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Falcons Begin to Clean House
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I always liked Ulbrich in SF. I don't know if he'll be a good DC or not but he was IMO terrific at UCLA when he was there before he left for the Falcons. He was the guy who converted Barr to LB, he got the best out of Myles Jack and UCLA had a bunch of good LB's when he was there. If he doesn't stick in Atlanta after this I'd love to see the Cards go after him. Maybe he can help Simmons
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WisconsinCard
Herfin BIg Time
I would guess they're all lame duck coaches. When they hire a new GM he's going to want his own dudes.
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Other good teams struggle as well.
lol
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
Name them.
The Patriots
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
lol...only 4 of their 24 players selected in 2016 thru 2019 have not played in 4 or more games. 8 of their top 11 cap hits are players they drafted,
How are they doing without Tom Brady? Bout a 500 team.
drafting is a crap shoot. If you think you got it figured out or anyone really does then idk.
Jetstream Green
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I would say the two best scouting departments in the NFL are the Cowboys and the Colts of recent. Where has that gotten them if the draft is such a huge influence for winning? I think one can put the Ravens with the Steelers in the mix... but they have great coaching 
If drafting is a crap shoot how come some GM's are consistently better at it than others? Or should I say, some teams are consistently better than others.
"It's a crap shoot" is the excuse fans make for bad GM's. Yes, there is an element of luck in there, there are just some things you can't know about a player, but that doesn't apply to every player. Maybe 1 in 10 will bust because of some intangible you couldn't possibly predict. The others are all predictable if you know what you are doing.
Who couldn't predict Nkemdiche busting? Who would think a 220lb ILB was a good idea in the long run? Who would think a college player with drink issues might become an NFL player with drink issues?
Then there's all the players who were a "steal" that dropped in the draft like rocks we snapped up who turned out to be exactly what everyone else thought they were like Dorian Johnson, Hakeem Butler and Deionte Thompson, who while not bad has very much looked like a 5th round player at best.
It's only a crap shoot to those who don't have a clue. To everyone else it's a skill.
Oh, and the Patriots would be about .500 with Brady. They lost several starters to opt outs, have a number of injuries/covid list players and their one and only good receiver has been carrying an injury and missed yesterday.
even the teams that are good at drafting still miss more than they hit.
are you talking about Bucannon and Floyd? Because those guys actually became productive pros
Depends how you quantify a hit or miss. Certainly the best teams don't consistently bust 1st round picks.
Rosen, Reddick, Diche, Buc, Cooper all busts. Only Murray and Hump not.
And yes Buc was a bust. He had 2 good seasons, started 57 games in his career and busted out. Didn't get a 2nd contract anywhere other than vet min camp crap. For a 1st round pick thats a bust.
Floyd was borderline not Keim's pick although for sure he was heavily involved, but again 3 good seasons and washing out is not great for pick #12.
As I said, there's an element of luck to drafting, the best teams remove as much of that as humanly possible. We don't.
You know what your right drafting is easy AF and if a guy doesn’t last 10 years in the NFL total bust.
I never said either of those things. Nice strawman though.
Chopper0080
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I don't disagree that drafting is hard and an inexact science, but I also know that consistently good teams draft a large number of their best players. The Pats don't hit on all of their picks, but they get contributions out of a lot of them, and a significant % of their best players are guys they drafted. Steelers are the same. Ravens are the same. Saints and Vikings. Chiefs and SF are more of where we are at but they also have hit on a ton of picks if you look at their starting lineups.
So, you accurate to say that we are not the worst. That said, we are also a team that has wasted a significant number of high draft picks and our record reflects that. Our three most successful recent draft picks are DJ Humphries and Budda Baker and Kyler Murray and people argue if two of them are actually good. We have too many Haason Reddicks and Robert Nkemdiches and Brandon Williams and Dorian Johnsons and Chad Williams and Hakeem Butlers for this team to be consistently good. Those players cost us cap dollars because we then have to sign vets to fill those roles. To consistently get little to no contribution from top 100 players is a sign of a bad process.
Example...
Since 2017 we have drafted 5 wide receivers
Chad Williams - 98
Christian Kirk - 47
Andy Isabella - 62
Hakeem Butler - 103
KeeSean Johnson - 174
Despite that we had to trade for our #1 WR. In that same period of time, Pittsburgh has drafted 4
JuJu Smith-Schuster - 62
James Washington - 60
Diontae Johnson - 66
Chase Claypool - 49
Just comparing those two groups, it is pretty clear that a traditionally better franchise does consistently better when allocating draft resources. Now you can argue that every team has position groups that it drafts better than others, but I don't know that we have one.
Long story short, we have to draft better if we are going to ever be a consistently good franchise.
I get it. I’m just at a different stage in my football watching life. I’m not as invested as you. I’m not going to get wound up and write paragraphs on stuff I have no control over.
well what is it? Is a player drafted that just “contributes” a good player? Cause then guys like Minter, Floyd , Bucannon all those guys can’t be considered bust since they were contributing players on those BA teams right.
you listed 3 guys we drafted at 98 or lower when the lowest guy on the Steelers list was 68. Even you have to see the difference in picking 60 to 174
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
There is a targeted and systematic approach like the Steelers use and the throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks approach we use. Both teams had WR needs. One team used a targeted approach and the other is still talking about upgrading their WR core.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
So you aren't as invested and yet you engage in these types debates?
I don’t really engage anymore. I come on say what I feel and that’s it. The days of me writing these long ranting post are over. I’ve learned on this board it’s not worth it. No one says oh hey I didn’t think of it that way you got a point. I’ve seen this team be amazing and I’ve seen guys come on here and just **** on the team doesn’t really matter.
some guys want to complain just to complain no matter what. I’m over it.
I think Dimitroff is way overrated.
