ESPN rumer: Ravens make Cardinals an offer for Q

[Duckjake]

Or.... the 3rd we used on Adrian Wilson, Aeneas Williams, Darnell Dockett, etc.

Heap is 30 and injury prone. I'd like to have him on this team, but not at the expense of a 3rd rounder. Give me a 1st, Heap, and a 4th and I'd probably take that. I'd rather havea 1st and Rice.

10 years between really good third round selections.

Why do the Cards even need a TE they almost never throw to them. That's why Atlanta (and almost everyone in the stadium) was completely surprised by Whiz' call for the pass to Spach.

We should create a new position. The hybrid Guard. Just like the College DEs that switch to 3-4 OLB we could take a solid but undersized college guard and play him at TE. Richard Ohrnberger PSU maybe?

 

[Go Devils]

for a 1st, Heap and even a third added...I would say no

draft picks are not a sure thing and Heap to me is hardly worth close to what Boldin offers

A 1st and Heap is probably legit. Throw in a 3rd or a 4th and it’s a no brainer. Why the hate for Heap? He has played in an offense with NO QB and NO receivers his whole career. He and Fitz would help each other out the same way Fitz and Q did/do...

 

[joeshmo]

We should create a new position. The hybrid Guard. Just like the College DEs that switch to 3-4 OLB we could take a solid but undersized college guard and play him at TE.

He isnt undersized but we did do exactly that with Elton Brown last year, including the playoffs.

 

[Cards232]

I'm not sure I understand all this injury prone mantra when it comes to Heap. He's played all 16 games 3 out of the last 4 years, including last year. He's had 2 years in his career when he didn't play all 16 games other than his rookie year when he played in 12.

Frankly, all truth be told, Boldin is actually more injury prone than Heap, including last year. I'm not necessarily saying I'm for this trade, but let's get real about the injury nonsense.

Really, the question should be can Heap contribute in ways we need & is their offer good enough. I see the whole injury mantra as a red herring, especially given Boldin's history as of late.

 

[Mulli]

Are people using the games Bolding missed with a broken face last year when discussing whether Q is prone to injury?

I don't get it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Are people using the games Bolding missed with a broken face last year when discussing whether Q is prone to injury?

Hell, yeah. You shouldn't miss any more than 1 game with a broken face .

 

[Cards232]

Personally, I'm talking more about the games/camp time he's missed due to hammy & hip problems, playoffs included. Even some of the games he played in, he was limited b/c of those problems.

 

[Mulli]

Personally, I'm talking more about the games/camp time he's missed due to hammy & hip problems, playoffs included.

Please keep that under your hat until after the draft.

 

[Cards232]

Please keep that under your hat until after the draft.

LOL. I hear ya.

 

[joeshmo]

Are people using the games Bolding missed with a broken face last year when discussing whether Q is prone to injury?

I don't get it.

Is it any less of an injury then a ACL, Bum ankle, or Hamstring?

Not just a broken face can be called injury prone but when you combine them with everything else you can easily call it injury prone. Its just the way he plays, it comes with the territory.

 

[joeshmo]

I'm not sure I understand all this injury prone mantra when it comes to Heap. He's played all 16 games 3 out of the last 4 years, including last year. He's had 2 years in his career when he didn't play all 16 games other than his rookie year when he played in 12.

Frankly, all truth be told, Boldin is actually more injury prone than Heap, including last year. I'm not necessarily saying I'm for this trade, but let's get real about the injury nonsense.

Lets get real then. Playing all 16 games doesnt mean he wasnt injured. Read Skorps last post on the last page. He was not able to practice during the week last year, was on the injury report every week, and was game time decisions most of the weeks. Because of his injuries he was mostly ineffective, less athletic, and ill-prepared because he couldnt practice. And you can say that about most of his years in the NFL.

There is more to a story then games played or games started.

 

[English on tour]

I say yes. But I am biased.

I agree with the thinking of I would take Todd over the third round pick.

agree on the Heap over a 3rd rounder too.

I think it would depend on us then getting a idea if we cab couple picks and trade up for Moreno

 

[Mulli]

Is it any less of an injury then a ACL, Bum ankle, or Hamstring?

Not just a broken face can be called injury prone but when you combine them with everything else you can easily call it injury prone. Its just the way he plays, it comes with the territory.

So his face is prone to injury when he get slammed in the helmet by a helmet?

I still don't get it.

 

[joeshmo]

So his face is prone to injury when he get slammed in the helmet by a helmet?

