Favre angry, requests trade

[SightsSoundsBach13]

The Packers basically took a step backwards as an offense by not replacing David Martin through free agency and by trying to replace Ahman Green with risky Brandon Jackson. They also made little effort to improve to draft new defensive players.

It's a scenario that, if it unfolds, an initial team will have the upper hand until more and more offers come in that would push the asking price up.

It's funny that he won't "shut up and play" but Javon Walker mentions Favre's comments about him needing to shut up and play as something negative that fueled his desire to leave Green Bay. If Lord Favre would've stood up for Walker and maybe given part of his salary to Javon, a guy who has none of the learning or motivation problems of Randy Moss and most of his explosive ability, maybe Favre would feel more optimistic than he felt in his apologetic statement he made today where he says "I think we can be pretty good."

The most salacious possible landing spot for Brett is Chicago. Packers fans wouldn't know who to be more mad at: the Packers organization or Favre.

I would side with Favre, even though he and I really aren't trained on how to evaluate talent, I think Moss for a fourth rounder and a little more money is > Jones + Clowney in two of your first five rounds

 

[SightsSoundsBach13]

Bring Him In If Warner Gets Hurt

 

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Arghhhh FAVRE MAD, Arghhhh

Signed,

John Kerry

 

[Gambit]

Signed,

John Kerry

The Green Bay Packers have a Plan. Brett Favre lives in a fantasy world of spin. He plays at Lambert Field. The Super Bowl season is seared, seared into his memory.

 

[Mulli]

Signed,

John Kerry

Come on! Kerry has more hair.

 

[Jetstream Green]

ahhh....

poor wittle Bwet Fwave wet his diaper...he can't retire...John Madden could not handle it...he would have to find some one to kiss A#%.

Granted, he should be a HOFer but the Favre of the last three years is one crappy QB. It always ticked me off when they started picking on Jake Plummer when Favre was playing the same way but he was excused for throwing into triple coverage.

 

[Scot1]

Oh that silly Favre...the little girl whines...er, I mean, speaks out again.

This is the worst comment, but quite a few on this thread are not worthy of respect. Favre has proven his toughness over and over. What was it, 3 times MVP? He's never had a top receiving corps--maybe two or three WRs over the years that would rank in the top half of NFL starters. He has earned the right to complain if his management doesn't do the job of bringing in the best WRs possible.

I myself would not bring in Moss--among the most physically talented, but also among the most flawed, character-wise.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how posters on this board have earned their right to whine. A lot of this thread is a bunch of whiners whining about Favre's interaction with his team. I don't see OT heading the thread, but a group is sure getting worked up about something that has virtually no effect on the Cards.

Frankly, I would put the Cards on the list of teams that would benefit from adding him. I would definitely not trade or demote Leinart, but I'd trade Favre for Warner, happily, though I like Warner. If Leinart got injured, I'd start putting bets on the Cards to win the Superbowl. If that guy had good receivers and didn't have to carry the team, he would be amazing.

 

[CtCardinals78]

poor wittle Bwet Fwave wet his diaper...he can't retire...John Madden could not handle it...he would have to find some one to kiss A#%.

Granted, he should be a HOFer but the Favre of the last three years is one crappy QB. It always ticked me off when they started picking on Jake Plummer when Favre was playing the same way but he was excused for throwing into triple coverage.

Tom Brady gets him all hot and bothered these days........

BTW Farve SUCKS I wouldn't want him as a third stringer on this team.

 

[CtCardinals78]

This is the worst comment, but quite a few on this thread are not worthy of respect. Favre has proven his toughness over and over. What was it, 3 times MVP? He's never had a top receiving corps--maybe two or three WRs over the years that would rank in the top half of NFL starters. He has earned the right to complain if his management doesn't do the job of bringing in the best WRs possible.

I myself would not bring in Moss--among the most physically talented, but also among the most flawed, character-wise.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how posters on this board have earned their right to whine. A lot of this thread is a bunch of whiners whining about Favre's interaction with his team. I don't see OT heading the thread, but a group is sure getting worked up about something that has virtually no effect on the Cards.

Frankly, I would put the Cards on the list of teams that would benefit from adding him. I would definitely not trade or demote Leinart, but I'd trade Favre for Warner, happily, though I like Warner. If Leinart got injured, I'd start putting bets on the Cards to win the Superbowl. If that guy had good receivers and didn't have to carry the team, he would be amazing.

1. That was a good comment no athelete no matter who he is or what he's done should hold his/her team hostage the way Farve has done the last three years. Look at the treatment TO got when he said he wanted to be traded and look at Farve's treatment. I am sick and tired of people kissing his butt he is WAY PAST his prime.

