Fear and Loathing from Las Vegas

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Hey everybody. Long time lurker, first time poster. A buddy and I, being basketball nerds of the highest degree, went down to Vegas to check out the last two days of the summer league. I know I always look forward to the insights I read on this site, so I thought I would share my impressions with you all. Sorry in advance for the length, but I just got back from the casinos and I can't sleep, so I figure this is a good way to pass time in Vegas without losing money.

Team Analysis:

Warriors: I saw two Warriors games. In the first game (against the Celts) Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins looked great. Ellis was scoring at will in the first half and it was not until he stopped driving to the basket every possession that the Celtics pulled away. Biedrins looked strong and aggressive; he could surprise some people this year.

Despite a solid stat line, Diogu was unimpressive against the Celtics. He seemed overmatched by Perkins, Jefferson, and (occasionally) Coppenrath. He made up for this, however, by completely abusing the Suns, shooting 13 for 15 in a game where he took a lot of long jump shots.

Celtics: Tony Allen was on another level than everyone else, which is impressive because everyone on the Celtics roster was good. One guy to look out for is Justin Reed, who always seemed to be around the ball. Gerald Green looked lost for the most part, but showed flashes at the end of the Warriors game when he and Tony Allen started trading off spectacular dunks.

Blazers: Telfair is the fastest penetrator I have ever seen live. His handles are amazing, he always makes the right pass, and he has a better shot than I expected.

Despite all of this, the Blazer that impressed me the most was Travis Outlaw. It turns out the unfortunately named Blazer forward is more than just a draft day punchline. He has unbelievable elevation on his shot, is a tenacious rebounder, and could create scoring opportunities for himself better than anyone I saw at the camp. Look for him to have an impact this year.

Webster was mediocre. He played within the system to a fault, showing little aggression or athletic ability. His shot reminds me of JJ's shot two years ago in that it always looks like it is going in, but rarely does. He has potential, but don't expect anything from him next season.

The Blazers also had a 7'4 guy named Sinanovic who actually played pretty good defense. He wasn't spectacular, and did nothing against the Cavs, but he might be a name to watch for. Ebi Ere played very well also.

Cavs: The Cavs went undefeated despite their highest profile player being Luke Jackson. Their best player was was probably Azubuike, who is quite the slasher. They also have a couple of nice big men in Loncar and Oyebedije. They really had nobody noteworthy, but had much better teamwork than any other team, and constant substitutions allowed them to run constantly. Gilchrist was unimpressive.

Mavs: Pavel is gigantic (narrowly edging out Ha Sueng Jin as the biggest guy there, but getting crushed by the Korean in the biggest head contest) and he can slam dunk. He was also the slowest player I have seen here, and should have never been considered a top 3 draft pick. Both Powells looked good, and Mbenga would be a nice pickup if Dallas unexpectedly let him go. Other than that, nothing much here, as Harris and Daniels both sat out.

Kings: The Kings were a two man team. The Suns missed out on Garcia, who did everything on the court effortlessly and played stellar defense. Kevin Martin was probably the best scorer in Vegas, though he loses points for getting blocked by Pavel on one of the first possessions.

Pistons: Darko was entirely unimpressive. He has a decent shot, but his release point is so low that it can easily be blocked. He looked apathetic in both games I saw him, though he ended up on the floor a surprising amount. In warm-ups he seemed to be fooling around, taking no real game shots. He probably put up decent stats, but clearly intimidated nobody, lacking any aggression or initiative.

Maxiell was fun to watch, as he is very powerful and an excellent defender. Acker was one of the better penetrators here. Probably the most impressive Piston, though, was Amir Johnson, who frequently attacked the rim with tenacity and showed a lot of basketball acumen for a youngster.

Hornets: Chris Paul and J.R. Smith were on a different level than the compettition, and had the highlight of the camp with a half court, one-handed alley-oop connection. Everyone else on the Hornets, including David West, was virtually invisible.

