Experts top 5 trades for Gortat.

[BC867]

Shaq was clearly still better than him and made the allstar game.

Shaq at the twilight of his career was a short-term plug-in. Hardly a comparison to a young Center.

 

[jagu]

I love the people bitching about Gortat. Let's not forget that we dumped Hedo Turkoglu's fugly contract, Earl "The Pearl according to slinslin" Clark, and Jason Richardson for Marcin Gortat and an expiring contract in Vince Carter along with Mickael Pietrus. Gortat wasn't even the biggest part of the equation in that deal, it was simply getting out of Hedo's contract. Gortat is the best player in that deal now hands down.

 

[BC867]

Earl "The Pearl according to slinslin" Clark.

LOL.

They used to say about Earl Monroe, on the Bullets, then the Knicks, that he could do on the floor what Dr. J did in the air.

 

[slinslin]

Some of the Gortat to OKC trades look good

Kendrick Perkins
Perry Jones III
Jeremy Lamb
Toronto lottery pick

for

Gortat
Dudley
Telfair

 

[AzStevenCal]

Some of the Gortat to OKC trades look good

Kendrick Perkins
Perry Jones III
Jeremy Lamb
Toronto lottery pick

for

Gortat
Dudley
Telfair

I'd like that deal a lot better if we could swap out Marshall for Telfair but even if not, I'd make the trade in a heartbeat.

Steve

 

[Covert Rain]

Some of the Gortat to OKC trades look good

Kendrick Perkins
Perry Jones III
Jeremy Lamb
Toronto lottery pick

for

Gortat
Dudley
Telfair

Not so sure about this. The younger guys in the deal don't exactly excite me. Perkins is a good man to man defender but one of the worst rebounders in the NBA (we have had enough of those guys). The only reason to do this trade is for the pick which could be turn into something.

Taking a big risk there is any sort of big man that will be available at that pick...wherever it ends up.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Not so sure about this. The younger guys in the deal don't exactly excite me. Perkins is a good man to man defender but one of the worst rebounders in the NBA (we have had enough of those guys). The only reason to do this trade is for the pick which could be turn into something.

Taking a big risk there is any sort of big man that will be available at that pick...wherever it ends up.

I like the potential of Lamb and Jones but for me, you make this deal for 3 years down the road. This is clearly in OKC's immediate favor as Perkins is overpaid and a step down from Gortat. In the long run though I think it gives us more assets and it does little to impact our current plans. We go from being a below average team to being a much younger below average team. In a couple of years, Perkins will be an expiring contract, Lamb and Jones will have matured plus whatever we get from the Toronto pick.

It sounds like Marcin might not be that happy here which is just going to make it all that much harder to satisfy him come contract time.

Steve

 

[Covert Rain]

I like the potential of Lamb and Jones but for me, you make this deal for 3 years down the road. This is clearly in OKC's immediate favor as Perkins is overpaid and a step down from Gortat. In the long run though I think it gives us more assets and it does little to impact our current plans. We go from being a below average team to being a much younger below average team. In a couple of years, Perkins will be an expiring contract, Lamb and Jones will have matured plus whatever we get from the Toronto pick.

It sounds like Marcin might not be that happy here which is just going to make it all that much harder to satisfy him come contract time.

Steve

Being young just to be young doesn't help your ball club. Overall this would be for that pick. So, you would have to hope Toronto sucks this entire year and you get a great pick.

It's all speculation though. Nobody seems to give the Suns unprotected picks these days.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Being young just to be young doesn't help your ball club. Overall this would be for that pick. So, you would have to hope Toronto sucks this entire year and you get a great pick.

It's all speculation though. Nobody seems to give the Suns unprotected picks these days.

Of course being young just to be young is pointless. Lamb and Jones are both young and can still become ball players. If they were 30 and at this level of development I'd have no interest in them. Maybe they hit, maybe they miss but both of them have unrealized potential. If you're right and those two guys are useless and this deal is only about the Toronto pick then, IMO, it's a bad deal. Gortat is worth more than an undefined pick.

