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As the 40th Suns season tips off tonight in Seattle, a source in the Phoenix organization said the brain trust is “95 percent committed” to moving forward with the team on the floor — confident a motivated Marion won’t be a distraction and that the addition of Grant Hill and the further maturation of a team still in its prime will tip the scales and leave theSuns the last team standing.

The coach isn’t expecting any upgrade or reinforcements, and doesn’t see the need.

“I always felt that this was the team we would go with,” D’Antoni said. “We’re really happy with it. We think we’re better than last year and that’s about all an organization can do.”

But that remaining five percent of indecision is still on the table. And currently, that all revolves around Kobe — and the possibility of Phoenix acting as either a facilitator in a deal that would land Bryant in Chicago or, in an even further long shot, put Bryant in aSuns uniform.

The Lakers-Bulls talks have stalled due to Chicago’s refusal to part with Luol Deng in any deal involving Bryant — leading to the likelihood a third team is now necessary to solve the impasse.

The Suns and Bulls have talked within the past 48 hours, with three-way possibilities the primary topic.

If the Lakers can’t get Deng along with Ben Gordon, would they take Marion and Gordon? That might fetch Phoenix two young players they are known to have coveted (Tyrus Thomas and Thabo Sefolosha), a veteran banger (P.J. Brown) and a draft pick.


Such a deal would give the Suns young talent and financial flexibility. But, by trading Marion, how do you convince fans that you aren’t slamming the championship window shut as Nash closes in on his 34th birthday?

Then there is the longest of shots. If the Lakers and Bulls can’t get a deal done and the situation in Los Angeles gets uglier — Kobe was booed by Staples Center fans before Tuesday’s opener — does the idea of sending Bryant within their own division to Phoenix (with Marion, Leandro Barbosa and Atlanta’s 2008 first-round pick the major chips in play) become palatable if it’s simply the best deal available?

The overwhelming sentiment is, the Suns you see today are the Suns you’ll get — at least until the February trade deadline looms.

Many critics argue Phoenix is “built for the regular season,” with seven players set to play between 27 and 37 minutes at a pace that make the heads of teams with no time to adjust or prepare spin wildly. And perhaps that’s the idea: Ride this team and its seven front-line players through the bulk of the regular season, then reload and reconfigure when the dynamics change in the playoffs.

With Marion, Amaré Stoudemire and Boris Diaw the only three trustworthy front-line players left following the cost-cutting trade of Kurt Thomas in July, Phoenix may well keep the core intact and seek to add some size — someone younger and better than Brown with a bottom-line price tag that won’t push it too far over the looming luxury tax threshold.

“Who knows what this team will look like by the end of the season,” Nash said. “The deadline is four months away. You never know what can happen.”

www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/100940
 
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does the idea of sending Bryant within their own division to Phoenix (with Marion, Leandro Barbosa and Atlanta’s 2008 first-round pick the major chips in play) become palatable if it’s simply the best deal available?
This is what a lot of us have been saying. Forget the division rival crap, we gave them Horry for Ced and he was a big reason they won those 3 rings. The Lakers will have to take the best deal even if it is from the Suns. The Suns are the only team that can give the Lakers great pieces and still compete for the title. The Bulls can match the Suns offer but I think Suns+Kobe has a much better chance at a championship than Bulls+Kobe.
 

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Hopefully jerry brown didn't just throw this in there, and he has a belief that the suns would be willing to do marion/barbosa/atl for kobe.

There is very little chance the lakers are willing to trade to us, but my fear is actually that the suns wouldn't be willing to do marion/barbosa/atl for kobe. Whatever the reason, whether it be financial (trade kicker) or their stubbornness that they are happy with this team, I actually have a bad feeling the suns wouldn't be willing to make a deal that who knows, may present itself.
 

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Hopefully jerry brown didn't just throw this in there, and he has a belief that the suns would be willing to do marion/barbosa/atl for kobe.

