Extremely Disappointed

[Mitch]

I and others have patiently waited for the OLB situation to be addressed and taken care of---and it infuriates me to think that with the draft, with free agency, with UCFA signings, with waiver wire opportunities and with trade opportunities ALL that was done is adding 4th round pick Sam Acho---who is not a speed rusher by any stretch of the imagination (and may develop at some point into to good bull rusher) to two 34 year old dead leggers and a second year 4th round pick off of major knee surgery who basically showed up for one pre-season game.

At some point one would think that even out of desperation the team would take a gamble on someone who could fill the bill.

Even worse---we now have an 8 man PS and there's not an edge rusher there either.

This organization is a total joke, imo. Bash me go ahead. I am so sick of going through this every freaking year with Whisenhunt. To me he is a joke as well---he's sitting there with 4 TEs, 6 WRs and 4 RBs when we don't have a bona fide edge pass rusher on the entire roster.

As much as I loathed Denny Green as a coach---at least Denny Green had a sense of hey we need edge rushers to be productive on defense.

Rant finished. Excuse makers bash away because as Red says in Shawshank, "quite frankly I don't give a sh--."

The only hope this team has: is if the players take command of the ship. The FO and the coaches are incompetent and will prove it time and time again.

 

[crisper57]

I feel the exact same way about the O-Line.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It's hard to justify keeping 4 TE's and not touching the pass rushing hole...
Just curious Mitch, in terms of late pick-ups, who would you have liked to have seen the Cards snag?

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Whisenhunt is a horrible defensive coach, one of the worst in the league IMO. Our two starting OLB's are in their 12th and 13th seasons, no other team in the league has that much age at such an important position. Hopefully Horton can change the culture, but Whiz just isn't a well rounded coach, he focuses purely on offense, and nothing else.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I and others have patiently waited for the OLB situation to be addressed and taken care of---and it infuriates me to think that with the draft, with free agency, with UCFA signings, with waiver wire opportunities and with trade opportunities ALL that was done is adding 4th round pick Sam Acho---who is not a speed rusher by any stretch of the imagination (and may develop at some point into to good bull rusher) to two 34 year old dead leggers and a second year 4th round pick off of major knee surgery who basically showed up for one pre-season game.

At some point one would think that even out of desperation the team would take a gamble on someone who could fill the bill.

Even worse---we now have an 8 man PS and there's not an edge rusher there either.

This organization is a total joke, imo. Bash me go ahead. I am so sick of going through this every freaking year with Whisenhunt. To me he is a joke as well---he's sitting there with 4 TEs, 6 WRs and 4 RBs when we don't have a bona fide edge pass rusher on the entire roster.

As much as I loathed Denny Green as a coach---at least Denny Green had a sense of hey we need edge rushers to be productive on defense.

Rant finished. Excuse makers bash away because as Red says in Shawshank, "quite frankly I don't give a sh--."

The only hope this team has: is if the players take command of the ship. The FO and the coaches are incompetent and will prove it time and time again.

Absolutely the biggest failing of Whis's tenure is the outright ignoring of bot the O-line and OLB in the draft...This organization has done a ton to get itself into the positiong of being viewed as a legitmate one, but this hadling of those two issues has certainly been a huge Joke.

 

[Mitch]

I feel the exact same way about the O-Line.

Great point, Crisper. Tell me---do we have the best players in place? Do we even draft o-linemen? And we supposedly have one of the top o-line coaches in the league? He is a joke as well. He is incompetent.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Great point, Crisper. Tell me---do we have the best players in place? Do we even draft o-linemen? And we supposedly have one of the top o-line coaches in the league? He is a joke as well. He is incompetent.

Now THAT we can entirely agree on!!

 

[Mitch]

It's hard to justify keeping 4 TE's and not touching the pass rushing hole...
Just curious Mitch, in terms of late pick-ups, who would you have liked to have seen the Cards snag?

Just yesterday, for example, the Bucs released George Johnson (6-4, 265) who had a great pre-season and recorded 3 sacks. Why not take a flyer on this guy?

George Selvie? The Bucs claimed him and let Johnson go. We could have claimed Selvie. We were too busy doing other things.

Someone---anyone---

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

And we supposedly have one of the top o-line coaches in the league? He is a joke as well. He is incompetent.

From your mouth to Springsteen's ears!

 

[Mitch]

Absolutely the biggest failing of Whis's tenure is the outright ignoring of bot the O-line and OLB in the draft...This organization has done a ton to get itself into the positiong of being viewed as a legitmate one, but this hadling of those two issues has certainly been a huge Joke.

Whiz himself admitted that he didn't watch the Super Bowl tape. How preposterous is that?

