Even the Spurs Summer Team Is Boring

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The Spurs aren't boring, I can think of at least a dozen playoff games they have participated in over their run that rival or surpass the excitement of any Suns game of the Nash era. However it's hard not to argue that the NBA Finals have been boring because the Eastern Conference representative is almost always overmatched.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

While i yearn for a championship for the suns, I would rather them have a dominant regular season and lose in the playoffs, than become sellouts and become boring just to win. Simply because, it wouldnt be the same team, i would see no point in continuing to root for the suns if they plays boring spurs style. Why not just buy a spurs foam finger?

I root for the suns spirit, intensity, and class, not for them to take drastic measures just to win something

Case in point, if you told me trading stat barbosa and nash for players X Y and Z would guarantee a championship I wouldnt do it.

 

[azirish]

The Spurs aren't boring, I can think of at least a dozen playoff games they have participated in over their run that rival or surpass the excitement of any Suns game of the Nash era. .

Games where both teams shoot under 40% and there are 60 foul shots even though not everything is called - IMHO that's boring even if the final score is close.

 

[pokerface]

pokerface successfully dodged the question if he thought the spurs were boring or not.

answering questions with questions for the win!

and he scores!

Well jeesh...If I were a Spurs fan I wouldnt be bored by it....would you?? It all depends on the perspective dont ya think?


Also, as a (your) team advances deeper in the playoffs it gets more exciting because the stakes are higher and because its YOUR team involved. Thats what some of you arn't grasping.


Some of you are acting like its some moral victory that the Suns play a more exciting type of ball....like you're grasping at some ways to look down at the Spurs...ANYTHING to look down at the Spurs. While on the surface level it may be a temperorary fix and be gratifying...deeper down we know these comments are made out of jealousy....We would be giddy if the Suns were winning the rings with all that "boring" baskerball.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Let's repeat the question, it seems he has forgotten.

Do you think the spurs style is boring?

not:
if you were a spurs fan would you find them boring?
are they your spurs?
do you admire their strengths?

 

[azirish]

Poke never answers the question. He just changes the subject to whether it is boring to their own fans.

So what?

I don't live in the Bay area and they didn't win the championship, but I was much more interested in their games than the painful stuff out of the east. I lived in Cleveland a while and the Cavs were the first team I ever got to see live, but IMHO even their wins were painful to watch. Their offense was just inept, which is why they had no chance in the finals.

Clearly the Spurs are more entertaining than the absolute crud that passes for Eastern Conference basketball. But the Spurs tyle is only marginally better. It is a style that is only entertaining to their own die hard fans which is a great way to have nobody outside of some small town in Texas want to watch.

A few years ago the NBA figured out that the trend toward slow down, grab and hold basketball was deadly. It was all islo plays and trying to get teams caught in illegal defense calls and was not attracting casual fans. So the rules committee changed the rules to encourage up tempo basketball. It worked and attendance has been up as reflected by the increase in the cap and MLE level.

It worked until the playoffs when the refs threw away the rule books and went back to the old "foul, what foul" style that was dragging the game into the mud. IMHO, if the Spurs won because they played better UNDER THE RULES, then I'd be unhappy but not feel cheated of not only wins but also of entertaining basketball.

Somehow being told that throwing out the rule book just because the Spurs fans like it doesn't actually cut any slack with me.

 

[Greg Popovich]

I am a Spurs fan.

As much as I love my team--yeah--have to admit--somimes they'r ekinda boring.

Especially the players--staying in their hotel rooms with their wives instead of goint to a strip club.

 

[pokerface]

Let's repeat the question, it seems he has forgotten.

Do you think the spurs style is boring?

not:
if you were a spurs fan would you find them boring?
are they your spurs?
do you admire their strengths?

How can I really judge that? If the Suns arn't involved or its not a Suns related game (aka standings) I'm more bored....thats with any team. If the Suns are involved or more is at stake then I'm more excitied. Yeah the Spurs arn't the showtime Lakers but if the Spurs lose and the Suns get into a championship then uhh I could get involved in or excited about a Spurs game.

A winning team creates its own level of excitement regardless of what style they play. If the Suns were winning and advancing deeper in the playoffs we would be excited not matter what their style. I already said the Suns are more exciting to watch than the Spurs but thats for more the one reason.

