I think Holiday will make a decision very soon. Especially since Seattle is out of the picture. It now appears that only the Cardinals and Chiefs have offers on the table.
ESPN Insider say Holliday nearing decision
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This was in PFW yesterday:
"Free-agent DE Vonnie Holliday continues to weigh offers from the Cardinals and Chiefs. There has been speculation Holliday could sign a one-year contract somewhere — including with his old team, Green Bay — to try to hit the free-agent jackpot again next offseason. Holliday’s agent. Brian Levy, hasn’t ruled that option out but said Wednesday, “We’re not even thinking about that right now.”"
"Free-agent DE Vonnie Holliday continues to weigh offers from the Cardinals and Chiefs. There has been speculation Holliday could sign a one-year contract somewhere — including with his old team, Green Bay — to try to hit the free-agent jackpot again next offseason. Holliday’s agent. Brian Levy, hasn’t ruled that option out but said Wednesday, “We’re not even thinking about that right now.”"
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Re: he knows the cardinals are desperate
Desperate, I don't think so.
The Cards have put an offer on the table and the ball is in Holiday's side of the net.
It's up to him and I think the Cards are playing this scenerio quite well.
Desperate, I don't think so.
The Cards have put an offer on the table and the ball is in Holiday's side of the net.
It's up to him and I think the Cards are playing this scenerio quite well.
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i actually agree. i think this is one situation in which i agree with the cards' actions 100%. rare.
I don't think (i could be wrong) KC has an offer on the table. I think Holliday is hoping to get an offer from KC. I think most of us believe that KC can not make an offer with their cap situation (they need money for the rookie pool).
I think it is just us and Seattle that has offers out.
That said I think it is time to move on. Leave Holliday and go.
I think it is just us and Seattle that has offers out.
That said I think it is time to move on. Leave Holliday and go.
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In my opinion, the worst thing that could happen is if Holliday pulls a "MarTay" and signs a one year at really low money with a playoff caliber team with the mentality that he will "prove" himself to get bigger money next year while the Cardinals still have this ludicrously huge offer on the table. That would counter-act any improvement in perception in regards to the Cardinals as an orginization since the Emmitt signing.
The time has come for the Cardinals to pull their current offer, and low-ball Holliday with a "take-it-or-leave-it" ultimatium! If he accepts it, fine. If he rejects it, pull it and deal with him no more. Vonnie has absolutely no leverage left since Chike Okeafor has now signed with the Seahawks.
Whether or not Holliday accepts or declines such an offer, it would make other free-agents realize that the Cardinals aren't going to take anymore "Ricky Watters" kind of B.S.!
The time has come for the Cardinals to pull their current offer, and low-ball Holliday with a "take-it-or-leave-it" ultimatium! If he accepts it, fine. If he rejects it, pull it and deal with him no more. Vonnie has absolutely no leverage left since Chike Okeafor has now signed with the Seahawks.
Whether or not Holliday accepts or declines such an offer, it would make other free-agents realize that the Cardinals aren't going to take anymore "Ricky Watters" kind of B.S.!
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A bit off topic, but why do you use an asterisk for centers?
Just curious...
According to TSN the Eagles are thinking about bringing in Holliday for a work out. If that happens it may delay his decision.
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Give him a damn deadline. We need to know soon so we can plan accordingly.
If he wants to play here, fine. If not, then he can go spit up a flagpole. But we can't be dangling in the breeze like this. Tell him the offer's good till monday, period.
If he wants to play here, fine. If not, then he can go spit up a flagpole. But we can't be dangling in the breeze like this. Tell him the offer's good till monday, period.
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Holiday is going to end up like Kordell
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I don't see why we give him a deadline...to find out if he really wants to be in Arizona? Kendall said he signed strictly for the money, as I remember, and it has worked out. Holliday can improve our DL. We have an offer on the table. An offer management was comfortable with. Why not leave it out there?
Ed, do you mean YOU can't be dangling in the breeze like this? If the Cardinals management wants to impose a deadline because they need to "plan accordingly," I'm sure they will. But does signing Holliday really alter our plans?
Do we not draft Suggs if we sign Holliday? What plans hinge on Holiday's signing?
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I thought I got all those out of there. Must have missed a couple.
The ones with asterisks were likely to retire.
