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[RugbyMuffin]

What are those things? A mid-high draft pick in a draft sorely lacking in QB talent?

Two running backs who can't be relied on to start 3 games in a row?

The possibility of having an entire defensive staff forced on you?

Sounds like an awesome opportunity.

Yet, Whiz should have never been fired ?

The Cardinals are one of, if not the worst coaching opportunity out there in your opinion, yet I have to read about how Whiz is a good coach, and should be retained ?

Pick a lane K9. It can be the Cardinals suck for all other coaches, except if we kept Whiz, then things are currently fine in Cardinal land.

That makes no sense.

Either a good coach can turn this around cause the situation is not that bad, or the roster is a complete trash heap, and Whiz helped build that heap of trash.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Here is a breakdown on why Arizona is the worst head coaching situation out there...

1-There is not a GM in place. This has more to do with the head coach not knowing who they will have to work with to rebuild the team. Like it or not, coaches want people who they can work with and we have nothing to offer them in this regard, yet.

2-There is a current defensive staff already in place. Some of you view this as a plus, but it isn't. If Horton doesn't leave for another coaching gig, the head will be saddled with a defensive coordinator who will likely feel like he has been snubbed. Not an impossible scenario to work through, but not an inviting one either. Also, different head coaches have preferences in what style of defense their team runs. Horton's aggressive style could limit the number of candidates who are interested.

3-No QB on the roster, but two underachieving ones, and one of those with a huge salary. Oh yeah, and the owner wants to hear the coaches plan for how to use Kolb. Coaches get fired having good QBs on their roster, but we can't offer that and the draft offers no sure options either.

4-Two injury riddled RBs and the other two being free agents.

5-Three 2nd year offensive linemen, one OT coming off an injury, and three underachieving veterans who have prohibitive singing bonuses making them difficult to cut.

6-A defensive unit that has 8, maybe 9 players hitting free agency. Holliday, Eason, Groves, Lenon, Toler, Adams, R Johnson, James Sanders and possibly Kerry Rhodes are all potential free agents and we are tight in cap room. Not a great situation when combined with all of our offensive needs.

Yet, again, I have read for two days about how good Whiz was as a coach.

Strange, strange, strange.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Here is a breakdown on why Arizona is the worst head coaching situation out there...

1-There is not a GM in place. This has more to do with the head coach not knowing who they will have to work with to rebuild the team. Like it or not, coaches want people who they can work with and we have nothing to offer them in this regard, yet.

2-There is a current defensive staff already in place. Some of you view this as a plus, but it isn't. If Horton doesn't leave for another coaching gig, the head will be saddled with a defensive coordinator who will likely feel like he has been snubbed. Not an impossible scenario to work through, but not an inviting one either. Also, different head coaches have preferences in what style of defense their team runs. Horton's aggressive style could limit the number of candidates who are interested.

3-No QB on the roster, but two underachieving ones, and one of those with a huge salary. Oh yeah, and the owner wants to hear the coaches plan for how to use Kolb. Coaches get fired having good QBs on their roster, but we can't offer that and the draft offers no sure options either.

4-Two injury riddled RBs and the other two being free agents.

5-Three 2nd year offensive linemen, one OT coming off an injury, and three underachieving veterans who have prohibitive singing bonuses making them difficult to cut.

6-A defensive unit that has 8, maybe 9 players hitting free agency. Holliday, Eason, Groves, Lenon, Toler, Adams, R Johnson, James Sanders and possibly Kerry Rhodes are all potential free agents and we are tight in cap room. Not a great situation when combined with all of our offensive needs.

1. Not having a GM in place is not an issue. It can be a plus in the sense that the new HC may have some say in the GM. Reid for instance may bring Heckert aling with him.

2. Any coach who views horton as a minus would be totally stupid.

3. This is obviously the one major mins, the QB situation. But it also means the HC will get to pick his QB. I agree with Bidwill, not ready to give up on Kolb, especially coupled with Reid.