As we saw, ad nausuem, the Achille's heels? OL, OLB/DE and DBs (who could have gotten bailed out with good edge pressure---it kind of works that way, doesn't it?)

 

[RedRob]

I'm an apologist most of the time but cannot excuse this one away. Anyone who watches even minimal NFL football immediately understands that putting pressure on the opposing QB is the easiest path to a great defense.

It seems obvious in the NFL you want A) A quality QB B) Protect that QB and C) Kill the opposing teams QB.

 

[Catfish]

I understand your frustration completely buddy. I have decided to take a, (wait and see), approach to this season. I am still intrigued by what it is that Horton will bring to the table for the Big Red Defense. We do have some considerable talent, and if he finds a way to maximize what we have, (instead of trying to get guys to do something they are not capable of), maybe we will get off the field more often than not. I don't believe that we have yet seen just what this Defense might be capable of. I do know that Horton spent a lot of time ascertaining what each man brought to the party. If he is able to capitalize on that, we might still have a formidable defense. There IS more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[Buckybird]

I and others have patiently waited for the OLB situation to be addressed and taken care of---and it infuriates me to think that with the draft, with free agency, with UCFA signings, with waiver wire opportunities and with trade opportunities ALL that was done is adding 4th round pick Sam Acho---who is not a speed rusher by any stretch of the imagination (and may develop at some point into to good bull rusher) to two 34 year old dead leggers and a second year 4th round pick off of major knee surgery who basically showed up for one pre-season game.

At some point one would think that even out of desperation the team would take a gamble on someone who could fill the bill.

Even worse---we now have an 8 man PS and there's not an edge rusher there either.

This organization is a total joke, imo. Bash me go ahead. I am so sick of going through this every freaking year with Whisenhunt. To me he is a joke as well---he's sitting there with 4 TEs, 6 WRs and 4 RBs when we don't have a bona fide edge pass rusher on the entire roster.

As much as I loathed Denny Green as a coach---at least Denny Green had a sense of hey we need edge rushers to be productive on defense.

Rant finished. Excuse makers bash away because as Red says in Shawshank, "quite frankly I don't give a sh--."

The only hope this team has: is if the players take command of the ship. The FO and the coaches are incompetent and will prove it time and time again.

I feel the exact same way about the O-Line.

Yep...its like a broken record & we will continue living in mediocrity at best!!! I've seen posters thinking this team will win anywhere from 9-12 games this year. Yeah whatever, I'm not buyin it. Hey, this team is better talentwise but the lack of differance makers at OLB & OT will ultimately do them in.

 

[az jam]

I understand your frustration completely buddy. I have decided to take a, (wait and see), approach to this season. I am still intrigued by what it is that Horton will bring to the table for the Big Red Defense. We do have some considerable talent, and if he finds a way to maximize what we have, (instead of trying to get guys to do something they are not capable of), maybe we will get off the field more often than not. I don't believe that we have yet seen just what this Defense might be capable of. I do know that Horton spent a lot of time ascertaining what each man brought to the party. If he is able to capitalize on that, we might still have a formidable defense. There IS more than one way to skin a cat.

Well said, I too am willing to wait and give Horton a reasonable time frame.

 

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[Buckybird]

I understand your frustration completely buddy. I have decided to take a, (wait and see), approach to this season. I am still intrigued by what it is that Horton will bring to the table for the Big Red Defense. We do have some considerable talent, and if he finds a way to maximize what we have, (instead of trying to get guys to do something they are not capable of), maybe we will get off the field more often than not. I don't believe that we have yet seen just what this Defense might be capable of. I do know that Horton spent a lot of time ascertaining what each man brought to the party. If he is able to capitalize on that, we might still have a formidable defense. There IS more than one way to skin a cat.

relying on the blitz Fish is a recipe for disaster...big plays IMO are on the horizon...watch. Teams live & die by the blitz & I'm noy sure the talent is that much better to eliminate those big plays, especially when you don't get there.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Yep...its like a broken record & we will continue living in mediocrity at best!!! I've seen posters thinking this team will win anywhere from 9-12 games this year. Yeah whatever, I'm not buyin it. Hey, this team is better talentwise but the lack of differance makers at OLB & OT will ultimately do them in.

This will be all the more highlighted when the likes of Smith, Jackson and other sub-par QB's have all day in the pocket...

 

[cardncubfan]

I understand your frustration completely buddy. I have decided to take a, (wait and see), approach to this season. I am still intrigued by what it is that Horton will bring to the table for the Big Red Defense. We do have some considerable talent, and if he finds a way to maximize what we have, (instead of trying to get guys to do something they are not capable of), maybe we will get off the field more often than not. I don't believe that we have yet seen just what this Defense might be capable of. I do know that Horton spent a lot of time ascertaining what each man brought to the party. If he is able to capitalize on that, we might still have a formidable defense. There IS more than one way to skin a cat.

