EVT: Marion's whining wearing thin on Suns

[JCSunsfan]

Marion for Artest, Brad Miller and a 1st

 

[jandaman]

Unless the Suns become willing to trade for playable depth. Miami seems to me like a team that wants high level players and will fill out the rest of their depth however they can. Marion and Banks for Haslem, Williams and Wright seems like a trade that addresses problems for the Suns and the Heat.

- The Heat would have three legitimate stars. They could trot out a starting lineup of Parker, Wade, Marion, Walker and Shaq.

- The Suns would have a dirty work power forawrd who can hit jump shots, a down-the-line wing and a point guard who actually fits the system as a back up.

- The Suns would save 13 million dollars after the season, save 5 million dollars in salary this season, plus the luxury tax money, which saves them an additional 5 million.

- I honestly think that if Williams was given the freedom to play his true, risk-reward style of play off the bench for the Suns, he'd be very effective. He's only needed to play 15 minutes per game off the bench, which would mean that Nash's minutes would cut down to 33 a game.

- They'd have a smart, big defender to go against the best opposing post player, and the Suns would have 3 big men who are capable of playing 30-40 minutes a night at power forward or center. Also, I think Diaw and Haslem would work very well together on the floor.

- Everyone has clearly defined roles. Nash is the leader. Stoudemire is the finisher and go-to scorer. Bell is the perimeter defender/shooter. Hill is the utility knife. Haslem is the post defender. Barbosa is the bench spark. Diaw is the game changing forward/center off the bench. Williams is the streaky, kind of crazy, can take over the game or be put back on the bench back up point. Am I crazy, or can that team beat San Antonio and Dallas? Haslem did a great job on Dirk in the finals, he can probably be serviceable against Duncan. Sure, we have no one to guard Parker, but we don't have that with our current team. Maybe Strawberry can do it. Who knows? But the Spurs have no one to guard Stoudemire.

Lineup
Nash/Williams/Barbosa
Bell/Barbosa
Hill/Bell/Tucker
Haslem/Diaw
Stoudemire/Diaw/Marks

If the Suns manage to add PJ Brown, they'd have a legitimate 9 player rotation of Nash, Bell, Hill, Haslem, Stoudemire, Barbosa, Diaw, Williams and Brown. There's also the hope that someone from Marks/Tucker/Strawberry could be helpful in injury situations.

Marion for Haslem basically...

so basically Marion for a young Kurt Thomas...
We had a player like Haslem 2 months ago... along with Marion.

That didnt do too well either...

so we lose Marion and add Haslem....

Only makes sense if Marion stays and Haslem comes in... maybe Diaw for Haslem... would make sense... but not losing Marion....


again, Thomas would of really helped the Suns, just that not within the Suns system.
In a half court scrimmage, I think he would of helped a lot. But D'Antoni's coaching only works well with everyone running. Haslem does not have the tools to be an uptempo player... Gooden, K.Mart(b4 surgery), Villanueva, KG, Bosh, etc those players wouldbe suitable.. but Haslem is a half court styled player.

 

[jandaman]

Marion for Artest, Brad Miller and a 1st

another person who sees it.. hehe

Depends on how Peja plays for them this season I think.

NO management would definitely want to pair up Marion with Paul.

Marion becomes the legit second man option, with David West being the inside player at the PF spot. They'll have a hole in the middle. But Marion adds in a scoring capability that chandler doesnt have.


Again, if Peja starts to play well, I think they'll want to keep Chandler.

How about for Peja and David West?
Peja can play the SF/PF combo... and West can fill the PF/C spot... but defense is completely out the window...

Artest and Brad Miller works... Sac still remains exciting, playoff talks with Bibby/Martin/Marion/Thomas/Hawkes.

if Artest can be convinced to behave for one championship run.. its worth it.
Brad Miller would do well, he is skilled, soft, but he will be good with Suns system.

 

[panfolk]

fordronken- that was the best trade scenario I've seen in awhile.

