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ABSOLUTELY WRONG!

Pace:

Tackles 98
Sacks 6.5
Forced Fum 1
Int's 1

Hayes:

Tackles 99
Sacks 4
Forced Fum 1
Int's 1

Dansby: (All in only 14 games mind you)

Tackles 99
Sacks 3.5
Forced Fum 4
Ints 3

Pace had less tackles then both by one. Hayes had 4 sacks from his position in which getting pressure on the passer isnt his primary objective like it is for Pace. Pace only having 2.5 more isnt that impressive. They bpth had equal forced fumbles and equal Ints. and both played 16 games. I would at most call that a wash.

Dansby out tackled him forced more fumbles and had 2 more ints. He also had 3.5 sacks which is less. But overall his impact on the games based on the turnovers and sheer # of tackles in 2 less games makes him a helluva a lot more of an impact player.

Overall our LB's are pretty solid.

I am more than worried about Pace putting up those numbers in a contract year, the year after his injury that forced him to miss the end of the season.

He did not have a better season than the guys listed above. We can just disagree and if that means my credibility is shot, so be it.
 

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I say that Watson was solid. Very solid. But he in no way was the player Pace was last year. I know they are hard to compare because of positon and responsibility.

Just because Rolle had two big games doesnt excuse his absolute horrid and oncinsistent play in the other 14. To say he was a better player then Pace is quite simply off the hook.

So using that logic, Boldin had a better year that Fitz last year? I bet if we took a poll, it'd be a lot different than you might think.
 

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So using that logic, Boldin had a better year that Fitz last year? I bet if we took a poll, it'd be a lot different than you might think.

You just went in way left field with that logic. You are going to have to explain a lil further.
 

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You just went in way left field with that logic. You are going to have to explain a lil further.

Some people would take Boldin's Baltimore game, and say that he had a more productive year than Fitzgerald. They'd say, "if Boldin only was healthy" or "that play was the epitome of the entire season."
 

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Some people would take Boldin's Baltimore game, and say that he had a more productive year than Fitzgerald. They'd say, "if Boldin only was healthy" or "that play was the epitome of the entire season."

Your comapring apples to oranges. Even if you take Boldins two biggest games Fitz had two BIGGER games last year stat wise. Also Both Rolle and Pace were healthy all year while Boldin Played with a freaking fracture in his hip and dislocated toe.


You are really reaching. Pace was VERY CONSISTENT all year and got consistent pressure on the QB made many many important and vital tackles as the year went on.

Rolle had one monster game and one good game and the rest he was torched badly VERY badly. In fact the game right after the cincy game he was a freaking goat. No consistency whatsoever. You are as far in left field on this as it gets bro sorry.
 

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Pace is a talent, letting him go would be stupid.
I can't believe we 'kept our powder dry' for what seems like years only to be rewarded with this crap.

Yeah, I feel more discouraged than ever with the team. Even if we went into next year just retaining our free agents, with our schedule we would not win 8 games. It'll be very interesting to see how this offseason pans out, not looking good right now.
 

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Your comapring apples to oranges. Even if you take Boldins two biggest games Fitz had two BIGGER games last year stat wise. Also Both Rolle and Pace were healthy all year while Boldin Played with a freaking fracture in his hip and dislocated toe.


You are really reaching. Pace was VERY CONSISTENT all year and got consistent pressure on the QB made many many important and vital tackles as the year went on.

Rolle had one monster game and one good game and the rest he was torched badly VERY badly. In fact the game right after the cincy game he was a freaking goat. No consistency whatsoever. You are as far in left field on this as it gets bro sorry.

For the first few games of the season, Pace shouldn't even have been starting. Just like Rolle, it wasn't decided that he should have the job (or not) until the preseason was winding up.

They both had a productive year. Rolle had a better one IMO. we can disagree, we do disagree. I'm ok with that. Just like I'll take Fitz, you take Boldin. Doesn't mean either of us are wrong, just different.
 

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For the first few games of the season, Pace shouldn't even have been starting. Just like Rolle, it wasn't decided that he should have the job (or not) until the preseason was winding up.

They both had a productive year. Rolle had a better one IMO. we can disagree, we do disagree. I'm ok with that. Just like I'll take Fitz, you take Boldin. Doesn't mean either of us are wrong, just different.

I dont consider 2 games of producing out of 16 production. You could damn near call it geting lucky. Now when you are consistent from game 1 to game 16 thats production IE Pace.

We arent different. You are wrong and I am right. :D

Im kidding!
 

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I dont consider 2 games of producing out of 16 production. You could damn near call it geting lucky. Now when you are consistent from game 1 to game 16 thats production IE Pace.