Its not exciting when the Suns lose critical games in the playoffs and walk away with no championship again.....

 

[SO91]

Heinson will just make up some unintelligible nickname for all of them anyway.

Careful sir, that will not get you a Tommy point

 

[Goldfield]

I think this thread is boring



j/k





Not really...

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think this thread is boring



j/k





really...

fixed that for you.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I think the not really was referring to the j/k

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think the not really was referring to the j/k

I think he was j/k about the j/k.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

thats what i said!

 

[Gaddabout]

Heinson will just make up some unintelligible nickname for all of them anyway.

Cornbread will tell Allen Ray to hit the grill and BBQ him a steak. And he will be prophetic, because this is exactly what Allen Ray will be doing in about 3 or 4 years.

 

[Covert Rain]

The Spurs aren't boring, I can think of at least a dozen playoff games they have participated in over their run that rival or surpass the excitement of any Suns game of the Nash era. However it's hard not to argue that the NBA Finals have been boring because the Eastern Conference representative is almost always overmatched.

You are on drugs then and your definition of excitement must be different then mine. I have seen games where the other team is over matched and the game is still more fun to watch then almost any Spurs game.

Well jeesh...If I were a Spurs fan I wouldnt be bored by it....would you?? It all depends on the perspective dont ya think?


Also, as a (your) team advances deeper in the playoffs it gets more exciting because the stakes are higher and because its YOUR team involved. Thats what some of you arn't grasping.


Some of you are acting like its some moral victory that the Suns play a more exciting type of ball....like you're grasping at some ways to look down at the Spurs...ANYTHING to look down at the Spurs. While on the surface level it may be a temperorary fix and be gratifying...deeper down we know these comments are made out of jealousy....We would be giddy if the Suns were winning the rings with all that "boring" baskerball.

No I think its you that is not grasping is what most people are saying. Again, you would be excited for your team. You would be cheering for your team and getting more excited the closer they get. That has nothing to do with the style of basketball your team plays. You can be excited for your teams accomplishments despite how boring they are.

Oh and thanks for the psycho analysis. I guess if your Spurs or any other team wins the title that completely absolves them of any criticism? They all of the sudden walk on water and can do nothing wrong right? I think if you remember correctly, people had the same opinion of the Spurs BEFORE they won the title. If it was a jealousy thing then people wouldn't have made such comments until after they won the title. The Spurs have had that reputation for years. That's OK though, "deeper down" we know what motivates your comments and constant negative comments about everything related to the Suns.

Would I be thrilled if the Suns won boring titles? Hell yes. However, that wouldn't stop me from wanting my championship team to be closer to the showtime Lakers then the San Antonio Spurs.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

You are on drugs then and your definition of excitement must be different then mine. I have seen games where the other team is over matched and the game is still more fun to watch then almost any Spurs game.

That's because you like most on this thread are myopic and pigeonhole themselves into seeing matters only from a pro-Suns point of view. There's more than one way to play basketball - running up and down the court and jacking up 3's is the Suns way and it serves them and many other teams in the past well, but playing defense and pounding the ball inside is another way teams have played for decades and it can be just as effective and well-played brand of basketball.

There's more "boring" ways that teams play every sport. Some baseball teams do it by pitching and manufacturing runs while others load their lineup with big hitters and hope to outsmash their opponent. Does that make the Yankees a better product than the Angels? Some football teams prefer playing conservative on offense and running the ball and playing defense while others like to air it out and blow out their opponents? Does that make Texas Tech and the St. Louis Rams a better product than West Virginia or the Pittsburgh Steelers?

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

yes?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

yes?

Well, you do admit that you'd rather play an up-tempo style and lose than play traditionally and win a championship so I'm not too surprised. Of anyone who should be questioned on their fandom it's probably you - are you going to stop being a Suns fan when Nash retires, D'Antoni leaves, and the Suns build a more traditional team based around Amare in the post? That time is going to come at some point, schematic offenses never last forever.

 

[Covert Rain]

That's because you like most on this thread are myopic and pigeonhole themselves into seeing matters only from a pro-Suns point of view. There's more than one way to play basketball - running up and down the court and jacking up 3's is the Suns way and it serves them and many other teams in the past well, but playing defense and pounding the ball inside is another way teams have played for decades and it can be just as effective and well-played brand of basketball.