I still don't get it.

His face isnt injury prone thats just silly. It isnt the body part that is injury prone it is the body.

Again, all alone it isnt injury prone. Add it to a list of all other injuries and it can easily be called injury prone.

Hip, Grion, Hamstring, Broken face, Knee. The guy has had 3 surgeries in 6 years. Regardless of how those injuries came about, that is injury prone.

Look at the whole picture not just a pixel.

 

[football karma]

Lets get real then. Playing all 16 games doesnt mean he wasnt injured. Read Skorps last post on the last page. He was not able to practice during the week last year, was on the injury report every week, and was game time decisions most of the weeks. Because of his injuries he was mostly ineffective, less athletic, and ill-prepared because he couldnt practice. And you can say that about most of his years in the NFL.

There is more to a story then games played or games started.

I agree there is more to the story.

last year Heaps receptions were down: 35 for the year. Tough to say whose fault that was -- rookie Qb, new offensive coordinator, Heap, or just being ahead alot and running the football?

His average per catch was 11.5 yards -- which is right on his career average.
So he may have been injured alot last year while still playing -- but it seemed he was just as effective per catch as he was over his career.

For comparison:

Tony Gonzalez, averaged 11.0 yards last year and has a career average of 11.9.

Dallas Clark: 11.0 last year / 12 career
Jason Witten: 11.8 last year / 11.5 career

So -- Heap for his career has produced when thrown the ball comparable to other upper tier tight ends.

 

[Mulli]

His face isnt injury prone thats just silly. It isnt the body part that is injury prone it is the body.

Again, all alone it isnt injury prone. Add it to a list of all other injuries and it can easily be called injury prone.

Hip, Grion, Hamstring, Broken face, Knee. The guy has had 3 surgeries in 6 years. Regardless of how those injuries came about, that is injury prone.

Look at the whole picture not just a pixel.

I don't think I am saying what you think I am saying. He is either prone to injury based on his body, his fitness level, and/or his style of play, right?

I don't see how his broken jaw fits into those categories. Should he have flinched and not gone up for the ball?

 

[Shane]

I don't think I am saying what you think I am saying. He is either prone to injury based on his body, his fitness level, and/or his style of play, right?

I don't see how his broken jaw fits into those categories. Should he have flinched and not gone up for the ball?

I agree 100%

 

[azsouthendzone]

Just make the deal already. Take Heap and their #1 and move the hell on.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

His face isnt injury prone thats just silly. It isnt the body part that is injury prone it is the body.

Again, all alone it isnt injury prone. Add it to a list of all other injuries and it can easily be called injury prone.

Hip, Grion, Hamstring, Broken face, Knee. The guy has had 3 surgeries in 6 years. Regardless of how those injuries came about, that is injury prone.

Look at the whole picture not just a pixel.

"Injury prone" (as in susceptible to an injury) in a crash sport like football strikes me as just plain silly.

Injury plagued, perhaps, but injury prone in a sport where injury is almost a natural by-product of play, again - is an imprecise term.

 

[joeshmo]

Debate is over. Just read Urbans latest bog about it. Cards/Wiz wants nothing to do with Heap for multiple reasons beyond injury and salary.

 

[binkar]

Debate is over. Just read Urbans latest bog about it. Cards/Wiz wants nothing to do with Heap for multiple reasons beyond injury and salary.

That might be a little strong. Though it may be true, Urban says he can't see why the Cardinals would want Heap, you can't take Urban's opinion, turn it into fact, and then claim it as Cards/Whiz words.

 

[joeshmo]

That might be a little strong. Though it may be true, Urban says he can't see why the Cardinals would want Heap, you can't take Urban's opinion, turn it into fact, and then claim it as Cards/Whiz words.

I can and I did.

 

[binkar]

I can and I did.

That's fine, but that doesn't make it accurate .

 

[Jetstream Green]

alright...if it might be the Ravens...why not their 1st, and Heap (bring him in, it can't hurt LOL)...AND their second pick next year

 

[Go Devils]

That might be a little strong. Though it may be true, Urban says he can't see why the Cardinals would want Heap, you can't take Urban's opinion, turn it into fact, and then claim it as Cards/Whiz words.

I hope the Cards never have a player of need that goes to ASU cuz they won't take him. The blood is bad between the school and the team. It was a painfully obvious need for a pass rusher when Suggs came out and they passed with the insane escuse that they graded him out as 3rd round talent. The same scouts that had Pace & Skillet Hands as 1st rounders. ahuh riiight...