There is very little chance the lakers are willing to trade to us, but my fear is actually that the suns wouldn't be willing to do marion/barbosa/atl for kobe. Whatever the reason, whether it be financial (trade kicker) or their stubbornness that they are happy with this team, I actually have a bad feeling the suns wouldn't be willing to make a deal that who knows, may present itself.

I'm pretty sure the Suns would do that if not for the financial gain they would have from adding a player like Bryant.

But the only way the Lakers would do this is if they had no other choice, and that option won't officially present itself until next season's trade deadline, not now when they still have Kobe under contract for at least two more years.
 

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If Kobe averaged 12 rpg I would jump for joy. Until then, this trade looks great until you see we are "still" soft in the frontcourt.

Sarver would have to bite the bullet and realize the extra revenue gained from Kobe being here would allow him to use one of the TEs and grab a big of some sort. Or buy a court order to tear PJ away from his family and plant him in phoenix.
 

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Oh man, someone get that lineup going on a video game, and post the results. How awesome would that be.
 

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=5JWUBZgszNg

Any deal that has us giving up Marion for Tyrus Thomas, im 100% game for.

The same way everyone wouldnt have traded Marion for Josh Smith a couple of years ago but would now in a second, is how i feel about Thomas.

This guy is going to be a legit allstar in this league and hes 8 years younger than Marion, who we have maybe for one more season before he bolts.

Hes more athletic than Marion, Better shotblocker and his rebounding isnt a weakness but it will also improve as he gets stronger. Hes basically Amare lite, and with Tyrus and Amare holding down our frontcourt for the next 10 years is scary.

Sorry but watching Marion do absolutely nothing for us in playoff games that matter makes me say you have to do this deal to get a young upcoming monster in Tyrus Thomas if hes offered.

Now you throw in Thabo or Noah and its a no brainer. (Suns front office loves both these guys)
 

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I'll have to respectfully disagree about Ty Thomas. I saw quite a bit of him at LSU being I live in New Orleans. With him, you'll get a whole lot of lines like the one he put up last night: 22min 1-7fg 6reb 1ast 4pts. You'll rarely if ever see a crappy line like that from Marion. I also don't think he's the shot blocking machine many of you think he is.
 

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Unless Marion leaving involves Kobe coming to phoenix I would not be interested. TT is not equal to Marion not even close, and I am not interested in what someone might be down the road when we have a contender RIGHT NOW!
 

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Yeah im not sold on TT either, I think he is still quite a few seasons away from anything close to 20/10/1.5/1.5/2
 

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Tyrus Thomas has not shown he can grab 10 rebounds on a nightly basis.
Having a spectacular block is not playing good defense.

Josh Smith was a great shot blocker from the get go, athletic as heck, scored in double figures most night and was decent in rebounding..
Tyrus has yet to show anything but raise questions like "Only if...", "Good potential"...

Thabo is good, I think he needs a lot of time and confidence and he'd be a very solid player.
 

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I'll have to respectfully disagree about Ty Thomas. I saw quite a bit of him at LSU being I live in New Orleans. With him, you'll get a whole lot of lines like the one he put up last night: 22min 1-7fg 6reb 1ast 4pts. You'll rarely if ever see a crappy line like that from Marion. I also don't think he's the shot blocking machine many of you think he is.


Hes 20yo

Not to many 20yo put up consistent numbers night in and night out.

And its harder for him cause he doesnt get alot of minutes on a deep Chicago team.

Josh Smith went through the same thing on a team where he actually started and played way more minutes per game than Thomas and he still didnt breakout until his 3rd year.

Everything about Tyrus Thomas says he could be a beast in this league in time.

But with Nash i think that time could come sooner than later.

I think its worth the risk considering we'll make the playoffs with or without Marion, cause this team is still very talented.

So it all comes down to the playoffs and Marion vanishes every big game so the hell with him if we could get a future young stud like Thomas.
 

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The Suns don't have a lot of time to sit here and watch Tyrus Thomas develop.

I would rather take my chances with Marion if he's okay to stay here one more year.
 

