Fight!

[slinslin]

They should suspend O'Neal , Jackson and Artest for the year and force Detroit to play in an empty arena or on neutral ground for a year.
That's common in soccer where fans throwing stuff have injured refs or players in the past.

 

[Gee!]

force Detroit to play in an empty arena or on neutral ground for a year.
That's common in soccer where fans throwing stuff have injured refs or players in the past.

Um, this is America dude.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

10 games my a$$! Anyone involved in that should be dismissed without pay for at least the whole frickin year! The fans should be arrested and banned from attending any NBA game. That was awful. Watched Jim Gray on ESPNNews recount the event and he sounded shook up. Like he was about to cry or something.

Yeah, "I love this game." NOT!

Just junk the whole league! The NBA stinks.

I think we should air rugby during the NFL offseason.

 

[Cheesebeef]

this just had to happen on a night where Amare would be the lead story on Sportcenter - DAMNIT!

In all seriousness - I don't know what to say about Jackson - he saw his boy go into the stands and thought he had to defend himself - was that wrong - yes and no and I'm sure he'll be suspended for it rightly. Jermaine O'Neal - well he's just a freaking bitch. The fact that a 250 pound 6'11 dude took a running start at some poor fat guy being held back by three people just goes to show how soft he really is and this brings me to Artest . . .

Point blank - I think the guy is too crazy to play a sport in front of 20,000 people. We've seen him flip people off, ask for time off because he was tired promoting a rap almbum (even though he's making MILLIONS at his real job) and now goes BERZERK because an EMPTY BLUE PLASTIC CUP BOUNCED OFF HIS CHEST - It wasn't a bottle - it wasn't glass, it didn't even hit him the damn face - it bounced harmlessly off his chest and he went CRAZY - He's too combustible and too much of a danger to those ON THE COURT and OFF THE COURT and I thinkhe's gonna be gone for at least a year. I wouldn't be making these comments as strongly if not for his asking for a sabbatical last week - but I think that combined with tonight really just goes to show that the sky is red in that guy's world - at this point - he belongs closer to an institution than a basketball court. It's actually more sad than anything else - I don't ever remember hearing about this kind of stuff when he was at St. John's.

And to put it in perspective - as CRAZY INSANE as Dennis Rodman was/IS - he's never done anything close to this.

 

[CardsFan88]

I've got to say wow.

I was watching the suns game and switched over....right when wallace thought about shoving him. Because when I realized what was going on, the shove was in progress.

I have to say it was entertaining. In a selfish sort of way. Obviously this is horrible, but I couldn't help be pumped up. (I guess that's being human though...adrenaline starts flowing)

We should take a step back for a minute. As bad as this was, no guns were drawn nor knives. It was horrible, but it was fists, and bottles thrown. Hardly a deadly situation. (But obviously from people there it was dangerous to the mind)

That in of itself is bad, and in some situations I think arrests are warranted, but lets not overblow things. Respectfully. It was a brawl, a fistfight.

Some deserved it, some did not, both players and fans. With video, those that did, should be arrested, fined, suspended (players and fans). Those that didn't, should sue. I'm not saying millions of dollars, but a fifty-hundred grand, personal apology, a chance to blow things over with the player, autographs and lifetime tickets would be fair.

I don't take this as the sky falling, I take it as what it was, a freak incident that escalated into alarming but freakish but relatively safe out of controlness. It was interesting to see, something I'll remember for a long time.

BTW besides the beer I bought and have dranken, I bought some of that new Smirnoff Green apple stuff. Highly recommended. It doesn't have that nasty taste, tastes like pure green apple. Best non-beer type bottle/can drink I've ever had. Highly recommended. (except the price 7.99 for 6 WTF?)

With that, I hope I don't see this for a long time, and if I do, which we probably will, it doesn't involve weapons. The way I feel, if it doesn't involve weapons, it's bad, it demands reprucussions but isn't anarchy. (And that sort of group anarchy as society is what we want to avoid obviously)

 

[CardsFan88]

this just had to happen on a night where Amare would be the lead story on Sportcenter - DAMNIT!

Point blank - I think the guy is too crazy to play a sport in front of 20,000 people. We've seen him flip people off, ask for time off because he was tired promoting a rap almbum (even though he's making MILLIONS at his real job) and now goes BERZERK because an EMPTY BLUE PLASTIC CUP BOUNCED OFF HIS CHEST - It wasn't a bottle - it wasn't glass, it didn't even hit him the damn face - it bounced harmlessly off his chest and he went CRAZY - He's too combustible and too much of a danger to those ON THE COURT and OFF THE COURT and I thinkhe's gonna be gone for at least a year. I wouldn't be making these comments as strongly if not for his asking for a sabbatical last week - but I think that combined with tonight really just goes to show that the sky is red in that guy's world - at this point - he belongs closer to an institution than a basketball court. It's actually more sad than anything else - I don't ever remember hearing about this kind of stuff when he was at St. John's.

And to put it in perspective - as CRAZY INSANE as Dennis Rodman was/IS - he's never done anything close to this.

This totally has to be in the equation to (what you said)

It was just a plastic cup, but not being there its hard to imagine how you'd respond...because if anything hit you, you might react thinking it's the biggest iron brick in the world. In that situation therefore its hard to judge what hit you and how to react, but definately what he did was the wrong decision.