4. RBs arent great but will be much improved with a new line that we will surely see next year. A RB in the second or 3rd round can fix this issue.

5. Oline was far improved over the course of the season. With the 7th pick, Cards will have a chance to drastically improve the tackle or guard positions.

6. Whos hitting free aganecy? Everyone you just mentioned is far from irreplaceable. Rhodes will be back.

I see it this way:

First class recieving corps, maybe the best in the league.

A defense that was phenomenal and stats cant even show how good they really were considering how often they were on the field. Top 5 D IMO.

A great D coordinator already in place

An offense that, if healthy, and a couple more pieces could be a good one.

All depends about how you look at it. You can be a negative nelly with any team in the league. You could make the arguement that New England is a terrible place to coach because the weather is bad, tom brady is getting older, and their secondary is weak.

 

[Evil Ash]

The best open job is Carolina.
Next is Chicago
Then San Diego


Cardinals definitely are in the bottom 2.

Ron Rivera wasn't fired

 

[MrYeahBut]

4. RBs arent great but will be much improved with a new line that we will surely see next year. A RB in the second or 3rd round can fix this issue.

Haven't they already tried this? First round on one of them, no less

See: Wells, Chris--Williams, Ryan


.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Haven't they already tried this? First round on one of them, no less

See: Wells, Chris--Williams, Ryan


.

Who was drafting and coaching those backs?

 

[desertdawg]

I'm not saying it isn't close, but the facts are that Cleveland has Trent Richardson, Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Josh Gordon and Greg Little on offense and a decent QB in Brandon Weeden, but who ownership has said the next coach isn't locked into starting. They also have a young, and talented defense. Cleveland is one of the better spots if you ask me.

Buffalo is not great, but they have as many pieces as we have. Stevie Johnson and CJ Spiller are good offensive pieces to work with, ad the defense has under performed. A tough conference, but also a patient owner.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Who was drafting and coaching those backs?

I was not really disputing your point about fixing the RB situation with draft picks. My personal opinion is unless you have a sure thing I wouldn't draft one that high, that's all.


See: Peterson, Adrian.... oh wait



.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Ron Rivera wasn't fired

Ah for some reason I thought he was. Then Chicago is best as long as you can go 11-5

 

[kerouac9]

You technically make good points, but the inference you made was that no one would even consider us in comparison to those other teams. Whether we're best, second or third best or worst among the four, all four are fairly closely bunched together.

No. That's the inference you made. I accept your apology.

Yet, Whiz should have never been fired ?

The Cardinals are one of, if not the worst coaching opportunity out there in your opinion, yet I have to read about how Whiz is a good coach, and should be retained ?

Pick a lane K9. It can be the Cardinals suck for all other coaches, except if we kept Whiz, then things are currently fine in Cardinal land.

That makes no sense.

Either a good coach can turn this around cause the situation is not that bad, or the roster is a complete trash heap, and Whiz helped build that heap of trash.

Whis IMO shouldn't have been fired. Without Whis but with Horton, this isn't a good situation to come in to. If you'd continued with the current staff plus some tweaks/additions, we're likely to be competing more quickly.

A new GM/HC regime is more likely to upset everything. Maybe the new front office group doesn't like Patrick Peterson as much as the old one did. Maybe a new head coach prefers bigger linebackers; what does that do with Daryl Washington?

What I said was that this team was a good quarterback away from being competitive. Unfortunately, turning over the entire coaching staff means that it's more likely that we're going to be changing out a lot more pieces that just the quarterback.

There are times when a remodel of a kitchen is almost complete for one homeowner, but if the house sells or is foreclosed upon, the kitchen remodel is just starting.

 

[SECTION 11]

No. That's the inference you made. I accept your apology.




Whis IMO shouldn't have been fired. Without Whis but with Horton, this isn't a good situation to come in to. If you'd continued with the current staff plus some tweaks/additions, we're likely to be competing more quickly.

