Felton to Amare lol

[Folster]

According to reports, the Knicks have offered Felton a 3 year $25 million contract. 8.3 That seems a bit steep considering he average 12.1 points and 5.6 assist per game. I personally thought he was more of an MLE type player

 

[devilalum]

According to reports, the Knicks have offered Felton a 3 year $25 million contract. 8.3 That seems a bit steep considering he average 12.1 points and 5.6 assist per game. I personally thought he was more of an MLE type player

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[Mainstreet]

Obviously, I agree. I really like Nash and in a hundred years I'll look back on him as perhaps the greatest guard to ever play in a Suns uni. That said, I'd like to see us move him before he goes from being the face of the franchise to being the butt of the joke.

Steve

Nash could be moved because he still has value but the Suns would be the butt of the joke. The Suns would not have a face for the franchise nor a proven PG to run the Suns offense. Would you prefer Felton (as the Knicks have selected) to run the Suns offense or believe Dragic is a starting PG as of today? Again, rebuilding does not mean a team gets better... they only get new players they hope will be building blocks. The Suns do not even have a GM or someone else running the Suns FO (besides Sarver) as yet.

 

[az jam]

Nash is still the glue that holds this team together. Fans will go to games to see him play. IMO keeping him on the team till he retires makes good sense as he makes the players around him better. Agree that he is the face of the franchise at this time.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Nash could be moved because he still has value but the Suns would be the butt of the joke. The Suns would not have a face for the franchise nor a proven PG to run the Suns offense. Would you prefer Felton (as the Knicks have selected) to run the Suns offense or believe Dragic is a starting PG as of today? Again, rebuilding does not mean a team gets better... they only get new players they hope will be building blocks. The Suns do not even have a GM or someone else running the Suns FO (besides Sarver) as yet.

Sometime in the next 3 years we're going to have to face life without Nash. When that happens we will get nothing for him. Right now, we could gain a future asset IMO. Usually, the argument for putting off something like this wins hands down but this is a rare moment for us.

If a lockout season really occurs, it won't matter whether Nash is on the Suns or not. That means, we could move him now and only have one of the next two seasons hampered by his loss. Sure, it's a big loss at the box office and probably on the court as well but this loss is imminent regardless. Since it will occur naturally in fairly short order, why not do it when the return is at it's highest and the price we pay is at an all time low?

Steve

 

[devilalum]

Insider says the Knicks are also looking for an outside shooting big man.

Suns East? or Suns Lite?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Insider says the Knicks are also looking for an outside shooting big man.

Suns East? or Suns Lite?

I just don't know. Can his game plan truly work without someone like Nash? It will be interesting to see. They have decent (average) talent around Amare so I expect they'll win some games but since they won't have a defensive presence they'll need to be able to fully execute the SSOL.

Hopefully, for their sakes, Mike has learned this is not Euro Ball and you can't run for 48 minutes over an 82 game season plus playoffs if you only use 6 or 7 players for most of the minutes. I hope so because I believe the NBA would benefit from New York being relevant again, especially if Dantoni can recapture the lightning in a bottle that was the SSOL Suns.

Steve

 

[mojorizen7]

Eddy Curry/2012 #1
for
Channing Frye

 

[AzStevenCal]

Eddy Curry/2012 #1
for
Channing Frye

No way. Let them fill their GM spot first and if it's Isiah Thomas we should hold out for 2 number ones.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Sometime in the next 3 years we're going to have to face life without Nash. When that happens we will get nothing for him. Right now, we could gain a future asset IMO. Usually, the argument for putting off something like this wins hands down but this is a rare moment for us.

Do you know that for sure? The rumors of his demise has greatly been exagerated for years. Perhaps you would have considered trading John Stockton as well. If Nash desires, I think he could play into the early forties.

If a lockout season really occurs, it won't matter whether Nash is on the Suns or not. That means, we could move him now and only have one of the next two seasons hampered by his loss. Sure, it's a big loss at the box office and probably on the court as well but this loss is imminent regardless. Since it will occur naturally in fairly short order, why not do it when the return is at it's highest and the price we pay is at an all time low?

This is not anything new. It was either JC or Cotton's philosophy (perhaps both) that it was better to trade a player a year early than a year too late. I agree with this philosophy. However, there are some players that are so ingrained into the fabric of a franchise, they should not be traded... unless there is a desire by those players to be traded. KJ is a good example. I think Nash is another example.

Also if you trade Nash for say draft picks, what makes you think Nash can so easily be replaced.

 

[Mainstreet]

Moderators, I hate for this thread to get kicked out of the main forum. I think there were some good posts here directly related to the Suns.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Do you know that for sure? The rumors of his demise has greatly been exagerated for years. Perhaps you would have considered trading John Stockton as well. If Nash desires, I think he could play into the early forties.

Of course I don't know this for sure. But how many point guards have played effectively at the age of 40 or beyond? What's the likelihood that a player with a chronic back problem that is experiencing an increase in injury problems will all of a sudden become healthy enough to play till 40? What's the likelihood of an aging, injured player taking a year off (lockout) and bouncing back stronger than ever at the age of 39?

This is not anything new. It was either JC or Cotton's philosophy (perhaps both) that it was better to trade a player a year early than a year too late. I agree with this philosophy. However, there are some players that are so ingrained into the fabric of a franchise, they should not be traded... unless there is a desire by those players to be traded. KJ is a good example. I think Nash is another example.

I'm not just talking about trading a player a year before he runs out of gas. I'm talking about taking advantage of the likelihood of a lockout season. Losing Nash is going to hurt this franchise but it could hurt a lot less if we play our cards right.

Also if you trade Nash for say draft picks, what makes you think Nash can so easily be replaced.

