ESPN rumer: Ravens make Cardinals an offer for Q

[Skkorpion]

Those are his cap charges to the Ravens which include his pro rated bonus money. If traded Heap's bonus is on the Ravens dime just like Boldins remaining bonus would be on ares. We would only have to pay Heaps base salary or any bonus or incentive on his deal he hasnt yet reached(which he doesnt have any).

Heap would cost us - 2009: $3.6 million, 2010: $4 million, 2011: $4.6 million

Good to know. Also, Heap is a local guy and might like to finish his career here. And finished is close to reality for him. After several years of his non-stop injury problems, I finally traded him off my fantasy team.

If he could stay healthy, he'd be a good addition. If not, we cut him. Or offer him a lesser deal in lieu of being cut.

 

[football karma]

just some perspective:

"Downside of career" -- Heap and Boldin are the same age. Both will be 29 this season.

"Injury prone" -- In eight NFL seasons, Heap has missed 20 games due to injury. In six NFL seasons, Boldin has missed 19 games due to injury.

 

[Totally_Red]

NFL Live

The show was primarily focused on the draft but touched briefly on Anquan. Michael Smith flat out said that no offers have been made to the Cardinals for Q, basically backing up what Rod Graves said yesterday. So this unsubstantiated rumor sounds very dubious to me.

On the roundtable at the end of the show Trey Wingo asked who is more likely to traded, Braylon Edwards or Anquan Boldin?

James Hasty and Marcellus Wylie said Edwards. Michael Smith said neither (is likely to be traded).

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I am wondering if a draft day deal is even possible if the acquiring team does not have a chance to do a physical on Q before hand. When you cough up a first-rounder and you don't like the physical, what recourse do you have? I know New England acquired Randy Moss for a 4th-rounder a couple years ago. But that trade was consummated on Saturday with Moss passing the Patriots physical before Oakland actually used the pick on Sunday.

 

[Gaddabout]

Guys, Heap was never a prototypical TE. He's more of a Shannon Sharpe type player, and I think the Cards would use him in more of an H-back role -- like Novacek for the Cowboys in the 90s. Heap could be better utilized than the Ravens have done.

I think it would better if the Cards could trade into the Top 10 and pick up Brandon Pettigrew. He's a true tight end and would dramatically improve the running game by sealing the edge. Doesn't look like anything like that is out there, but I'd pull the trigger if the Cards could get, say, Pettigrew and another 3rd-round pick.

 

[football karma]

I find it really interesting that a Ravens "insider" -- who apparently has just as much credibility as our Cardinal insider Mike Jurecki --- suggests maybe a first and Heap and McGahee.

This turns into a 1st and Heap- and has taken on a life of its own.

Makes me think this is just something that got started as speculation and is now being repeated as fact.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Those are his cap charges to the Ravens which include his pro rated bonus money. If traded Heap's bonus is on the Ravens dime just like Boldins remaining bonus would be on ares. We would only have to pay Heaps base salary or any bonus or incentive on his deal he hasnt yet reached(which he doesnt have any).

Heap would cost us - 2009: $3.6 million, 2010: $4 million, 2011: $4.6 million

"Ours is not to reason why. Ours is but to do and die".

 

[Skkorpion]

just some perspective:

"Downside of career" -- Heap and Boldin are the same age. Both will be 29 this season.

"Injury prone" -- In eight NFL seasons, Heap has missed 20 games due to injury. In six NFL seasons, Boldin has missed 19 games due to injury.

karma, you mislead unintentionally. Those games missed stats do not reflect all the games Heap was the dreaded "game time decision" and then did play ineffectively because of dings. Drove me nuts.

I homer-drafted him and wrongly stuck with him. Superior receiver. Gaddabout defined him well in his post above.

 

[uofi1998]

According to various, unsubstantiated reports the Ravens have made an offer to the Arizona Cardinals for Anquan Boldin. According to John Clayton of ESPN, the offer is the Ravens first round pick and Todd Heap.



Likely or no?

This is 2009 Todd Heap, or 2005 Todd Heap?

Nope. I wouldn't bite.

 

[az jam]

I would do the Heap deal if they would throw in another pick like a 5th round pick.

 

[binkar]

Where did Cgolden even get this? I have seen nothing anywhere that says anything about this deal ever being offered.

 

[Zeno]

Where did Cgolden even get this? I have seen nothing anywhere that says anything about this deal ever being offered.

Its on the ESPN.com site...

Here it is...

