exclusive game I can’t see.


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espn has sucked ass for decades...started when they decided poker was a sport.
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stephen a is a race baiting bigot and should never be on television.
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the female sportscasters are fine so long as they know something about sports... but these days many of them dont.
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it seams...espn also suffers from the development of other networks...I get my nfl news from nfl channel....but then you have the Pac12 channel, the SEC channel,...Big10 channel, yada, yada, yada....why go to espn for USC news when they are fully 1/12th of the news on the Pac12 channel?
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even though he aint espn, someone brought it up...
al michaels singlehandedly ruined monday night football...the network kept changing his partners trying to stop the slide...but it failed... the common denominator in all that failure is and always has been al michaels...the dude is like fingernails on chalkboards.
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the worst part?? sportscasting has gotten so damned bad...I actually caught myself enjoying al michaels and chris collinsworth.... two dudes I have hated for decades...so much so I used to mute the game so I didnt have to hear them
 

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the worst part?? sportscasting has gotten so damned bad...I actually caught myself enjoying al michaels and chris collinsworth.... two dudes I have hated for decades...so much so I used to mute the game so I didnt have to hear them

#1 complaint about NFL football, and I am not kidding, it is my #1 complaint. That they do not use local/home broadcasts.

It would be awesome to watch the Cardinals with a Cardinals based broadcast team, IMHO.
 

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#1 complaint about NFL football, and I am not kidding, it is my #1 complaint. That they do not use local/home broadcasts.

It would be awesome to watch the Cardinals with a Cardinals based broadcast team, IMHO.
it would... but then they have to share the advertising revenue... they could still use the same formula...hire a journalist and an exe player
 

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oh yeah...and whats up with mel kiper??
dude looks like joey buttafuoco dressed up as a mob bookie for halloween
 

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Any names come out, yet?
I think this time it's low level staff. What I heard today is that they're going to move more toward a digital format but I don't buy that excuse for a quarter. Their ratings are tanking because they're still continuing to be sports politics instead of sports.
 

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Ratings are "tanking" because people (mostly millennials) don't watch TV like they did in the past. Not because of "sports politics"...whatever that is.

It's not really about "ratings" anyways...it's about "subs" (subscribers). ESPN makes a certain amount of dollars per subscriber. And since ESPN is part of most (all?) basic cable packages, they make $$ whether that person (or family) watches ESPN or not. As folks "cut the cord" from cable to alternate ways to watch TV (Netflix, Hulu, Sling TV, etc) the amount of "subs" drops. Less "subs" = less revenue. Less revenue = layoffs.

I'm an old fart who watches the rerun of the late night SportsCenter every morning while on my elliptical machine, and I don't hear anyone talk about politics at all.
 
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I think this time it's low level staff. What I heard today is that they're going to move more toward a digital format but I don't buy that excuse for a quarter. Their ratings are tanking because they're still continuing to be sports politics instead of sports.
and a whole bunch of crap about "victims" and sob stories. Melodrama on steroids.
 

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Networks are going to go the way major retailers are going. Too many options for a new generation to keep going to Sears and ESPN, etc.
 

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ESPN is struggling because their subscription costs are through the roof compared to other big networks (TNT, TBS, Discovery, etc..), and basic cable/satellite packages no longer include ESPN due to the price. The "politics" portion probably doesn't help their cause, but that only has a small influence on their ratings. This is all about price...paying the NFL for MNF isn't cheap, and that cost is passed on to the subscribers...a price that people don't want to pay for any longer.
 

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I don't need to apologize for the fact that I never want to see another staple of sports media, the feel-good 'vinette'. Hey bruh, I hate to tell you that lots of us have grown up in conditions that were less than ideal. If I were a sports figure, would you really be interested in knowing that my dad died in a plane crash leaving a wife and 6 kids on their own, with me the eldest? I am not without compassion for others who have siblings that have had to fend for themselves but I don't need it in a pregame show put to sappy music.
 

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Networks are going to go the way major retailers are going. Too many options for a new generation to keep going to Sears and ESPN, etc.

Hit the nail on the head. The UFC and WWE are damn near crisis levels now.

The way this younger generation consumes entertainment is different. My smart TV has Netflix, Hulu and Apple TV. I can watch whatever I want whenever I want. Why do people have to watch your whole show now when they can just look up the part of your show they want to see on YouTube, why buy your whole album when I can just buy the songs I like.

Great time for us bad time for them
 

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ESPN is on the wrong side of most problems that a network could have. They've all been mentioned here. Too costly, too many other options, too much attempt at manufactured personality and controversy. Political nonsense. And most of all.... Lack Of Content that anyone wants to watch. Someone mentioned the obliteration of MTV before. I think that's exactly the problem. If they showed videos, people would watch. Now it's everything but, and everyone hates it except bored 13 year olds. They forsook their foundation. How many panel discussions can anyone watch? Show the games.
 

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When ESPN was one channel and they just showed highlights around the clock and Sportscenter was awesome their overhead was probably pretty close to all the other cable channels and the subscription fees were probably the same as well.


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When ESPN was one channel and they just showed highlights around the clock and Sportscenter was awesome their overhead was probably pretty close to all the other cable channels and the subscription fees were probably the same as well.


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Hit the nail on the head. The UFC and WWE are damn near crisis levels now.

The way this younger generation consumes entertainment is different. My smart TV has Netflix, Hulu and Apple TV. I can watch whatever I want whenever I want. Why do people have to watch your whole show now when they can just look up the part of your show they want to see on YouTube, why buy your whole album when I can just buy the songs I like.

Great time for us bad time for them

Its their own damn fault. They are a business, its their job to adapt, and compete.

We will see what the government does for their big business buddies when it comes to the internet. Elitist people in power do no like losing money, they feel entitled to always earn more even when they do not deserve it, or earn it. They will use the government to try and take control, and we will see how that goes. Its not like the hackers, who really are the people that allow the internet to exist or not, handle the situation.
 

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