Steve

 

[SunsTzu]

Apparently the Blazers owe a protected 1st already so the trade most preferred isn't even possible(good call experts). I still think a deal that can net Lamb + Raptors pick is the best bet going forward.

 

[hcsilla]

Some of the Gortat to OKC trades look good

Kendrick Perkins
Perry Jones III
Jeremy Lamb
Toronto lottery pick

for

Gortat
Dudley
Telfair

There is no way that I would take Perkins' huge contract. I do think that the Suns wouldn't either.

Send him together with PJIII to a team that stupid/competitive enough to give an expiring contract for this package. Unfortunately I'm not sure that such a team exists.

TOR pick and Lamb might be a decent price for Gortat and Dudley.

 

[AzStevenCal]

There is no way that I would take Perkins' huge contract. I do think that the Suns wouldn't either.

Send him together with PJIII to a team that stupid/competitive enough to give an expiring contract for this package. Unfortunately I'm not sure that such a team exists.

TOR pick and Lamb might be a decent price for Gortat and Dudley.

I thought it was only two more years after this one and somewhere around 8 Million per? If so, that seems very doable to me. He's overpaid but not ridiculously so.

Steve

 

[SunsTzu]

I thought it was only two more years after this one and somewhere around 8 Million per? If so, that seems very doable to me. He's overpaid but not ridiculously so.

Steve

It's either 8mil per or 9mil per depending on the site(the one I trust as it averaging 9mil, nearly 10mil in the final year). The only way the Suns could reasonably get the Toronto pick and Lamb is if the absorb Perkins, I seriously doubt the Suns could pawn Perkins off on another team using lesser assets anytime soon.

I'd still do the deal though since the Suns are still in good shape with the cap. Even with Perkins there would only be 3 guaranteed contracts on the books in 2014, 2 if the Suns end up with a medical waiver for Frye.

 

[SirStefan32]

It's either 8mil per or 9mil per depending on the site(the one I trust as it averaging 9mil, nearly 10mil in the final year). The only way the Suns could reasonably get the Toronto pick and Lamb is if the absorb Perkins, I seriously doubt the Suns could pawn Perkins off on another team using lesser assets anytime soon.

I'd still do the deal though since the Suns are still in good shape with the cap. Even with Perkins there would only be 3 guaranteed contracts on the books in 2014, 2 if the Suns end up with a medical waiver for Frye.

Why not take Perkins? It's not like we will be contenders before his contract is up. Same thing as keeping Gortat, except that we will be a bit worse. Throw in a youngster or two and a lotto pick, and it starts to look pretty good.

 

[desertdawg]

Sexpert trade from desertdawg in the third person NBA style:

Desertdawg thinks the only good trade would be to the Lakers since we already gave them Nash. Desertdawg thinks we could get Howard here to compliment our 3's and 4's, and all we would need is a point guard. Desertdawg is not on what's his names jock. Sarver probably wouldn't take Howard's contract, and we already cleaned the Fakers of their first rounders, so it will never happen. Unless they call the commisioner of course.

 

[hcsilla]

The only way the Suns could reasonably get the Toronto pick and Lamb is if the absorb Perkins

Thats sounds like getting Perry Jones for a package of Gortat and Dudley was a fair deal.

 

[carey]

Sexpert trade from desertdawg in the third person NBA style:

Desertdawg thinks the only good trade would be to the Lakers since we already gave them Nash. Desertdawg thinks we could get Howard here to compliment our 3's and 4's, and all we would need is a point guard. Desertdawg is not on what's his names jock. Sarver probably wouldn't take Howard's contract, and we already cleaned the Fakers of their first rounders, so it will never happen. Unless they call the commisioner of course.

DesertDawg is reminding Carey why he once called him DesertRat because he's obviously high as a kite.

 

[desertdawg]

DesertDawg is reminding Carey why he once called him DesertRat because he's obviously high as a kite.

I remember the rat comment well (no bueno), but being called high doesn't bother me at all, it's actually spot on. Happy turkey day.

