It did not matter who fell. We promised long before the draft what we were going to do.
Everybody's Unhappy With Round 2 Pick
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It did not matter who fell. We promised long before the draft what we were going to do.
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Really loving this draft. The RB position is broken and unreliable. The talent is there, but never got going. I think this is a great draft so far and love the BPA mentality. Now, if the Cards can only snag Jeremy Beale in the third...
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I did a mock draft on another forum (a music forum that has a huge sports subforum) and when i picked for the Cardinals in the second round, Mark Ingram was there and I took him with no hesitation. I hadn't paid any attention to Ryan Williams, but I actually am not surprised at this. As much as I love Beanie, his days are numbered.
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I am too sad to think about the what-ifs...
Ok Harris is off the board back to Houston and Mallett
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I think Beanie is odd man out as well. As upsetting as THT's fumbles are. I like the guy. He blocks, and picks up blitzes better than Beanie. I like Beanie too and think he is going to be a very good RB in this league, just not for AZ. Wasn't there a story about him being homesick when he first came to AZ? I think Beanie has some trade value and packaged with a pick, he could bring in a veteran QB when this lockout ends. I think he gets traded to Washington for McNabb.
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Who? NFP says he is a good receiver, ditto espn
I don't care. He isn't good enough that I would have traded Wells or Hightower and our 2nd pick in this draft for him.
Followed by another tweet "jk"
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You also have to throw in the fact that Whiz has mentioned that LSH is going to see more touches in the offense this year. So either the Cards are going to the wishbone or Wells is outta here. Whiz has a man crush on Hightower, he's going nowhere.
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Bruce Carter
Marvin Austin
Kyle Rudolph
Akeem Ayers
Titus Young
Stephen Paea
Justin Houston
Martez Wilson
Kenrick Ellis
even Brooks Reed, who I don't like.
There's 10 guys I think fit better on the Cards than Williams. I know some were 3rd rounders but I'd still rather have them than Williams.
I would have just liked to have seen a player in any position of need, which is just about everything except RB (and CB)!
I really thought it was going to be an OLB and would have been happy with Reed, Ayers, Houston or some lesser known guys and just had faith that our scouting dept knew more then I did.
But a RB? IF it had been Ingram or someone that was obviously a huge value I could have even accepted it, but Williams was no great value according to most "experts".
This pick would have been logical if we were a team in need of a RB but we basically need everything but.
I also would have understood other positions like OT, OG, QB, DE, NT, even WR.
I think the part that really sticks in my kraw is that this is basically saying our 1st round pick from 2 years ago (Beanie) was another early round bust. But we should trust their evaluation this time, 'cause now they really know what they are doing??!!
I really thought it was going to be an OLB and would have been happy with Reed, Ayers, Houston or some lesser known guys and just had faith that our scouting dept knew more then I did.
But a RB? IF it had been Ingram or someone that was obviously a huge value I could have even accepted it, but Williams was no great value according to most "experts".
This pick would have been logical if we were a team in need of a RB but we basically need everything but.
I also would have understood other positions like OT, OG, QB, DE, NT, even WR.
I think the part that really sticks in my kraw is that this is basically saying our 1st round pick from 2 years ago (Beanie) was another early round bust. But we should trust their evaluation this time, 'cause now they really know what they are doing??!!
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Nobody cares what single fans think. The Cards had him #15 on their overall board and analysts like Mayock agree that he was the best player on the board, game breaker, some think he is better than Ingram and would have been a lock for the first round if not for the harmstring injury.
I think I'll take that some some fans saying he is not even a 3rd round pick or crying how we should have possibly reached for a 3rd round LB.
Some people will always be unhappy. Draft for need they cry about Adrian Peterson, draft for BPA they cry about needs or how other players were better and everyone else is incompetent.
RB was only not a position of need because the Cardinals had players for the position although Fumbletower is RFA and might not even be back with the team. RB was a need because Fumbletower/Beanie did not produce. Throw in that Fumbletower might leave and that every team needs 2 good RBs and clearly it was a need so obviously you don't pass on the #15 rated player on your board at #37.
I think I'll take that some some fans saying he is not even a 3rd round pick or crying how we should have possibly reached for a 3rd round LB.
Some people will always be unhappy. Draft for need they cry about Adrian Peterson, draft for BPA they cry about needs or how other players were better and everyone else is incompetent.
RB was only not a position of need because the Cardinals had players for the position although Fumbletower is RFA and might not even be back with the team. RB was a need because Fumbletower/Beanie did not produce. Throw in that Fumbletower might leave and that every team needs 2 good RBs and clearly it was a need so obviously you don't pass on the #15 rated player on your board at #37.
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being rated 15 is the problem. If the Cards had him the 15th best player in the draft, then they need a revampng of the scouting dept.
Our running game doesn't produce, I wouldn't put that all (or even mostly) on the RB's.
I think we have a line that doesn't open holes. I'm not sure if that's because the play calling is poor or the lack of a credible pass attack.
Probably a combo of all of them.
I just don't believe this guy is awesome enough to come in and make up for our other deficiencies.
As far as the "except for his injuries' thinking. Andre Wadsworth was awesome except for his injuries.
In my opinion, you don't take a RB (when it isn't huge area of need and you do have other HUGE area's of need) in the early 2nd round, with injury and fumbling concerns, unless he's the second coming of Emmit Smith or something.
I think we have a line that doesn't open holes. I'm not sure if that's because the play calling is poor or the lack of a credible pass attack.
Probably a combo of all of them.
I just don't believe this guy is awesome enough to come in and make up for our other deficiencies.
As far as the "except for his injuries' thinking. Andre Wadsworth was awesome except for his injuries.
In my opinion, you don't take a RB (when it isn't huge area of need and you do have other HUGE area's of need) in the early 2nd round, with injury and fumbling concerns, unless he's the second coming of Emmit Smith or something.
Agree totally. I jumped off the couch when he was announced. Looks like a retooling is taking place. I like this more than I disliked the Chris Wells pick, by far. I thought he was the best back in the draft.
I was expecting Mallet to be taken by Cards in this slot.
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Because you and some draft websites know it better right?
I'll take the Cards opinion and Mayock for instance as more credible sources.
Mayock maybe.
As for the Cardinals, well they proven their opinion isn't any more credible than the average fans.
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I kind of consider the friend of mine who's a scout for Jax pretty reliable. People give Mayock waaayyy too much respect around here. He's really no different than Kiper other than he uses more technical terms, which makes him sound smarter, because he played in the NFL.
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You haven't watched the presser before making this post because it's obvious Whiz and RG don't agree with Williams comment.
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i dont think williams didnt say the true..thats mean they have planned before to get a running back earlier in this draft,i know they had also taiwan jones for a visit here,i guess even if there is the lockout they had talk with some team..a trade has been made..think about cincinnati they have just one running back right now because cedric benson is a free agent.so why they didnt take a running back earlier..was a need for them ..so why??
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Because the Cards drafting record in recent years has been so great? Oh, and Mayock liked the kid as BPA right there, maybe, but clearly didn't have him listed top-15.
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Watch the presser and then tell me what you think. If your mind doesn't change and you continue to read tea leaves then so be it. I'm not sure what the Bengals have to do with this.
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More unhappy with the 3rd rounder but the reason I don't like the pick is because the new model in the NFL is the success of the late round RB's. You could have take Roy Helu in Round 4 or some other decent back later and they probably could end up starting for you. We really needed to address either the OL, QB or OLB/DE with that pick. I would have went either Brooks Reed/Justin Houston/Ryan Mallett/Orlando Franklin.
