Excellent Patrick Peterson Analysis

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Ughhhhh week 15... His article pretty much sums up what I got blasted for last year.

Peterson is a good player and I'm glad we have him. But hardly a lockdown type of CB that gets praised as one almost weekly on a national level.
 

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Great find K9, and as I always suspected Peterson is a bit overrated at this stage in his career. What I wonder is will the coaching staff and BA insist that Peterson work hard on his deficiencies or will Peterson get lazy since he gets so much positive press and not get any better than he is now.

He certainly has some aversion to getting physical and will always struggle with that unless he decides to change it. You can also predict that receivers who face him will test him physically since it is something that sticks out as a weakness. In the NFL any little edge can make a big difference.
 
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Ughhhhh week 15... His article pretty much sums up what I got blasted for last year.

Peterson is a good player and I'm glad we have him. But hardly a lockdown type of CB that gets praised as one almost weekly on a national level.

Hm... Yeah. I dunno. I think that Fahey--who does great work--has a bias toward Cover-2 CBs who jam at the line of scrimmage. The praise is consistent for Charles Tillman and Richard Sherman--two guys whose responsibility in the overall scheme of the defense is much less than what Peterson has to do.

I'm not sure what Fahey wants Peterson to do on the two pick plays--teams run those because they're well nigh uncoverable. Same with the Megatron TD where Dansby should have had a pick-six. Peterson maybe could/should have been close enough to pull Johnson down without the play becoming a TD, but he was playing the called coverage.
 

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This in-depth analysis is Exhibit A on why Patrick Peterson should be focused 100% on developing his cornerback skills while Ted Ginn assumes the punt return duties in 2014 IMO. I'm not saying Patrick doesn't work hard. I'm saying the focus of his work effort in the next 12 months should be on becoming an elite cornerback.It is in his own best interest as he looks for a new contract over the next 12-18 months.

Just a cursory look at the analysis shows that Patrick tends to dominate inferior receivers while providing average coverage of better receivers as this excerpt of the one of the Seahawk games indicates...

Against Jermaine Kearse, the inexperienced third/fourth option for the Seahawks, Peterson was able to initiate contact and take away his space on a sideline route. Kearse never looked to fight Peterson for position, instead he just ran where Peterson guided him to.

On the other hand, Golden Tate, a more refined and experienced receiver, was able to easily knock Peterson’s jam attempt aside to release into his route. Peterson’s technique with receivers at the line of scrimmage is consistently poor.

He only ever extends his outside arm to make contact with the receiver and his corresponding foot always follows with the other one trailing behind. This makes it easy for receivers to swim to the outside or simply release inside.

This game showed off a lot of who Peterson is at this stage of his career. He was able to overwhelm the less refined receiver Jermaine Kearse, while he went back and forth with Golden Tate throughout the game.
 

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Hm... Yeah. I dunno. I think that Fahey--who does great work--has a bias toward Cover-2 CBs who jam at the line of scrimmage. The praise is consistent for Charles Tillman and Richard Sherman--two guys whose responsibility in the overall scheme of the defense is much less than what Peterson has to do.

I'm not sure what Fahey wants Peterson to do on the two pick plays--teams run those because they're well nigh uncoverable. Same with the Megatron TD where Dansby should have had a pick-six. Peterson maybe could/should have been close enough to pull Johnson down without the play becoming a TD, but he was playing the called coverage.

Without going back and viewing the article again, I believe he mentioned that Peterson was slow in recognizing the play and should have taken a better angle/path to the receiver. Not sure if that was possible, however recognition can certainly be improved.

I think on the Dansby missed INT he was saying Peterson quit on the coverage as soon as he saw Dansby going for the INT and when Dansby missed it, Peterson had all but stopped his coverage responsibilities. If he had kept with the play until he was sure of the INT Megatron probably never goes in for the TD.
 

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I think the article is fairly accurate. Peterson is good but just a notch under Sherman and Revis. The good thing is he is young and still can improve to become the best in the business. He is the most athletic of them all at cornerback, so if he can refine his technique he will improve.
 

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One of the big issues coming up is that Peterson and his camp are going to want to see him get paid like one of the top top corners in the game. I think the Cards see that he is not quite there yet which is why we probably won't see an extension for him until next year at the earliest. With the option, he is still under his rookie contract for another two seasons and the Cards could franchise him for a year after that if they wanted to. Hopefully his play next season will earn him the paycheck he's looking for.
 

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They happened to be showing the hey rookie segments the other night from PP's rookie year and I watched some of both. Anybody who thinks PP doesn't work hard has to watch that again and hear the coaches talk about how he works as hard as any of the veterans. Or listen to the veterans who were so impressed with how hard he worked and how much study he put in.