Clippers: Livingston didn't play, but he sure signed a lot of autographs. Kaman was their best player, as well he should be. He may be taller than seven feet, and he moved better than any big man in Vegas. He also seemed to have a bit of a mean streak to him. Chalmers also played well, but nobody else particularly stood out.

Nuggets: Kleiza is a keeper. He had a really nice shot. Flores was pretty good too. Hodge played alright, but did nothing worthy of the 20th pick. Sanchez was surprisingly tall, but not surprisingly good. I was generally paying attention to the Suns for their first game, and the Clippers worked them in their second, so I relly don't have much else to say about them.

Wizards: Blatche is supremely talented, but I can see why he slipped in the draft. He plays selfish ball and tends to disappear for long stretches when he is not the focal point of the offense. I can't even recall who else was on the team, but i do remember that nobody else stood out.

I hope that was helpful. I'll post Suns analysis in a few minutes, but the post was getting so long i figured I should break it up.
 
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Suns Analysis

The Suns clearly struggled without Barbosa (a pinky?!), but there were certainly some good things to take away from viewing them. The following is an analysis of the 11 guys that played in the Suns last two games, categorized by their likelihood to make the team:

Dan Langhi Would Destroy These Guys:

Tim Bowers: Brought in (I think) to replace Barboas, Bowers actually looked pretty good early on. However, midway through the Denver game, he hurt his knee in a collision. He was used sparingly after that and did not play against the Warriors.

Nick Jacobsen: Think a shorter Casey with less athleticism and a less consistent jump shot. It is never good to be a shooter that can't shoot, and Jacobsen wasn't even hitting shots in warm-ups.

Harold Jamison: He started both games, but that's about all he did.

Michael Haynes: Haynes was incredibly frustrating to watch. He had two thunderous dunks against the Nuggets and a nice three against the Warriors. He also has good athleticism and a perfect NBA body. However, Haynes made so many mental mistakes it started to become humorous. Whether making an errant pass, commiting an untimely foul, or dribbling off his foot, Haynes was consistently disappointing.

The NBDL Needs Players Too:

Mindaugas Katelynas: Against the Nuggets, he scored 9 of our 11 third quarter points, flashing some quick moves and a nice jumper. Other than that, he was only noticeable when Ivaironi was yelling at him for messing up the set plays, which was often.

Brandon Kurtz: He did nothing special, but he didn't make mistakes and played solid defense. He was also better at getting to the line than our other big men. I would feel comfortable with him as my center at any level except the NBA, but I just don't think he has what it takes to battle with the big-leaguers.

Lyn Greer: A natural scorer, Greer was very impressive in both games, though he did seem to have trouble in each second half. He was very fast, a decent passer, and a great penetrator. Unfortunately, his weaknesses (defense and playmaking) are exactly what the Suns would need out of a back-up point guard.

Why Did We Sign This Guy?:

Dijon Thompson: Mustard jokes aside, the best thing I can say about Dijon is that he seemed to be taller than his listed 6'7. He was a couple inches taller than Slay and at least as tall as Diogu. As for basketball, he has some issues. He visibly messed up more than play, which made it that much more discouraging that he rarely seemed to pay attention in the huddle. His shot wasn't falling and his defense was as advertised. I think he has talent, but more often than not he seemed rather disinterested. Had he not been drafted, I doubt he would make the team based on his Summer league performance.

I Wonder If He Can Write a Good Blog:

Ron Slay: Slay was the Suns best player in the Denver game. He played very smart basketball, drove to the basket hard, made crisp, accurate passes and played excellent defense. He is also easily the most vocal guy on the roster, and it is clear that his teammates like him (and equally clear that his opponents don't). He is the first guy to cheer on the others and he has contagious energy and a clear love for the game.

That said, he was mediocre against the Warriors. Though he still played good defense (often on a much taller Biedrins) and set some excellent picks, he didn't seem to have the same fire. He also committed three offensive fouls and shot at least four threes despite clearly not possessing three point range.
I like him, but I'm not sure an undersized power forward with a limited ceiling is worth a roster spot.

