ESPN Radio Amar'e Joe Johnson tidbit...

[Yuma]

I don't know if this has been said, but if it has, go ahead and delete this thread. I heard on ESPN Radio today that the free agency period technically starts on 9PM Wednesday night for Joe Johnson and Amar'e and to take advantage of that the Knicks are sending reps to each of those guys houses Wednesday evening. Joe Johnson will be in Los Angeles. They didn't say if he had a house there, but will be there to take advantage of the early start to free agency.

 

[Covert Rain]

I don't know if this has been said, but if it has, go ahead and delete this thread. I heard on ESPN Radio today that the free agency period technically starts on 9PM Wednesday night for Joe Johnson and Amar'e and to take advantage of that the Knicks are sending reps to each of those guys houses Wednesday evening. Joe Johnson will be in Los Angeles. They didn't say if he had a house there, but will be there to take advantage of the early start to free agency.

If this report is true that means the Knicks clearly are not banking on LeBron and will settle for getting Joe Johnson and Amare. So much for D'Antoni not wanting Amare either.

What is interesting here is that you have 2 players in both Joe and Amare that people are saying are worth less then max contracts. You could be potentially dealing with 2 of those players. Not to mention that your fan base is going to expect you to get 2 of these guys if you don't get LeBron.

This off season is going to be fun.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If this report is true that means the Knicks clearly are not banking on LeBron and will settle for getting Joe Johnson and Amare. So much for D'Antoni not wanting Amare either.

What is interesting here is that you have 2 players in both Joe and Amare that people are saying are worth less then max contracts. You could be potentially dealing with 2 of those players. Not to mention that your fan base is going to expect you to get 2 of these guys if you don't get LeBron.

This off season is going to be fun.

they're sending "reps" to each house. i'm sure they're still hoping for lebron. but it would be stupid to "bank" on anyone FA in this market. have reps everywhere . . . just in case.

 

[Mainstreet]

If this report is true that means the Knicks clearly are not banking on LeBron and will settle for getting Joe Johnson and Amare. So much for D'Antoni not wanting Amare either.

What is interesting here is that you have 2 players in both Joe and Amare that people are saying are worth less then max contracts. You could be potentially dealing with 2 of those players. Not to mention that your fan base is going to expect you to get 2 of these guys if you don't get LeBron.

This off season is going to be fun.

I think if it comes down this way with NY, they fall way way short of building a franchise for the next 10 years which I think was their intent. Actually they are the old Phoenix Suns without Nash.

 

[Irish]

IIRC, Joe Johnson said discouraging words about Amare when he left for Atlanta?

 

[Mainstreet]

IIRC, Joe Johnson said discouraging words about Amare when he left for Atlanta?

I don't think it matters when both of these players are trying to grab the loot. I could so care less where Johnson goes although I thinking he has already packed for NY.

 

[hsandhu]

Joe Johnson in NYC has disaster written all over it. He was rattled in the playoffs by hawks fans getting on him.

 

[asudevil83]

Amare and JJ in NY will net them maybe 40 wins, and once again KILL their cap space for the next half decade. the dont have the talent to build a great team. what do they expect?

Amare/vet min
Chandler/vet min
Gallo/MLE
JJ/LLE
Dougles/vet min

i would absolutely love it.

and even if you could use Curry's contract to trade for some other overpayed mediocre fool, it'd screw them over even more. Does anyone think that Calderon or Okafor would thrive in NY. NY would break them.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Amare and JJ in NY will net them maybe 40 wins, and once again KILL their cap space for the next half decade. the dont have the talent to build a great team. what do they expect?

Amare/vet min
Chandler/vet min
Gallo/MLE
JJ/LLE
Dougles/vet min

i would absolutely love it.

and even if you could use Curry's contract to trade for some other overpayed mediocre fool, it'd screw them over even more. Does anyone think that Calderon or Okafor would thrive in NY. NY would break them.