There's more "boring" ways that teams play every sport. Some baseball teams do it by pitching and manufacturing runs while others load their lineup with big hitters and hope to outsmash their opponent. Does that make the Yankees a better product than the Angels? Some football teams prefer playing conservative on offense and running the ball and playing defense while others like to air it out and blow out their opponents? Does that make Texas Tech and the St. Louis Rams a better product than West Virginia or the Pittsburgh Steelers?

I think it's obvious there are more then one way to play basketball. To answer your question.....If they are both winning championships ....then yes. I think your confusing two different points. The Showtime Lakers were one of the most exciting teams of all time because they could win titles and still be exciting. Winning titles doesn't mean you have to be boring to do so. Now that's myopic. That's hardly a pro-Suns point of view.

Maybe you missed the part when I said, I would take a title with the Suns playing boring basketball. That doesn't mean I wouldn't rather the team accomplish the same feat playing more on the Showtime spectrum of things.

 

[buttsR4rebounding]

The reason the Spurs are considered boring is that they make the other team (including Phoenix) play boring basketball. The most exciting plays in the NBA on offense are generally considered drives to the basket for dunks or acrobatic layups and 3 pointers. The Spurs take these away from other teams and give them the mid-range jumper. Boring. On defense, the exciting plays are generally considered blocks and steals. While Duncan is definitely a shot blocking force, as a team the Spurs don't rank amoung the top of the league in either category. They stress making the other team shoot a mid range jumper that is at least somewhat contested and securing a high percentage of defensive rebounds. Boring. The Spurs offense is anything but boring. Tony Parker is the best in the league finishing at the rim and due to his size must make many acrobatic contortions to get off his shot. Manu Ginobili is an incredibly exciting player. Tim Duncan regularly makes shots in the paint that have a very high degree of difficulty. He is just so smooth that it looks like it is easy/boring. So it is really up to the other teams to raise their games to the point where they can systematically break the Spurs down for "exciting" dunks, etc.

 

[azirish]

The reason the Spurs are considered boring is that they make the other team (including Phoenix) play boring basketball. The most exciting plays in the NBA on offense are generally considered drives to the basket for dunks or acrobatic layups and 3 pointers. The Spurs take these away from other teams and give them the mid-range jumper. Boring. On defense, the exciting plays are generally considered blocks and steals. While Duncan is definitely a shot blocking force, as a team the Spurs don't rank amoung the top of the league in either category. They stress making the other team shoot a mid range jumper that is at least somewhat contested and securing a high percentage of defensive rebounds. Boring. The Spurs offense is anything but boring. Tony Parker is the best in the league finishing at the rim and due to his size must make many acrobatic contortions to get off his shot. Manu Ginobili is an incredibly exciting player. Tim Duncan regularly makes shots in the paint that have a very high degree of difficulty. He is just so smooth that it looks like it is easy/boring. So it is really up to the other teams to raise their games to the point where they can systematically break the Spurs down for "exciting" dunks, etc.

And I'm sure flopping has to be the most exciting play in basketball.

The Spurs "walk it up" and "take 23 second to shoot" style which generaged only 98.52 ppg (14th) is the most obvious aspect of why they are considered boring. For a team that has such a high shooting percentage (2nd in the NBA) to score below teams like Seattle, Milwaukee, and Chicago is a function of trying to slow the game to a crawl.

Some of it is that the Spurs do not have a team capable of playing a running game. While Parker and Manu are suited to it, most of the rest are not. They are despirate to avoid having Duncan running up and down the court. So while in 2004-05 WCF they ran because they knew how overmatched the Suns were, they have not tried to do that since.

Clearly they play the way they do because it works for them and the refs let them get away with grabbing and holding on defense. For people who just love the old Pat Riley thug ball basketball, this is really great. For people who think basketball should be more than that, it is just boring.

 

[pokerface]

Watching a team enforce its will on another team is not always boring....watching them play a calculated and effective type of ball can be intriguing.

 

[F-Dog]

Watching a team enforce its will on another team is not always boring....watching them play a calculated and effective type of ball can be intriguing.

Wow, football fans all over this forum today.

Apparently the Cards will be even worse than usual this year.

 

[pokerface]

That's because you like most on this thread are myopic and pigeonhole themselves into seeing matters only from a pro-Suns point of view.

By the sounds of them you'd think the Suns won it all