A new GM/HC regime is more likely to upset everything. Maybe the new front office group doesn't like Patrick Peterson as much as the old one did. Maybe a new head coach prefers bigger linebackers; what does that do with Daryl Washington?

What I said was that this team was a good quarterback away from being competitive. Unfortunately, turning over the entire coaching staff means that it's more likely that we're going to be changing out a lot more pieces that just the quarterback.

There are times when a remodel of a kitchen is almost complete for one homeowner, but if the house sells or is foreclosed upon, the kitchen remodel is just starting.

I kind of doubt that our new coach doesn't find a way to work with the two best players on the team. Maybe not, but I wouldn't bet on it. Maybe he (or she) won't like receivers with good hands and Fitz will have to find another role. Maybe management will start serving cabbage burgers and Tab cola at the concession stands. I dunno, it's possible I guess.

If you pick up a kitchen remodel midstream and your newly acquired appliances are Viking, you're probably not going to demand that your favorite lime green GE beauties make the back left corner of the U-Haul.

I'm usually hard pressed to find anything I disagree with in your posts but this one is unacceptable given your prior work. Please revise and resubmit.

 

[Mulli]

Ah for some reason I thought he was. Then Chicago is best as long as you can go 11-5

As long as the Bears don't miss the playoffs 5 of 6 years.

 

[kerouac9]

I kind of doubt that our new coach doesn't find a way to work with the two best players on the team. Maybe not, but I wouldn't bet on it. Maybe he (or she) won't like receivers with good hands and Fitz will have to find another role. Maybe management will start serving cabbage burgers and Tab cola at the concession stands. I dunno, it's possible I guess.

If you pick up a kitchen remodel midstream and your newly acquired appliances are Viking, you're probably not going to demand that your favorite lime green GE beauties make the back left corner of the U-Haul.

I'm usually hard pressed to find anything I disagree with in your posts but this one is unacceptable given your prior work. Please revise and resubmit.

The most obvious possibility is that the new coach wants to bring in his own defensive coordinator, who prefers to run a 4-3 defense. That means that we need a new rush defensive end, yes, but what it really hurts is our depth--Quentin Groves is no longer really an option, and O'Brien Schofield probably isn't, either. Different defenses have different preferences for safeties and cornerbacks; what do we do with William Gay, Justin Bethel, and Jameel Flemming?

You're right that the marquee players are going to find a role, but the middle half of your roster--that's some 40 guys going into training camp--are going to be completely re-evaluated, and more of those guys are going to need to be replaced. That costs time and money.

 

[Duckjake]

The most obvious possibility is that the new coach wants to bring in his own defensive coordinator, who prefers to run a 4-3 defense. That means that we need a new rush defensive end, yes, but what it really hurts is our depth--Quentin Groves is no longer really an option, and O'Brien Schofield probably isn't, either. Different defenses have different preferences for safeties and cornerbacks; what do we do with William Gay, Justin Bethel, and Jameel Flemming?

You're right that the marquee players are going to find a role, but the middle half of your roster--that's some 40 guys going into training camp--are going to be completely re-evaluated, and more of those guys are going to need to be replaced. That costs time and money.

I agree and disagree. 14 of the 22 starters on the 2008 SB team were on the 2006 team. Then of course CKW started replacing them with his guys and we had 3 years of losing. On the other hand around 32 players listed at profootball-reference as on the 2008 team weren't on the 2006 roster so a lot of depth players were replaced and the Cards still won.

 

[kerouac9]

I agree and disagree. 14 of the 22 starters on the 2008 SB team were on the 2006 team. Then of course CKW started replacing them with his guys and we had 3 years of losing. On the other hand around 32 players listed at profootball-reference as on the 2008 team weren't on the 2006 roster so a lot of depth players were replaced and the Cards still won.

Yeah, but still.

Honestly, I think it depends on whether or not we replace Whis with an equivalent or superior head coach/organization. While I have a lot of faith that we can replace the Graves regime with better talent evaluators, but I don't have similar faith that we can upgrade Whisenhunt on the sidelines.