Stephen Graham: He was the best player on the court for flashes. Graham has great athleticism, a quality jumper, and good defensive intensity. He also handled some point guard duty with surprising ease. His passing was inconsistent, and he does not seem comfortable in the role of go-to-guy, but he is as good a prospect as the Suns have on their roster. Somebody is sure to pick him up, it might as well be the Suns. Too bad he's a wing player.

Lucas Tischer: Tischer was definitely the best prospect on the court for warm-ups, where he made several exciting dunks. I've never seen such a big guy get up so high. His athleticism is off the charts. That's why I was disappointed to see him get very little playing time against the Nuggets. When he got time against the Warriors, Diogu absolutely abused him. With one quarter to go in the Summer league, I was just about ready to write him off.

Then something strange happened; Tischer started to play basketball. First he hit a smooth hook shot, then a turnaround jumper. Next he threw a nifty behind-the-back pass on a break and got the ball back for a monstrous dunk in traffic. Despie scoring only two points in the first half, Tischer ended up with fifteen.

Standing next to Diogu, Tischer seemed closer to 6-9 than 6-10. If I had to guess, I would say 6-9, 250. He certainly did not stand out for his size. However, he definitely stood out for his potential, enough for me to seriously hope the Suns hang on to him. At any rate, he ought to make the league soon, if only because Sam Cassell's reign as the league's goofiest looking player has gone on far too long.

 

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Thanks for your comments. They showed personal insight for the fans about the summer league Suns and the rest of the players.

Again, I really appreciate it. :thumbup:

Also I hope you keep posting on this Board.
 

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Great recap.

Now tell me about all the hotties at PURE in Caesar's.
 

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LoganMo, thanks for the breakdown. I wish Katelynas had shown more because he has nice size, excellent athleticism, and he's a good outside shooter. I thought he could possibly be a nice small forward prospect down the road.

I hope you had a good time in Vegas. You didn't lose too much money did you?

Thanks again,

Joe
 
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Thanks for the kind comments guys. At the risk of gaining the reputation of a too-frequent poster, I will now do my best to answer Sly Fly's question with a brief analysis on the ladies at PURE.

Dan Langhi Would Destroy These Girls:

Cindy: She showed potential early on, but hurt her knee while dancing on a bar top. They used her sparingly after that.

Bambi: I'm pretty sure she was a man.

Loughlin Needs Strippers Too:

Alexis: Lots of potential here, but she really didn't seem to grasp the fundamentals. As Bill Simmons would say, she was very, very long, but she is going to need to study more tape to hang with the professionals.

Who Cares if She Can Write or Not:

Cookie: Not to be confused with Sacramento's Cookie Belcher, this girl had it all. Smooth moves, excellent ballhandling skills, and absolutely no defense whatsoever. Someone's going to take her home tonight, so it might as well be you.
 

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LoganMo said:
Thanks for the kind comments guys. At the risk of gaining the reputation of a too-frequent poster, I will now do my best to answer Sly Fly's question with a brief analysis on the ladies at PURE.

Dan Langhi Would Destroy These Girls:

Cindy: She showed potential early on, but hurt her knee while dancing on a bar top. They used her sparingly after that.

Bambi: I'm pretty sure she was a man.

Loughlin Needs Strippers Too:

Alexis: Lots of potential here, but she really didn't seem to grasp the fundamentals. As Bill Simmons would say, she was very, very long, but she is going to need to study more tape to hang with the professionals.

Who Cares if She Can Write or Not:

Cookie: Not to be confused with Sacramento's Cookie Belcher, this girl had it all. Smooth moves, excellent ballhandling skills, and absolutely no defense whatsoever. Someone's going to take her home tonight, so it might as well be you.

That's nice! I think I remember them.

Your also forgetting about...

Candice Marie : Shows good size in the mid-section. Can handle double-teams with ease.
 

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