Talks between the Arizona Cardinals and the Baltimore Ravens involving Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin should be heating up over the next two days, and the direction is clear. The Cardinals want a first and third-round draft pick in exchange for Boldin. The Ravens are willing to give up a No. 1 pick but they won't give up a second draft choice in the deal. If the Cardinals would consider taking a player instead of the third-round choice, something could happen quickly. The likely player would be tight end Todd Heap. The former Arizona State star would help the Cardinals passing offense, giving the Cardinals a tight end capable of catching 60 or more passes. What isn't known is whether the Cardinals would consider Heap a good enough piece in the trade to make the deal. The Jets are also heavily involved in the Boldin talks.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

karma, you mislead unintentionally. Those games missed stats do not reflect all the games Heap was the dreaded "game time decision" and then did play ineffectively because of dings. Drove me nuts.

I homer-drafted him and wrongly stuck with him. Superior receiver. Gaddabout defined him well in his post above.

It seems to me that he has been a non factor the past two seasons and I think the Hit from AW was the beginning.

I would do the deal if they threw a fourth, but I would rather trade Q for picks, especially in light of the fact that the Chiefs are apparenly willing to accept a THIRD round pick as compensation for Tony Gonzales!!!!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

It seems to me that he has been a non factor the past two seasons and I think the Hit from AW was the beginning.

I would do the deal if they threw a fourth, but I would rather trade Q for picks, especially in light of the fact that the Chiefs are apparenly willing to accept a THIRD round pick as compensation for Tony Gonzales!!!!

That is the one thing I don't get. If Gonzo is on the block - and Haley is part of the decision making at least a little. And Wiz really wants a TE. And we do get multiple picks for Q....

Then we ABSOLUTELY should be sending one of those acquired 3rd rounders to get Tony G. I can't believe it hasn't even been mentioned anywhere. I would even be open to sending our late 2nd rounder and keeping 2 1's and 2 '3's.

That would take up some of missed Boldins production, no?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Q for Rice or McClain, Heap, and the 1st. Period.

Their first is way too low IMO.

I think the Jets will bite.

 

[CardLogic]

just like Boldins remaining bonus would be on ares.

Must be a conjunctive form of our_arse.

 

[lauraw]

Todd Heap used to really good and, it seems a fit for KW to utilize in the passing game losing Q; has he been injured to where we could use him like jerame urban or something; more like a wr than a TE..?

Anytimeuwant- why are you down on connor barwin? He has no Mamula in his Blood, guaranteed!

 

[Evil Ash]

I find it really interesting that a Ravens "insider" -- who apparently has just as much credibility as our Cardinal insider Mike Jurecki --- suggests maybe a first and Heap and McGahee.

This turns into a 1st and Heap- and has taken on a life of its own.

Makes me think this is just something that got started as speculation and is now being repeated as fact.

Whoever that Raven insider is, is an idiot. They'd have to cut players in order to make that trade. The Ravens have little cap space and the cap ramifications of the deal would be overwhelming.

A 1st this year, Heap and a conditional pick next year I could live with

 

[D-Dogg]

I don't like it, mostly because of where their first rounder is located.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

I don't like it, mostly because of where their first rounder is located.

Agree to a point. Hopefully the Cardinals can do better than this.

 

[1DS]

first and heap? yes i would do that. id rather have todd heap than a 3rd rounder that could be spent on another buster davis. just find a way to get another 5th round pick for next year or something. I want another hightower or breaston!

Or.... the 3rd we used on Adrian Wilso, Aeneas Williams, Darnell Dockett, etc.

Heap is 30 and injury prone. I'd like to have him on this team, but not at the expense of a 3rd rounder. Give me a 1st, Heap, and a 4th and I'd probably take that. I'd rather havea 1st and Rice.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Considering the Browns asked the Giants for their 1st and Kiawanuka in exchange for Edwards, the Cards should hold out for a better deal. Of course, the Giants countered with a 2nd and 5th rounder so it remains to be seen. At least the Ravens and Cards seem to be in the same ballpark.

 

[Jetstream Green]

for a 1st, Heap and even a third added...I would say no

draft picks are not a sure thing and Heap to me is hardly worth close to what Boldin offers

 

[Totally_Red]

Considering the Browns asked the Giants for their 1st and Kiawanuka in exchange for Edwards, the Cards should hold out for a better deal. Of course, the Giants countered with a 2nd and 5th rounder so it remains to be seen. At least the Ravens and Cards seem to be in the same ballpark.

If Braylon Edwards is worth the Giants first and Kiwanuka(sp.), Anquan Boldin is worth a first, third, and a conditional 2010 pick.

 

[bg7brd]

One of the reason Heap might be in the package is so the Raven's can lower their cap to make room for Boldin's new contract.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Must be a conjunctive form of our_arse.