I agree with this. I don't think we know just yet what our "D" is capable of doing.

 

[TJ]

This organization is a total joke, imo. Bash me go ahead. I am so sick of going through this every freaking year with Whisenhunt. To me he is a joke .

So just curious. You were sick of him when he took a completely inept franchise in 2007, made it a .500 ball club, took it to the Super Bowl the following season, and posted the best record in franchise history in 2009?

Whiz has had one, count it, one disappointing year and that was last season. I understand fans are still smelling the stench from 2010, but overstatements like these should be curbed until losing becomes pathological like it was before the Whiz era.

To tell me that because the organization did not bring in a castaway OLB after cuts dissolves any and all successes the coaching staff has had in the past is nonsensical.

How about this for you. Last season (2010) the team went in with a total of seven linebackers for Week 1. This season (unless something changes), there will be eight total linebackers Week 1. By in large, this tells me a couple of things:

1. The defensedid consider the linebacker position as a whole and made a more concerted effort to do so this year than last.
2. One of the inside linebackers, like Bradley, might play outside on a couple of snaps. I believe this has been brought up by one of the local guys.
3. Four OLBs in theory is a small number, but come week 1, there is still going to be plenty of rotating, especially if there are eight total linebackers on the squad.

Look, I'm not thrilled with our OLB situation either; but, the reality is the position wasn't the strength of our ball club to begin with and whatever we did in the last two days wasn't going to fix it at all.

In addition to which, I am still on the Schofield bandwagon and believe he will alleviate some of the pass rush concerns many have. Is he the panacea? No. But it is conceivable that he can be a double digit sack guy.

Furthermore, more pressing needs were addressed in the offseason, specifically at quarterback. Kevin Kolb alone is going to produce more wins than any OLB we could have gotten on the free market. Also, our SILB situation was finally addressed with Stewart Bradley.

We have our weaknesses for sure (what team doesn't?), but we also have our strengths.

Have faith. This team has potential. It could be a lot worse. You could be a 49er or Seahawk fan putting money aside for an Andrew Luck or Matt Barkley jersey.

 

[splitsecond]

I will let you have this thread to vent Mitch, I know you have one or two a season. I agree and disagree with the sentiment at the same time. I won't lay blame on Whiz until i hear he or Graves are refusing to let Horton go and get his guys.

I would also guess that we will see a big developmental year for Schofield, and to some extent feel a little better by the end of the year.

 

[Buckybird]

and posted the best record in franchise history in 2009?

I didnt realize Wiz has been coaching this team since 1975

I unlike Mitch like Wiz but some of the moves him or Graves make are mind boggling at times

 

[TJ]

I didnt realize Wiz has been coaching this team since 1975

I unlike Mitch like Wiz but some of the moves him or Graves make are mind boggling at times

Thanks for the correction, old fart.

 

[JeffGollin]

Let me get this straight.

An avid rooter feels the FO & coaches are inept and we're all going to die, because they didn't do a bunch of stuff that the rooter would have done.

It's a free country, and you have the right to express your opinion, but as of now, I'd rather buy into a bunch of football guys with a gazillion years worth of collective experience who are apparently good enough at what they do that people are willing to pay them for their judgment.

In short - I'm not willing yet to give up on Joey's ability to bring it or Schohawk being fully recovered to make his presence felt.

Or Bradley making a huge impact.

I'm always concerned about we're pro-active enough, but I still like Michael, Rod and Wiz.

 

[Early]

I agree Mitch - Zero passrush, two unproven corners, that's not what you want, it will be easy to pass on this defense. 4 man rush will not be enough, Horton will be forced to blitz more than he likes, trying to create the pressure and corners are not good enough to make that work.

It's not looking good.

I have high hopes for Schofield and Washington. I think they may surprise people around the league.

The pressure will need to come from the inside, DD and CC, they are the heart of the defense considering the huge pass rushing issues on the edge and the cornerbacks. The defense will be as good as they make it to be.

 

[Duckjake]

As much as I loathed Denny Green as a coach---at least Denny Green had a sense of hey we need edge rushers to be productive on defense.

Denny Green was a good talent evaluator. A poor game day coach. CKW is a poor talent evaluator and a good game day coach. That is why CKW was able to take Greens' guys to the Super Bowl. A perfect combination. And once Green's guys were gone the Cards cratered.

Now at least we have some hope at QB and with improved play at that position CKW's game day prowess may win us some games our talent really shouldn't.