We arent different. You are wrong and I am right. :D

Im kidding!

I won't concede to you, but I will concede to your avatar!
 

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For the first few games of the season, Pace shouldn't even have been starting. Just like Rolle, it wasn't decided that he should have the job (or not) until the preseason was winding up.

They both had a productive year. Rolle had a better one IMO. we can disagree, we do disagree. I'm ok with that. Just like I'll take Fitz, you take Boldin. Doesn't mean either of us are wrong, just different.
The problem with that is you are lkely the only person on earth who would venture to say that a nickelback was more important to his team than a 100 tackle 6 1/2sack LB.
 

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The problem with that is you are lkely the only person on earth who would venture to say that a nickelback was more important to his team than a 100 tackle 6 1/2sack LB.

I don't mind saying that Fitz is more important to this team that Boldin either. I don't mind being on the outside of popular opinion.
 

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It's not just "Pace should have been signed last offseason" (that would have been stupid--he was on the bubble through training camp) against "he'll be overpaid on the open market."

What should have happened is that Graves approached Pace's agent in December or January (before he started to hear reports about his value), and gotten Pace signed to an extension. That's what smart GMs do, because you hear about winter extensions all the time. Instead, Graves decided to wait until the market was reduced with guys like Suggs being franchised, and now Pace is one of the top guys on the market.

We probably could have signed Pace to a Hayes-type contract--or even the $5 million contract that we gave to Berry and Okeafor (which will look like peanuts to what he'll get now)--if we'd done this three months ago. But Rod Graves and the Cardinals decided to waste time on fruitless negotiations with Karlos Dansby, whom they knew was more than likely to be Franchised. Good work. :bang:
 

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It's not just "Pace should have been signed last offseason" (that would have been stupid--he was on the bubble through training camp) against "he'll be overpaid on the open market."

What should have happened is that Graves approached Pace's agent in December or January (before he started to hear reports about his value), and gotten Pace signed to an extension. That's what smart GMs do, because you hear about winter extensions all the time. Instead, Graves decided to wait until the market was reduced with guys like Suggs being franchised, and now Pace is one of the top guys on the market.

We probably could have signed Pace to a Hayes-type contract--or even the $5 million contract that we gave to Berry and Okeafor (which will look like peanuts to what he'll get now)--if we'd done this three months ago. But Rod Graves and the Cardinals decided to waste time on fruitless negotiations with Karlos Dansby, whom they knew was more than likely to be Franchised. Good work. :bang:
Agree 100%. :thumbup:
 

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It's not just "Pace should have been signed last offseason" (that would have been stupid--he was on the bubble through training camp) against "he'll be overpaid on the open market."

What should have happened is that Graves approached Pace's agent in December or January (before he started to hear reports about his value), and gotten Pace signed to an extension. That's what smart GMs do, because you hear about winter extensions all the time. Instead, Graves decided to wait until the market was reduced with guys like Suggs being franchised, and now Pace is one of the top guys on the market.

We probably could have signed Pace to a Hayes-type contract--or even the $5 million contract that we gave to Berry and Okeafor (which will look like peanuts to what he'll get now)--if we'd done this three months ago. But Rod Graves and the Cardinals decided to waste time on fruitless negotiations with Karlos Dansby, whom they knew was more than likely to be Franchised. Good work. :bang:

What agent would be stupid enough to sign an extension in December for a UFA coming off of a solid year - especially when his client seems to be on the rise.
 

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Yes but Dockett showed many flashes of dominance in actual games prior to the extension. Pace never did. Im right your wrong now deal! :)

Pace always looked good in the pre-season!


:soapbox:


Okay, perhaps on this one issue I might be wrong (but I am never going to admit it)


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JTS
 

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What agent would be stupid enough to sign an extension in December for a UFA coming off of a solid year - especially when his client seems to be on the rise.

An agent that understands that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

No one thought that Calvin Pace was on the rise in December. He was a solid player who had finally begun coming into his own. Once guys like Jared Allen and Terrell Suggs started going off the market--which happened less than a month ago--Pace started to get hot.

I think that 5 years/$25 million/$9 million guaranteed would have been solid offer at that time.
 

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According to Urbans latest blog, Graves approached Pace's agent mid season to try and get an extension done. Pace's agent turned Graves down because they wanted to see what Pace could get on the FA market.
 

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I totally agree.

The guy wasn't even a starter at the beginning of the year.

So by the same argument, Lou Gherig sucked in 1925, since he wasn't the starter at the beginning of the year. What about Warner in 1999?

Who cares what his status was before the year started, he got an opportunity and he produced, and produced well.
 

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