2. If Favre was so concerned about a quality receiver he would have backed Javon Walker two seasons ago when he threatened to hold out of camp because he was grossly underpaid. Farve opened his mouth as usual and chastized his teammate through the national media. Now he's willing to go to bat for a locker room cancer and a guy who was team captain and admitted that he gave up the last two seasons because things got tough in Oakland.

3. We are not whining we are discussing football. Last time I checked this is a Cards forum where a lot of NFL news is dicussed and debated. If the "whining" bothers you don't read the threads. I get a lot of valuable information in here and learned a lot from people by fact checking their information when I agree/ disagree with them.

4. I'd rather Kurt Warner over Brett Farve any day of the week and twice on Sunday at this point in their respective careers. I get Sunday ticket and watched quite a few Packer games the last two years. I can't tell you the number of times I saw Farve force throws into double/triple coverage and get picked off. Amazingly it's always the WR's fault.

5. Fact of the matter is Farve is not a good teammate IMO. He didn't help Aaron Rogers and every year comes back to lead his team to losing records. Meanwhile Rogers a first round pick from 2005 rides pine! I believe Farve is selfish and the only reason he continues to play is to pad his stats and go after Marino's records.

6. I'll leave you with food for thought. Rex Grossman leads his team to the Superbowl with a 13-3 record and throws 23 TD's compared to 20 INT's. Yet people say he sucks and needs to go. Farve in 2005 threw 29 picks 20 TD's and a 4-12 record. In 2006 he throws 18 TD's and 18 picks and the team goes 8-8 largely due to a strong D. But everyone says bring Farve back and he can still play. Puuuuhhhhlease Farve is a backup on any other NFL team with the exception of maybe Detroit or Miami. His is digracing himself and his team he either A) needs to shut his mouth or B) hopefully retire because I am sick and tired of hearing about this guy and how good he is.


Scot I know we had a difference of opinion on a previous board pre-draft. I found it tonight and read the post you left after mine. I left another post for you there but I am going to copy and past it here. FWIW


I hope we don't go at it again!!!!! I don't know if calling fellow posters "whiners" is such a good move in the tact department but hey whatever floats your boat. HA! Floats your boat in the desert.


I think you are very smart and bring a lot of good things to the board, but you really need to learn how to lay out your argument without it sounding like your are belittling those who want to hear your argument. It can be very offputting and make people less likely to read that post and future posts by you. As I said you are smart and bring a lot to the table. K9 may very well have some different opionions but he does an excellent job or arguing his point of view without disparaging those who disagree with him and I know because I disagreed with him a few times. Just a little suggestion.

 

[Pariah]

1. ...no athelete no matter who he is or what he's done should hold his/her team hostage the way Farve has done the last three years. ... I am sick and tired of people kissing his butt he is WAY PAST his prime.

Favre said he was coming back this year in February. That's hardly holding anyone "hostage."

Favre is past his prime, no doubt. But, he's still a decent NFL QB.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Favre said he was coming back this year in February. That's hardly holding anyone "hostage."

Favre is past his prime, no doubt. But, he's still a decent NFL QB.

No this year he gave a quick answer but he sure didn't the last two years causing a serious distraction. I still think he is holding this team hostage however and here's why. The Packers are sitting on a 1st round QB and have no idea what to do with him because Farve comes back every year to lead this team into the doldrums of the NFC North. If Thompson threw Rogers in over Farve imagine what the Green Bay faithful would do to him? So instead he puts Farve in and meanwhile they don't know if they should go after another QB or if Rogers will be successful.

I am sick of Brett Farve getting a pass because he is Brett Farve. He is not that good anymore. If GB was smart they would throw Rogers in or at least give him a serious shot at competing for the starting job. This would allow them to know if Rogers is the long term answer at QB and quite possibly force Farve out. Can you imagine Leinart sitting on the bench three years because Warner wasn't man enough to know when he should step down? I'm not saying Rogers is Leinart I am just trying to draw something we can relate to.

Do the Packers have a shot at the playoffs with Rogers? Maybe, maybe not. Do they have a shot at the playoffs with Farve? Definatly not. Every position on the Packers is upgrading and rebuilding with the exception of one QB.

 

[Skkorpion]

Okay guys, settle down. You are both valuable contributors here.

Count me in the camp that doesn't have much respect for Favre. He has not been any good for at least three years. If, just once, he had offered to give back some of his huge salary to help pay for a good receiver, I'd cut him some slack.

