Suns @ Kings Wednesday game thread, November 13th, 2024

[95pro]

We suck again!

 

[Mainstreet]

To be fair they're the only 3 centers the Suns have.

The team desperately needs a C/PF or PF/C..

I have some hope that Okogie might have some trade value. He's making $8.25m this year, unguaranteed next season but can be picked up for $7.75m.

What's the saying, three strikes and you are out. I wasn't counting on Oso this season.

James Jones needs to fix the 4/5 position like he did the point guard position.

 

[BirdGangThing]

i don't know where this confidence from dunn is coming from but i think it's infectious with the other young players - because they are oozing it too

 

[Hoop Head]

i don't know where this confidence from dunn is coming from but i think it's infectious with the other young players - because they are oozing it too

It's the pink backpack Beal gave him. No other possibility.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

d-lee tradable or nah? valuably speaking

not if tyty is playing infront of him?

Zero value

 

[Germz249]

Alright.. who here didn’t follow their routine??

I am just going to say it was injuries..

 

[Hoop Head]

Alright.. who here didn’t follow their routine??

I am just going to say it was injuries..

Injuries didn't help. I don't think they made that much of a difference though. The Kings were without Monk and DeRozen only played the first half. Losing a player in game is typically harder to overcome since you can gameplan for someone not being available. Having to switch things up halfway through in a way that allows you to keep playing well is harder.

The main issue was the Suns defense that allowed fhe Kings to shoot 64% from the field and 54% from 3. The only reason the score wasn't incredibly lopsided is the Suns 19 offensive rebounds. That kept it within 30 points. The Suns still shot a paltry 37% overall and 30% from 3. They also shot 73% from the FT line. Those shooting splits will almost always lead to a loss.

 

[BirdGangThing]

freaKING sacramento man - we just barely changed it but they got our number somehow - they're going to be a problem

 

[Covert Rain]

freaKING sacramento man - we just changed it but they got our number somehow - they're going to be a problem

We were without 2 of our big 3 plus Grayson. I don't put much stock in this game.

 

[Mainstreet]

We were without 2 of our big 3 plus Grayson. I don't put much stock in this game.

The Kings were short Malik Monk and DeMar DeRozan for a good part of the game.

Other than the Suns were playing the second game of a back-to-back, I don't offer any excuses for their poor play.

 

[Covert Rain]

The Kings were short Malik Monk and DeMar DeRozan for a good part of the game.

Other than the Suns were playing the second game of a back-to-back, I don't offer any excuses for their poor play.

That's a fair point but there isn't an team in the league that can lose 2/3rds of it's system plus their best 3 point shooter and be expected to play on the same level.

 

[Mainstreet]

That's a fair point but there isn't an team in the league that can lose 2/3rds of it's system plus their best 3 point shooter and be expected to play on the same level.

I'm always remember when the Heat were extremely shorthanded several seasons back and came to Phoenix and destroyed the Suns.

IMO, Phoenix had such an opportunity last night and didn't seize the moment.

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm always remember when the Heat were extremely shorthanded several seasons back and came to Phoenix and destroyed the Suns.

IMO, Phoenix had such an opportunity last night and didn't seize the moment.

Did they miss an opportunity? Sure. However, if your expectations are the same as when the team is at full strength they might be out of whack a bit. I am just hoping they hold serve enough until people get back.

 

[Mainstreet]

Did they miss an opportunity? Sure. However, if your expectations are the same as when the team is at full strength they might be out of whack a bit. I am just hoping they hold serve enough until people get back.

I always expect the Suns to play hard and as a team.

They had the Kings on the ropes in the second half, even took the lead and let them off the hook.

 

[Covert Rain]

I always expect the Suns to always play hard and as a team.

They had the Kings on the ropes in the second half, even took the lead and let them off the hook.

I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. The team looked exhausted coming off a back to back, playing guys that were not part of the rotation and looked confused. The rotations were obviously thrown off and it impacted what they wanted to do. I didn't see a bunch of guys not playing hard but that is just me.

 

[Mainstreet]

I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. The team looked exhausted coming off a back to back, playing guys that were not part of the rotation and looked confused. The rotations were obviously thrown off and it impacted what they wanted to do. I didn't see a bunch of guys not playing hard but that is just me.

If the Suns bought into the philosophy they were tired, they were beaten before the game began.