 

[TruCard]

I think it's a little early to trade Gortat. We all new that Gortat's game would suffer once Nash left. With that being said, did you see the Suns-Blazers game last night? Dragic ran the pick-and-roll to perfection with Gortat and Gortat had an awesome game. Not only did Gortat have an awesome game, Morris did as well, starting in place of Luis Scola. The Suns clearly learned in that game the the pick-and-roll can still be a weapon. Gortat needs the pick-and-roll to be effective. If Dragic grabs a hold of the bull by the horns, he will be an UNSTOPPABLE PG in this league. Gortat stays.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think it's a little early to trade Gortat. We all new that Gortat's game would suffer once Nash left. With that being said, did you see the Suns-Blazers game last night? Dragic ran the pick-and-roll to perfection with Gortat and Gortat had an awesome game. Not only did Gortat have an awesome game, Morris did as well, starting in place of Luis Scola. The Suns clearly learned in that game the the pick-and-roll can still be a weapon. Gortat needs the pick-and-roll to be effective. If Dragic grabs a hold of the bull by the horns, he will be an UNSTOPPABLE PG in this league. Gortat stays.

I'm willing to trade Gortat but it has nothing to do with his game suffering without Nash. I'd only trade him if he were worth more on the market than the court and I think that's a fair possibility. He's in his prime and will be drawing a hefty salary soon and we probably still need to get worse in order to get better (granted, that's debatable).

Steve

 

[carey]

I'm willing to trade Gortat but it has nothing to do with his game suffering without Nash. I'd only trade him if he were worth more on the market than the court and I think that's a fair possibility. He's in his prime and will be drawing a hefty salary soon and we probably still need to get worse in order to get better (granted, that's debatable).

Steve

I do not want to be locked into $12M a year for Gortat a year and a half from now. I just don't.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I do not want to be locked into $12M a year for Gortat a year and a half from now. I just don't.

I just don't know about Gortat. He's looked great in some games and very disposable in others. I'd like to see more consistent production from him along with his continued defensive effort before I'd be willing to pay him the big bucks.

Steve

 

[BC867]

I just don't know about Gortat. He's looked great in some games and very disposable in others. I'd like to see more consistent production from him along with his continued defensive effort before I'd be willing to pay him the big bucks.

Steve

It is apparent that Gentry moved Scola to the 2nd unit because he was getting in the way of Gortat on offense and rebounding while in the starting lineup.

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions about Gortat yet until we see how it plays out with him playing alongside Morris instead.

We expected Dudley to move to the bench. We hoped Beasley would join him. But none us seemed to expect that it would be Scola instead.

Benching Scola with 18.5 points and 7.8 rebounds was quite a bold move.

Can anyone think of any reason other than he was neutralizing Gortat by being in his way?

 

[AzStevenCal]

It is apparent that Gentry moved Scola to the 2nd unit because he was getting in the way of Gortat on offense and rebounding while in the starting lineup.

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions about Gortat yet until we see how it plays out with him playing alongside Morris instead.

We expected Dudley to move to the bench. We hoped Beasley would join him. But none us seemed to expect that it would be Scola instead.

Benching Scola with 18.5 points and 7.8 rebounds was quite a bold move.

Can anyone think of any reason other than he was neutralizing Gortat by being in his way?

I talked about it a few times. Scola appears to switch from man defense to zone on a whim and it seems he's more likely to block out a teammate than an opponent. For whatever reason though he did not seem as disruptive when paired with O'Neal. The two of them actually worked together reasonably well.

Steve

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

It is apparent that Gentry moved Scola to the 2nd unit because he was getting in the way of Gortat on offense and rebounding while in the starting lineup.

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions about Gortat yet until we see how it plays out with him playing alongside Morris instead.

We expected Dudley to move to the bench. We hoped Beasley would join him. But none us seemed to expect that it would be Scola instead.

Benching Scola with 18.5 points and 7.8 rebounds was quite a bold move.

Can anyone think of any reason other than he was neutralizing Gortat by being in his way?

The starting lineup had 3 terrible defenders and 2 of them had to go. Also considering Gentry's love affair with Beasley we all knew it wasn't going to be him. The 3 poor defenders by the way were Duds, Beas and Scola. Duds poor defense I think had a lot to do with trying to guard SGs which are just too quick and athletic for him to guard on a regular basis.