I don't think Nash CAN be easily replaced. However, I do believe our odds go up considerably if we actually try to do so. And if this organization really believes he has at least 3 more good years in him, then fine, keep him. AFAIC though, if this team is idiotic enough to depend on 3 or more good years from Steve Nash than they deserve what they get.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

if this team is idiotic enough to depend on 3 or more good years from Steve Nash than they deserve what they get.

Steve

Really? Maybe the Suns have a future after all if they keep Nash.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Really?

Yeah, REALLY! You don't have to be Nostradamus to see that parking your car on the tracks as the train rushes towards you is not a very good idea. Continuing to build this team around Nash is just slightly dumber than sitting on those tracks, IMO. And they will both lead to the same thing.

Steve

 

[mojorizen7]

Do you know that for sure? The rumors of his demise has greatly been exagerated for years. Perhaps you would have considered trading John Stockton as well. If Nash desires, I think he could play into the early forties.

While i agree that Nash isn't going to completely fall apart physically and skills-wise in the next 2 years, i think it's important to decide to replace him sooner rather than later and as a result,re-design the offense.

If we don't trade him OKAY,he should be able to stay here for 10 more years,but he needs to become less than an offensive catalyst and more than a role player.....somewhere in between. KJ played a similiar role late in his career here(comeback), except Nash is in better physical shape and could be a more valuable offensive asset than KJ was IMO.

IMO continuing to surround Nash with talent that "fits" his style at this point in time is simply short-sighted and borderline insane.

Also if you trade Nash for say draft picks, what makes you think Nash can so easily be replaced.

Thats kind of my point Mainstreet, IF we moved Nash i wouldn't be looking to literally replace him with Steve Nash Jr......thats not possible. I'd simply be looking to replace him with a younger,talented PG.

Thats not asking too much.

IMO as it stands today this team is going to have to refresh it's identity very soon. I don't see any way around that due to father time.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah, REALLY! You don't have to be Nostradamus to see that parking your car on the tracks as the train rushes towards you is not a very good idea. Continuing to build this team around Nash is just slightly dumber than sitting on those tracks, IMO. And they will both lead to the same thing.

Steve

The Suns need not build the Suns team around Nash, only continue to utilize his talent. Nash can adjust to personnel changes if the talent goes with it.

Watch out for that train.

 

[Mainstreet]

While i agree that Nash isn't going to completely fall apart physically and skills-wise in the next 2 years, i think it's important to decide to replace him sooner rather than later and as a result,re-design the offense.

If we don't trade him OKAY,he should be able to stay here for 10 more years,but he needs to become less than an offensive catalyst and more than a role player.....somewhere in between. KJ played a similiar role late in his career here(comeback), except Nash is in better physical shape and could be a more valuable offensive asset than KJ was IMO.

IMO continuing to surround Nash with talent that "fits" his style at this point in time is simply short-sighted and borderline insane.


Thats kind of my point Mainstreet, IF we moved Nash i wouldn't be looking to literally replace him with Steve Nash Jr......thats not possible. I'd simply be looking to replace him with a younger,talented PG.

Thats not asking too much.

IMO as it stands today this team is going to have to refresh it's identity very soon. I don't see any way around that due to father time.

The Suns personnel is not going to change overnight. I like Gentry's offense as he has mixed in the defense I know you have so desired. Maybe the Suns should select players for Gentry's coaching style which I think is excellent. However, the Suns need at least another quality big that is not a second round draft pick for this team to play well. Nash still fits unless you just want to get rid of him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Watch out for that train.

I am pure of heart and penguin strong, trains don't scare me.

Steve

 

[mojorizen7]

The Suns personnel is not going to change overnight.

I realize this fact. However,if Nash got traded tomorrow...you'll definately THINK the personnel has changed overnight. SUNS fans will be like.."Who are these guys?" LOL. Personally, i think thats a good thing....

I like Gentry's offense as he has mixed in the defense I know you have so desired. Maybe the Suns should select players for Gentry's coaching style which I think is excellent. However, the Suns need at least another quality big that is not a second round draft pick for this team to play well. Nash still fits unless you just want to get rid of him.

I like scoring points. I'm just not a fan of relying solely on a PG in order for my offense to flow....especially a PG in the twilight of his brilliant career on a roster full of good young talented role players.

We need to move towards replacing the core of this team....overnight?...no, but sooner rather than later.

At what point does "team's future" overwrite "loyalty to Nash" for you Mainstreet?

 

[Mainstreet]

I realize this fact. However,if Nash got traded tomorrow...you'll definately THINK the personnel has changed overnight. SUNS fans will be like.."Who are these guys?" LOL. Personally, i think thats a good thing....

Yes, there is no PG that will play the same way as Steve Nash. This made him a two time MVP.

I like scoring points. I'm just not a fan of relying solely on a PG in order for my offense to flow....especially a PG in the twilight of his brilliant career on a roster full of good young talented role players.

Yes, Nash is a star among role players.

He has had to create the Suns offense over the years which is what has made the Suns a player in the league. Really, I don't think the Suns are a very good team without Nash.

We need to move towards replacing the core of this team....overnight?...no, but sooner rather than later.

The Suns don't have much of a core. Nash will not hinder the Suns development. Maybe Sarver but not Nash.

At what point does "team's future" overwrite "loyalty to Nash" for you Mainstreet?

I'm really much more pragmatic than you think. If Nash wanted to go elsewhere and the Suns could really improve the team, I would endorse it. I do have loyalty to Steve Nash. He has made the Suns relevant. Again, put something concrete on the table and this becomes a much more pertinent discussion. I know Nash is not a hanger-on but he is loyal. Sometimes loyalty needs to be repaid.

Did I ever say I enjoy these discussions.