I'd still prefer AK though. I could see his or Amare's blocks increasing depending on the assignment as AK would really be a 4 here. Wouldn't step on Hill's or Nash's remaining glory days, and as long as he was healthy I think he'd post a career year across the board. I've always enjoyed AK's game. That said if we could ditch Banks and acquire Millsap and take on Harpring I think we'd get
best depth in trade for Marion.

 

[cly2tw]

Welcome to the Trade-Marion bandwagon, again, everybody!

 

[elindholm]

Welcome to the Trade-Marion bandwagon, again, everybody!

Hey, when one of my fantasy teams, which I called the Trade Marion Bandwagon, won the championship in a 20-team league last year, I knew I was on to something.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Welcome to the Trade-Marion bandwagon, again, everybody!

Marion does it to himself. Its not about his play on the court, its about his pouting off of it.

Maybe he likes all the attention, even if it is trade rumors.

 

[jandaman]

Again, I'm still want to keep Marion unless any trades that "really" make this team as good as it can be.

How about...

Marion + Banks

for

Bargnani + Calderon + Delfino + Nestorovic


Basically, Suns go International!. Bargnani has the potential to be a Dirk-type. C/PF/SF 20ppg/8rpg outside threat. Calderon is Nash's backup and future play maker. Delfino adds more shooting, Nestorovic adds in a big player who can defend the post and can body up Duncan.

It works in RealGm.


Again, I rather keep Marion, he is such a unique player, its so hard to find the perfect trade for him, because what he brings in is atleast equal 2 Semi-Stars one good at offense, the other good at defense.. both decent rebounders.

But Bargnani has a potential to be a Dirk-type.... Dirk is the perfect center for D'Antoni and with Nash and Amare.

 

[elindholm]

For what POSSIBLE reason would the Raptors trade Bargnani?

Seriously, try to put some thought into your scenarios.

 

[jandaman]

because at this point and in the next 2 seasons, Marion > Bargnani... and Marion + Bosh + Ford makes them top 4-5 in the east. Bargnani is not the defender Marion is... and Bryan Colangelo always liked Marion... and I've always thought Bargnani as perfect Center for Suns...

 

[elindholm]

Right, okay, glad to see you've thought it through carefully.

 

[azirish]

Unless I'm missing something, I don't see any team trading value for Marion without some clear understanding about how much an extension would cost. For me, that makes a Raptor deal seem unlikely.

IMHO, the only reason an AK deal "works" is if the Jazz want out of that contract with runs two years longer than Marion's, making it a long haul salary dump. I'm not convinced the Suns want to do a deal, but if they decide that Marion is going to be a problem, things could change.

 

[cly2tw]

Hey, when one of my fantasy teams, which I called the Trade Marion Bandwagon, won the championship in a 20-team league last year, I knew I was on to something.

I hope that's a good kind of omen. So, let's do the inevitable and obvious, Suns!

 

[cly2tw]

Unless I'm missing something, I don't see any team trading value for Marion without some clear understanding about how much an extension would cost. For me, that makes a Raptor deal seem unlikely.

IMHO, the only reason an AK deal "works" is if the Jazz want out of that contract with runs two years longer than Marion's, making it a long haul salary dump. I'm not convinced the Suns want to do a deal, but if they decide that Marion is going to be a problem, things could change.

That's reason enough for them to trade AK for nothing. As it is, AK is not an essential part of Utah but got paid the highest money. Marion won't either but his contract is two years shorter, 3 if he opts out. Actually, both the Suns and Jazzs would benefit from replacing their problem kid with a MLE kind of player plus some more useful depth. So, both do for financial reasons. Suns want immediate relief plus ridding of Banks, Jazzs get long time relief and a slightly better player in Marion and a potentially useful though by 2mil or so overpaid PG in Banks. Mutually beneficial, let's just get it done and over with!

 

[dodie53]

just trade marion..