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We also have to realize Marion will most likely force a sign and trade before he will opt out. His odds of getting a better contract are much higher via S&T than free agency unless the bobcats or hawks appeal to him.

And id much rather have someone who has the chance to "disappear" in the playoffs (which is a myth in itself) than a player who has "yet to show up"

Thomas/Noah/Sefalosha/Nocioni for Marion/ATL is the only bulls trade id consider, and thats prob asking too much.
 

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you MIGHT be able to pull Noah/Thomas/PJ/Sefalosha for Marion/Atlanta/Tucker
 

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Marion has shown already that he wont be the player that helps wins us a championship or carry the load when we need him most, so why does everyone keep pinning our title hopes on him?

He becomes the 7th option in the playoffs against good teams, so basically alot of you guys just want him here for the regular season?

How many times has it been proven that the regular season wins mean nothing?

What has finishing in the top 3 for the last 3 years done for us?

So it comes down to this...

Marion in the regular season putting up his 20/10, us finishing with a top 3 record then Marion does his regular choke job after the first round. We have to rely on Amare, Nash and whoever else steps up to win our first title.

Thomas & Thabo coming in and learning the ropes while contributing whatever they can. We still make the playoffs as a top 5 team in the west. We have to rely on Amare, Nash and whoever else steps up to win our first title.

One way or another our only chance of a title is Amare and Nash dominating.

But with this trade atleast we have a bright future and rid ourselves of a grumpy choker that makes max money.
 

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Marion has shown already that he wont be the player that helps wins us a championship or carry the load when we need him most, so why does everyone keep pinning our title hopes on him?

He becomes the 7th option in the playoffs against good teams, so basically alot of you guys just want him here for the regular season?

How many times has it been proven that the regular season wins mean nothing?

What has finishing in the top 3 for the last 3 years done for us?

So it comes down to this...

Marion in the regular season putting up his 20/10, us finishing with a top 3 record then Marion does his regular choke job after the first round. We have to rely on Amare, Nash and whoever else steps up to win our first title.

Thomas & Thabo coming in and learning the ropes while contributing whatever they can. We still make the playoffs as a top 5 team in the west. We have to rely on Amare, Nash and whoever else steps up to win our first title.

One way or another our only chance of a title is Amare and Nash dominating.

But with this trade atleast we have a bright future and rid ourselves of a grumpy choker that makes max money.

True to all above. Besides, has everybody forgotten what Nash is? He is the MVPx2 who makes every player around him better, way better than their stats on other teams would make them!
 

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You don't trade an allstar when you have a contending team for a bunch of "could be good" players down the road. Wow glad some of you aren't running the team geesh!
 

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You don't trade an allstar when you have a contending team for a bunch of "could be good" players down the road. Wow glad some of you aren't running the team geesh!

when you have the threat of your unhappy allstar bailing on the team at the end of the season and the possibility of getting NOTHING in return for him, then you MUST think about trade scenarios involving that player.

and getting CHEAP QUALITY talent in return is just about the best case scenario.
 

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You don't trade an allstar when you have a contending team for a bunch of "could be good" players down the road. Wow glad some of you aren't running the team geesh!

Yes, you do this trade if you're up and coming but not when you have a shot at the title.
 

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Thomas/Sefolosha/Brown for Marion is not enough. We can say goodbye to our championship hopes this season. It is not worth it now, and I am not convinced it would be in the future (I would much rather take a chance at Bynum than Thomas). And getting Brown in the deal is no incentive; we have as good a chance of getting him anyway, should he choose to play. But, the Suns may be so keen on getting something in return for Marion lest he walks away this summer, that I could see them potentially pulling the trigger on such deal, especially since it moves Kobe to the East.

As for Kobe coming to PHX, I really like LB and really dislike Kobe. But I do want that championship trophy. I'd like to see Duncan and Co. try to guard Kobe in addition to Nash and Amare. I'd like to see them try. But this is a long shot. Getting Garnett would have been easier.

For now I think we need to just go with what we have.
 
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