Surround them with average talent and they win 55 games in the East, minimum. I've taken my shots at both Amare and JJ but it's because neither of them are as good as they seem to think they are. That said, they are both clearly top 30 players (Amare is top 15, maybe top 10) and 2 of them on the same team makes for a formidable opponent. I don't know about playoff success but they'd have plenty of regular season success.

Steve

 

[Covert Rain]

Surround them with average talent and they win 55 games in the East, minimum. I've taken my shots at both Amare and JJ but it's because neither of them are as good as they seem to think they are. That said, they are both clearly top 30 players (Amare is top 15, maybe top 10) and 2 of them on the same team makes for a formidable opponent. I don't know about playoff success but they'd have plenty of regular season success.

Steve

I think I agree. They are at least a 40+ win team with both JJ and Amare. Though I am not sure they get to 50 without a Nash type player.

In terms of playoffs though, I think we do know what will happen. Amare will go back to thinking defense isn't important and JJ will probably form bad defensive habits (despite being a good defender) under D'Antoni.

So, once they hit a team that does play defense in the playoffs, they will be done.

 

[cly2tw]

IIRC, Joe Johnson said discouraging words about Amare when he left for Atlanta?

He said, verbatim, "I was fed up with being Nash's decor on the corners". As Amare was the main culprit at receiving Nash's passes more than JJ back then, this could be indeed twisted as a veiled attack at Amare.

 

[TJ]

He said, verbatim, "I was fed up with being Nash's decor on the corners". As Amare was the main culprit at receiving Nash's passes more than JJ back then, this could be indeed twisted as a veiled attack at Amare.

And 99% of the basketball world laughed. I know you'll find every reason to throw Nash under the train, but even you believe that statement was udder crap. Right?

 

[cly2tw]

And 99% of the basketball world laughed. I know you'll find every reason to throw Nash under the train, but even you believe that statement was udder crap. Right?

It's not about criticizing Nash, my friend. It's about JJ felt his talent being under utilized. With Nash on the team, JJ wouldn't become the player he is now after going to Hawks. But if you let choose between either Nash or JJ on the team 5 years ago, I won't hesitate to take Nash over JJ.

You guys often think Nash were God and players like JJ should check their egos at the door, and be grateful to be selected as God's decor in the corners.

 

[Irish]

I had a different take on JJ charges. In 2004-05 there was a deliberate attempt to spread the ball around. Amare did have more field goal attempts than anyone else, but the average was pretty close:

Stoudemire 16.7
Marion 15.9
Johnson 14.4
Richardson 13.3
Nash 11,4

Marion shot 15.8 times, but 4.2 where for three which he hit only 33%
Richardson shot 13.3 times, but 8.0 were for three which he hit 35.8%. , JJ had a point when criticisng both.JJ took 4.5 three point shots, but hit 47.8%

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[leclerc]

JJ is a heck of a player but he's no Steve Nash. NASH RULES!

If we could have kept JJ at the time and dealt Marion that would have been great.

In any case I wish Amare and JJ all the luck where ever they end up and I have no hard feelings for the Knicks. It's been a long time since that little lefty point guard in the ugly shirt tried to swing at KJ.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Richardson shot 13.3 times, but 8.0 were for three which he hit 35.8%. , JJ had a point when criticisng both.JJ took 4.5 three point shots, but hit 47.8%
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I don't think he was justified in criticizing Richardson. There is nothing wrong with 36% from 3 point range and his threes were critical in the early offense and for spreading the court. He was a great acquisition for us until his back started affecting his play, especially his 3 point shot. He became reluctant to shoot from distance and it was that reluctance/hesitation that disrupted our offense, making him a liability and, consequently, expendable.

Steve

 

[Irish]

I don't think he was justified in criticizing Richardson. There is nothing wrong with 36% from 3 point range and his threes were critical in the early offense and for spreading the court. He was a great acquisition for us until his back started affecting his play, especially his 3 point shot. He became reluctant to shoot from distance and it was that reluctance/hesitation that disrupted our offense, making him a liability and, consequently, expendable.