But I don't blame Favre entirely. The gutless Green Bay management should have cut him loose a long time ago. In Green Bay, the tail wags the dog and that's why I hope they continue to lose. Favre has been well paid to play there and played well for years for those fans. Neither owes the other anything except honesty and it's sadly lacking on both sides.

 

[Scot1]

To CtCardinals: Let me take your points in order:
1. The comment I cited was

Oh that silly Favre...the little girl whines...er, I mean, speaks out again.

If you think that's a good comment, no wonder you don't like mine.
2. About Javon Walker and Moss: I certainly agree that Walker was good and Favre would have been better off keeping his mouth shut. As in many other cases, Favre wants to win really badly, and didn't want that screwed up by a holdout. Walker was one of the three I mentioned--he only had one banner year and right away starts holding out. I sure cursed Wadsworth's holdout, which led to play without adequate prep, which led to a career-stunting injury his first game, so I'm hesitant to blame Favre. As for Moss, I already said I wouldn't stump for him, but Driver is no Randy Moss.
3. Is your response really that posters aren't whining because they're discussing NFL news? Good grief. [And, Favre was discussing the Moss situation....]
4. Maybe Favre is throwing into triple coverage because his WRs can't get separation--needing Randy Moss. That said, I partly agree with you. I remember cursing him his first couple years in the league, imploring Holmgren to simply bench him after two interceptions in any game.... He thinks he has to carry the team, and looking at their recent rushing performance, he's right.
5. I agree that Favre should be helping Rogers more. As long as the coaches don't tell Favre Rogers has lost the job, I don't see why he should sit for a rookie--Warner didn't either. If the fans won't let the coaches bench him, well, I wish we had one player here that deserved and got such fan support and loyalty after a bad year.
6. Favre may have lost a little arm strength, but I dispute any claim that he would be a backup on most teams. The stats say he could still throw for 3800 yards, 49 plays over 20 yards, on a team with no running attack, where he was probably unwisely, trying too hard to carry the team. Don't forget that lots of people on this board were saying that Warner was washed up till that first game in '06--and frankly, behind a decent line with a good center, I'll bet he'd be a winner this year too.

As for your final comments: I think I did read your return post; you may have noticed that not everyone read my comments there as being disparaging. Doubtless you noticed that I apologized for any unintended belittling. This time, yeah, I'm being disparaging. You can say Favre's acting like a jerk, say he's in the wrong, and I have no problem. But the people who ride him in harsher tones than they do Ginobili or Horry or Stern, they can go stick their words...oops, careful, o voice of reason. I'm not a great fan of Favre, but he's one of the all-time greats.

Finally,

I hope we don't go at it again!!!!! I don't know if calling fellow posters "whiners" is such a good move in the tact department but hey whatever floats your boat.

If we do, we do--no money lost, anyway. Maybe I need occasional reminders from the anti-belittlement pro-tact police. Thanks, Skorp, for everything but recognizing that Farve probably has a few TDs left in him.

 

[Stout]

Thanks, CT, for that well-thought rebuttal. I don't have time nor inclination to go into it every time Farve opens his spewing gob anymore (I'm sorry, but has there been an offseason for the past three years that he hasn't been whining about something?). Suffice to say I think he opens his mouth far too often and should shut up and play, and deal with his team behind closed doors as players with class will do.

 

[Pariah]

Okay guys, settle down. You are both valuable contributors here.

We're playing nice, Skkorp!

 

[Pariah]

Do the Packers have a shot at the playoffs with Rogers? Maybe, maybe not. Do they have a shot at the playoffs with Farve? Definatly not. Every position on the Packers is upgrading and rebuilding with the exception of one QB.

Boy, I just really disagree. Again, I don't think Favre is anything near what he was 5 years ago, but he's a winner and that's a quality that is really important. He can still win a game on his shoulders (granted, these days he can also lose a game on his arm).

The best thing in the world for Rogers is to let Favre QB the team as they rebuild. If they have to throw him into a starters position now while the talent around hims stinks, he'll just get beaten down by the fans even more than he would with a decent team.

Unless Rogers somehow becomes the next Steve Young (in accomplishment, not playing style), then he's going to get run out of GB on a rail no matter what he does. Just ask Brister, Griese and Plummer what it's like to play in Elway's shadow.

Favre should probably be handling his business differently, but I don't see why he's been demonized like he has.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Thanks, CT, for that well-thought rebuttal. I don't have time nor inclination to go into it every time Farve opens his spewing gob anymore (I'm sorry, but has there been an offseason for the past three years that he hasn't been whining about something?). Suffice to say I think he opens his mouth far too often and should shut up and play, and deal with his team behind closed doors as players with class will do.