He talked about how after the bye week his rookie year the whole game slowed down and he didn't feel so overwhelmed and could just go out and play.

Remember how bad the D looked early that year under Horton, even the veterans were struggling with it, no surprise PP took awhile.

He's not Deion but who is other than Deion. He's a very good CB, he gets asked to do much more than many CB's do because of all the blitzing we do. That's a point that was made clear in that piece when they talked about how they simply couldn't blitz as much as they do(under Horton this was) if they didn't have Peterson on one CB slot.

My thing again is that I hope he stops returning punts, or maybe just now and then, I think it's apparent that he's doing nearly as well as he did his rookie year, not even close, so there's not much point in putting him out there. Let him have a slight bit more rest by not returing punts. Let him be just a CB.
 

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I thought his play slipped some last season , and I attributed it to the " look , I'm Mr. Cardinal Syndrome " . I thought that was caused by PP being out there on Defense , on Special Teams , and on Offence . I'm hoping that Ginn takes those offence , and special team plays so PP's head can unswell and he can focus on his corner play .
 

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I thought his play slipped some last season , and I attributed it to the " look , I'm Mr. Cardinal Syndrome " . I thought that was caused by PP being out there on Defense , on Special Teams , and on Offence . I'm hoping that Ginn takes those offence , and special team plays so PP's head can unswell and he can focus on his corner play .

Oh absolutely if you look at the actual contribution on offense and punt returns last year there is no reason to have him out there for anything but defense.
 

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The kid is only 23 and a top 5 CB in the league. No need to nitpick.
 

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The kid is only 23 and a top 5 CB in the league. No need to nitpick.

For the hype and contract he's going to demand there are plenty of reasons to nitpick.
 

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For the hype and contract he's going to demand there are plenty of reasons to nitpick.


should a 23 year old top 5 corner get paid like a top 5 corner in the league? Yes. Maybe even top 2 money as he is only 23 and will improve
 

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should a 23 year old top 5 corner get paid like a top 5 corner in the league? Yes. Maybe even top 2 money as he is only 23 and will improve

I disagree, I think he needs to show progress toward improving his weak areas. If he stagnates then it's one of two problems, either he has reached his ceiling or there is a problem with the coaching.
 

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But is there a "need?"

Absolutely. He'll be paid as a top 5 corner in the league, and has shown some obvious weaknesses. Hopefully he's motivated to work on his game.
 

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I disagree, I think he needs to show progress toward improving his weak areas. If he stagnates then it's one of two problems, either he has reached his ceiling or there is a problem with the coaching.


so say he stays the excellent player he is today, do you pay him or let him walk?

I pay him. He is elite. He is a top corner. He is worth the money.
 

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I disagree, I think he needs to show progress toward improving his weak areas. If he stagnates then it's one of two problems, either he has reached his ceiling or there is a problem with the coaching.

the thing is it's hard to just compare him to others because so few of them play in a scheme like ours. PP is by himself far more often than most CB's are.

In that hey rookie segment they were showing him against Dallas and he's covering Dez Bryant man to man all over the field. After the game Bryant said something like much respect, you were on me all day without help.

He gets beat, absolutely, but when he gets beat it's more obvious because there usually isn't a safety there to help. Like the TD to Megatron where he assumed Dansby was going to pick it and then had a horrible angle. Against almost any other team that's not a TD because there's a safety over the top.
 

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should a 23 year old top 5 corner get paid like a top 5 corner in the league? Yes. Maybe even top 2 money as he is only 23 and will improve

Thats quite a leap of faith and you have zero evidence to really support it. He could have already hit his ceiling. He has been in the league 3 years and is by all accounts one of the hardest workers there is and is constantly working on his game. He may just be about as good as he is going to get.

He is a very good player. But he isn't and never has been in the same category as a guy like Revis. Unless he can show that improvement no way do you pay him "top 2" money like you suggest. Im glad we have him for at least 3 more season for the team to make that determination though.
 

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Thats quite a leap of faith and you have zero evidence to really support it. He could have already hit his ceiling. He has been in the league 3 years and is by all accounts one of the hardest workers there is and is constantly working on his game. He may just be about as good as he is going to get.

He is a very good player. But he isn't and never has been in the same category as a guy like Revis. Unless he can show that improvement no way do you pay him "top 2" money like you suggest. Im glad we have him for at least 3 more season for the team to make that determination though.

only 2 more seasons under contract.

Value is in the eye of the beholder. He is that valuable to this team and this defense IMO. I have full confidence in the kid.
 

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only 2 more seasons under contract.

Value is in the eye of the beholder. He is that valuable to this team and this defense IMO. I have full confidence in the kid.

Hes here at least 3 minimum. After the 2 the team can franchise.
 
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