Steve

IMHO Signing Q was a mistake. They passed on Turkoglu, who got an MLE (about $6 millon for his contract) but was a proven three point shooter (38.3% for his caree) who played defense. As the 2004-05 season went on, oppontnts began defensing him and he took increasingly bad shots. Q was better geared to play against opposing shooting guards as a post up guard. As it was, his back made it harder to do that.

I find it odd that people will praise Q, yet criticize Frye who shot 43% for three last season and 54.5% for thre against the Spurs The Spurs effectively shut Q down just as the Lakers shut down Frye.

 

[AzStevenCal]

IMHO Signing Q was a mistake. They passed on Turkoglu, who got an MLE (about $6 millon for his contract) but was a proven three point shooter (38.3% for his caree) who played defense. As the 2004-05 season went on, oppontnts began defensing him and he took increasingly bad shots. Q was better geared to play against opposing shooting guards as a post up guard. As it was, his back made it harder to do that.

I find it odd that people will praise Q, yet criticize Frye who shot 43% for three last season and 54.5% for thre against the Spurs The Spurs effectively shut Q down just as the Lakers shut down Frye.

Q was hurting physically for the last third of the season or so and as I mentioned earlier, he became a liability. I can see ripping the organization for signing him because of injury concerns but I think some people conveniently forget how valuable he was to us for the first half of the season.

The Spurs did not shut him down, he was down long before we faced the Spurs. As a matter of fact, Dantoni had to ride him repeatedly just to get him to take his 3 point shots because his confidence never returned following his back problems.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Q was hurting physically for the last third of the season or so and as I mentioned earlier, he became a liability. I can see ripping the organization for signing him because of injury concerns but I think some people conveniently forget how valuable he was to us for the first half of the season.

The Spurs did not shut him down, he was down long before we faced the Spurs. As a matter of fact, Dantoni had to ride him repeatedly just to get him to take his 3 point shots because his confidence never returned following his back problems.

Steve

As I recall the Suns wanted Q to be able to play inside and post up smaller players. His inability to do this was a major disappontment. The 3 point shot was supposed to complement his game. It's sort of ironic when I look back that the Suns finally found this type player in JRich.

 

[AzStevenCal]

As I recall the Suns wanted Q to be able to play inside and post up smaller players. His inability to do this was a major disappontment. The 3 point shot was supposed to complement his game. It's sort of ironic when I look back that the Suns finally found this type player in JRich.

I don't remember that at all. Q made a living off of posting up smaller players in college and then again as a Clipper. I might be misremembering here but I thought the team moved him to the perimeter at the start of the season and later on let him start doing a little post up. The only negative thing I remember the coach saying about him had to do with when he started backing off of his outside shots. It allowed the defense to get set and forced us to try and play a half court offense.

Steve

 

[mojorizen7]

I know ya'll were discussing old news QRich....

Back to the present.
Rag all you want on Joe but if you take off the goggles...
JJ>JRich

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[AzStevenCal]

I know ya'll were discussing old news QRich....

Back to the present.
Rag all you want on Joe but if you take off the goggles...
JJ>JRich

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Goggles on or goggles off, Joe Johnson is a better player than either Richardson. I'm not sure he's a better big moment player but, game in, game out he's just a better player in so many areas.

Steve

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's not about criticizing Nash, my friend. It's about JJ felt his talent being under utilized. With Nash on the team, JJ wouldn't become the player he is now after going to Hawks. But if you let choose between either Nash or JJ on the team 5 years ago, I won't hesitate to take Nash over JJ.

You guys often think Nash were God and players like JJ should check their egos at the door, and be grateful to be selected as God's decor in the corners.

lol, i thought it was a typo the first time, but the second time . . . ?

DecoY nor decoR

 

[AzStevenCal]

lol, i thought it was a typo the first time, but the second time . . . ?

DecoY nor decoR

Yeah, but JJ poses well so I can understand the confusion.

Steve

 

[Absolute Zero]

ESPN radio really has the rumors swirling today. A friend of mine just called to say he heard on there that Bosh and another (Jack?) were going to the Lakers in a sign and trade for Bynum and Lamar Odom.