Signing him does effect the teams draft plans. It may not change their thought process but NOT signing him does create a whole new area of concern that will have to be seriously considered. If they had signed Colvin or Holliday by now, that could entirely change their draft strategy and they could draft QB, CB or DT in round 1. Not having either means they must also add DE to that first round list where they may have put that off until later in the draft.
He would improve the DL but he needs to decide and we need to get this done.
As a fan it sucks not knowing if he'll sign or not, but if he signs tommorow or the day before the draft it doesn't effect the team.
He doesn't NEED to do anything. We as fans WANT him to do something so we know where we stand.
He doesn't NEED to do anything. We as fans WANT him to do something so we know where we stand.
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I agree with this. Basically, we're waiting to see what two guys do before the draft. Holliday and Sanders. I can't see the signing of either one impacting what we do in RD 1. Round 2 maybe, but jeez, how hard is it to gameplan for that?
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_____Signing him does effect the teams draft plans. It may not change their thought process but NOT signing him does create a whole new area of concern that will have to be seriously considered. If they had signed Colvin or Holliday by now, that could entirely change their draft strategy and they could draft QB, CB or DT in round 1. Not having either means they must also add DE to that first round list where they may have put that off until later in the draft._____
I agree wholeheartedly. If the Cardinals don't sign Hooliday or some other quality FA DL, their focus on DAy One of the Draft HAS to be on DL. Look at the DL we have on the roster. We are putting our hopes on exclusively "hope they get better" players. Look at our schedule. I think with just an average Defense, we can win 7 or more games. That Defense may not even be average if we pin our hopes on what we have now. We will have to draft DL if we do not sign Holliday. Even if we have to reach.
_____Signing him does effect the teams draft plans. It may not change their thought process but NOT signing him does create a whole new area of concern that will have to be seriously considered. If they had signed Colvin or Holliday by now, that could entirely change their draft strategy and they could draft QB, CB or DT in round 1. Not having either means they must also add DE to that first round list where they may have put that off until later in the draft._____
I agree wholeheartedly. If the Cardinals don't sign Hooliday or some other quality FA DL, their focus on DAy One of the Draft HAS to be on DL. Look at the DL we have on the roster. We are putting our hopes on exclusively "hope they get better" players. Look at our schedule. I think with just an average Defense, we can win 7 or more games. That Defense may not even be average if we pin our hopes on what we have now. We will have to draft DL if we do not sign Holliday. Even if we have to reach.
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Ditto!
Don't get me wrong--I want Holliday in Arizona. But, even with Holliday on the roster our biggest area of need is DL. I don't think it changes who we should take in the draft if we have him or don't.
I think we ought to take the best available defensive player, or if Suggs is gone, see if the Jets or NO still want the #6 spot.
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Just to Create Dissension in the Ranks...
Let's assume we sign Holliday. Where do we play him?
If we play him at RDE, can he be the edge pass rusher we need?
If we play him at LDE and we draft Suggs for RDE, what happens to VDB and Wakefield?
Same question if we play him at LDE even if we don't draft Suggs at RDE.
If we brought in Holliday, would the Cards be smart or crazy to consider trading VDB or Wakefield as part of a package in order to trade up to guarantee getting Suggs?
Duke it out boys & girls.
Let's assume we sign Holliday. Where do we play him?
If we play him at RDE, can he be the edge pass rusher we need?
If we play him at LDE and we draft Suggs for RDE, what happens to VDB and Wakefield?
Same question if we play him at LDE even if we don't draft Suggs at RDE.
If we brought in Holliday, would the Cards be smart or crazy to consider trading VDB or Wakefield as part of a package in order to trade up to guarantee getting Suggs?
Duke it out boys & girls.
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Re: Just to Create Dissension in the Ranks...
If we do sign Holliday, I think he should play at LDE, regardless if we draft Suggs or another speed rusher. I think with his size (290+ pounds) Holliday is best suited with slugging it out with the larger RT's.
If we do draft Suggs, I would put him next to Bryant for the same reason...he be able to out-quick some guards...
If we do sign Holliday, I think he should play at LDE, regardless if we draft Suggs or another speed rusher. I think with his size (290+ pounds) Holliday is best suited with slugging it out with the larger RT's.
If we do draft Suggs, I would put him next to Bryant for the same reason...he be able to out-quick some guards...