You got it Stout. Next time I am in Wilkes -Barre visiting the in-laws you can buy the Yuengling!

 

[vinnymac]

Okay guys, settle down. You are both valuable contributors here.

Count me in the camp that doesn't have much respect for Favre. He has not been any good for at least three years. If, just once, he had offered to give back some of his huge salary to help pay for a good receiver, I'd cut him some slack.

But I don't blame Favre entirely. The gutless Green Bay management should have cut him loose a long time ago. In Green Bay, the tail wags the dog and that's why I hope they continue to lose. Favre has been well paid to play there and played well for years for those fans. Neither owes the other anything except honesty and it's sadly lacking on both sides.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Boy, I just really disagree. Again, I don't think Favre is anything near what he was 5 years ago, but he's a winner and that's a quality that is really important. He can still win a game on his shoulders (granted, these days he can also lose a game on his arm).

The best thing in the world for Rogers is to let Favre QB the team as they rebuild. If they have to throw him into a starters position now while the talent around hims stinks, he'll just get beaten down by the fans even more than he would with a decent team.

Unless Rogers somehow becomes the next Steve Young (in accomplishment, not playing style), then he's going to get run out of GB on a rail no matter what he does. Just ask Brister, Griese and Plummer what it's like to play in Elway's shadow.

Favre should probably be handling his business differently, but I don't see why he's been demonized like he has.

I agree there is going to be a tough adjustment for Rogers and record dictates he won't make it. However I don't care how good he WAS when your throwing 57 picks in two years compared to 38 TD's you aren't leading your team anywhere. You heard of not letting fans coach, this is a classic example of not letting your fans act as a GM. Favre doesn't belong as a 1st string QB in the NFL anymore. The most f'ed up thing is that Plummer has had better numbers the last couple of years and all you hear about is how he's no good etc. But somehow Farve should be starting? Why because he won 1 Superbowl 10 years ago and is a warrior? Big whoop if I follow that logic why not have Joe Montana or Steve Young start for the Niners.

Besides being a tough competitor I challenge one person to make the argument that Farve has been better than Plummer the past two years and that he should be starting for the Pack. I want facts not that he's a winner because when you go 12-20 the past two seasons that's not being much of a winner.Why waste another year with Rogers on the bench?

 

[Pariah]

Besides being a tough competitor I challenge one person to make the argument that Farve has been better than Plummer the past two years and that he should be starting for the Pack. I want facts not that he's a winner because when you go 12-20 the past two seasons that's not being much of a winner.

I don't think your position is without merit until you got to here.

Don't you think if Favre was playing for the Broncos the past couple of season he'd have an equal if not better record than Plummer? Personally, I think he'd have another ring and Ben Roethlisbeger probably wouldn't be bugging the hell out of us with those Fathead commercials.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I don't think your position is without merit until you got to here.

Don't you think if Favre was playing for the Broncos the past couple of season he'd have an equal if not better record than Plummer? Personally, I think he'd have another ring and Ben Roethlisbeger probably wouldn't be bugging the hell out of us with those Fathead commercials.

I disagree Pariah. I love your posts but I have to disagree with you. I must have seen pices of about 10-12 Packers games the last two years. I saw Farve force so many throws into double and triple coverage. I think it was a Vikings game this past year I saw him throw a ball into quadrouple coverage.

He has always been a gunslinger and forced throws. When he was younger and had receivers he could get away with it. You could put him on any team even the Cards and at the end of the season he would be teetering on 20+ picks. He makes a lot of bad decisions. Being a true team player and leader means knowing when to step aside with diginity and groom your successor. If he wants to see class and leadership he should look at Kurt Warner. I just think Farve hasn't been good for the last 3-4 years and has been pitiful the last 2-3.

Also as a side note if I played as poorly as he did the past two years my butt would be at mini-camp (wouldn't be threatening a holdout). Besides needing the work to be with his teammates what kind of message does that send the younger players? Wow out team leader/captain isn't here why should I be. Just another example of his great "leadership, warrior"abilities.

 

[Pariah]

I have to disagree with you.

Fair 'nuff.

But you should know, you're going on ignore.

 

[Mulli]

Fair 'nuff.

But you should know, you're going on ignore.

Join.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Fair 'nuff.

But you should know, you're going on ignore.

 

[vinnymac]

I am sorry folks, but Farve is still better than most of the qb's starting. He is just on an average team. If Farve had a couple reciever like Boldin and Fitzgerald he wouldn't throwing a bunch of int's. He is still the team leader.