I thought some of this was going on, but that's only me.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Ughhhh was bit bummed to post after big loss l.n....

Hope suns rebound n gm and dont hit a bad skid with no kd few weeks

Still a good start to season of course theres gonna be bunps bef poffs better to fix issues early

 

[Covert Rain]

If the Suns bought into the philosophy they were tired, they were beaten before the game began.

I thought some of this was going on, but that's only me.

I don't think being tired has anything to do with philosophy. Neither does patchwork rotations. Honestly, this game doesn't mean anything to me. I have ridden so many high and lows with this team the past few years that I am not going to overreact about the great start and I am not going to get bent over a loss like this. I have learned my lesson. It's too stressful.

If there was one area that I am starting to get concerned about? It's Book but it's also early and he was sick.

 

[1tinsoldier]

the past 2 games are a good example of Booker's value. He has to be hot for us to get our money's worth out of his super-max salary. Most superstars have at least one attribute you can't fully negate. Size, strength, agility, speed, smart under pressure, elite defensive ability. KD, for example, can always fall back on his length to get off a good shot. Booker has many skills but he can be contained with a double and forced into errors. And teams know it.

When he's hot he does look like a superstar. But, imo, he's a star not a team's #1. Book was 1b with CP3 because CP3 made everyone better. But with KD, Book's a solid 2. On team USA, he was valued as a starting role-player. A solid 5 playing alongside alpha-dogs.

 

[Yuma]

To be fair they're the only 3 centers the Suns have.

The team desperately needs a C/PF or PF/C..

I have some hope that Okogie might have some trade value. He's making $8.25m this year, unguaranteed next season but can be picked up for $7.75m.

Keep hitting those threes Josh!!

 

[Suns_fan69]

I'm not going to get too hung up on a game where TyTy Washington got legitimate rotation minutes because of injuries and second night of a back2back. And that's not to besmirch Washington, he did a much better job being the microwave off the bench guy than Damion Lee.

I missed bits and pieces of the game, but don't think we've yet seen a O'neale, Okogie and Dunn wing lineup yet. I still want to see that defensive wrecking ball be unleashed!

 

[CardNots]

the past 2 games are a good example of Booker's value. He has to be hot for us to get our money's worth out of his super-max salary. Most superstars have at least one attribute you can't fully negate. Size, strength, agility, speed, smart under pressure, elite defensive ability. KD, for example, can always fall back on his length to get off a good shot. Booker has many skills but he can be contained with a double and forced into errors. And teams know it.

When he's hot he does look like a superstar. But, imo, he's a star not a team's #1. Book was 1b with CP3 because CP3 made everyone better. But with KD, Book's a solid 2. On team USA, he was valued as a starting role-player. A solid 5 playing alongside alpha-dogs.

excellent post

 

[95pro]

I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. The team looked exhausted coming off a back to back, playing guys that were not part of the rotation and looked confused. The rotations were obviously thrown off and it impacted what they wanted to do. I didn't see a bunch of guys not playing hard but that is just me.

This is what I was saying during the game.

I don't think being tired has anything to do with philosophy. Neither does patchwork rotations. Honestly, this game doesn't mean anything to me. I have ridden so many high and lows with this team the past few years that I am not going to overreact about the great start and I am not going to get bent over a loss like this. I have learned my lesson. It's too stressful.

If there was one area that I am starting to get concerned about? It's Book but it's also early and he was sick.

I am not concerned as much about Book as I am compared to KD and Beal. KD's same calf is injured, the same one before the olympics. Beal is a walking timebomb imo, although some injuries can't be avoided, i think he's been kicked twice this year? Knee and calf.

 

[Covert Rain]

This is what I was saying during the game.



I am not concerned as much about Book as I am compared to KD and Beal. KD's same calf is injured, the same one before the olympics. Beal is a walking timebomb imo, although some injuries can't be avoided, i think he's been kicked twice this year? Knee and calf.

I didn't mean to overlook KD or Beal. It's just I have come to expect both of them being injured at some point.

 

[95pro]

I didn't mean to overlook KD or Beal. It's just I have come to expect both of them being injured at some point.

It would be real concerning if it was KD's right calf rather than his left calf. But I'm still concerned since it re-occurred on the left calf in less than 6 months. Maybe over compensating? idk