 

[jbeecham]

It's a shame that this incident is going to overshadow really good basketball from the Suns-Lakers game and now the Kings-Grizzlies game. I think Artest, O'Neal & Jackson should get the worst suspension ever given out by the NBA. I'm sure they won't get more than 10 games because it would devastate a playoff team. Wallace should get suspended 1 game for the shove, maybe 2 because I think punches were thrown when the benches cleared.

Also, I think future Pacers-Pistons games should be in an empty arena. Otherwise there could be retalliation/payback.

 

[CardsFan88]

It's a shame that this incident is going to overshadow really good basketball from the Suns-Lakers game and now the Kings-Grizzlies game. I think Artest, O'Neal & Jackson should get the worst suspension ever given out by the NBA. I'm sure they won't get more than 10 games because it would devastate a playoff team. Wallace should get suspended 1 game for the shove, maybe 2 because I think punches were thrown when the benches cleared.

Also, I think future Pacers-Pistons games should be in an empty arena. Otherwise there could be retalliation/payback.

I agree, except with the empty arena. The reason, is as americans I believe we should have the right to show we are better than this. We should be shown that we have to prove that we are complete idiots (yes prove more that this incident shows). We have to have faith in ourselves as americans. This was just a snake eyes roll five times in a row type of thing.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

If you're ignorant or drunk enough to throw a drink at a player involved in a professional sporting event - you are not a fan. You are an ignorant loser who is asking to be knocked out. What a terrible crowd.

Obviously the players are wrong for losing their tempers, but there is no excuse for people in the stands throwing debris at the players or the court at all. LOSERS!!!

 

[jbeecham]

One more take on this......Everyone is badmouthing the fans and how the fans continued to act after the Pacers ran into the stands attacking people. But, if a player comes into the stands and attacks a fan/fans why wouldn't the other fans try to protect each other. It's ridiculous to think fans would act any other way when you've got the visiting team in a hated rivalry coming into the stands and attacking the spectators.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

One more take on this......Everyone is badmouthing the fans and how the fans continued to act after the Pacers ran into the stands attacking people. But, if a player comes into the stands and attacks a fan/fans why wouldn't the other fans try to protect each other.

That is understandable to a point, but the fans that went onto the court and challenged players got what they deserved in my opinion. You want to go toe to toe with a player - you're gonna take a punch. The player is defending himself after being confronted in that situation.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

This was just a snake eyes roll five times in a row type of thing.

More like sports + alcohol = ugly incident.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

That is understandable to a point, but the fans that went onto the court and challenged players got what they deserved in my opinion. You want to go toe to toe with a player - you're gonna take a punch. The player is defending himself after being confronted in that situation.

Once players are in the stands they are fair game and once fans are on the court they are fair game. End of story.

 

[BradMannTX]

One more take on this......Everyone is badmouthing the fans and how the fans continued to act after the Pacers ran into the stands attacking people. But, if a player comes into the stands and attacks a fan/fans why wouldn't the other fans try to protect each other. It's ridiculous to think fans would act any other way when you've got the visiting team in a hated rivalry coming into the stands and attacking the spectators.

How ANYONE could defend ANY of these people involved in this is beyond me. Every NBA employee who went into the stands, every fan who was throwing punches and beer, even the coaches/radio people are accountable. Even Mahorn was in the middle of the stands. Get the hell outta there, dude. All that gets is "in the way." Nobody is helping when you go in to "help" to break up a fight. That is idiocy.

 

[elindholm]

BTW besides the beer I bought and have dranken

How many did you dranken before writing that?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Once players are in the stands they are fair game and once fans are on the court they are fair game. End of story.

That is true, but the loser in the stands who throws something is a freaking coward. In the past, it has been rare for a player to go into the stands (Barkley, Maxwell (in Houston?), etc). You know the guy threw something thinking there was no way a player would retaliate. It's too bad the crowd didn't part and let the player go one on one with the one loser who tossed his beer. He probably would have crapped his pants or run for the exit. The rest of the crowd could have taken the high road and simply tried to seperate the players and spectators, but instead tossed more stuff and/or got cheap shots in instead.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

BTW besides the beer I bought and have dranken

How many did you dranken before writing that?

 

[Cheesebeef]

How ANYONE could defend ANY of these people involved in this is beyond me. Every NBA employee who went into the stands, every fan who was throwing punches and beer, even the coaches/radio people are accountable. Even Mahorn was in the middle of the stands. Get the hell outta there, dude. All that gets is "in the way." Nobody is helping when you go in to "help" to break up a fight. That is idiocy.

I won't fault Mahorn - it looked like he was trying to break up the fight. Did you see the look in his eyes while trying to restain Artest - it was like - Dude we were the Bad Boys - but we weren't the Insane Boys!

The entire NBA tonight crew lost all respect by me tonight as well - they have spent the last week BAGGING on Artest - saying he's crazy, on a different level, not all there - yet tonight - they say HIS reaction is the same ANYONE would have. That's BS - complete and utter BS - Hell - they even went on to mention last season a similar incident happening with Antoine Walker - ye I didn't see him go absolutely BERZERK - which actually destroyed their entire argument. Artest went nuts because . . . wait for it . . . HE'S FREAKING INSANE - he's not the average player. Rodman never did anything like this, Danny Fortson's never done anything like this - NO PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE EVER REACTED LIKE THIS - is there blame to go around - yeah - the fan (whoever it was - I mean Artest attacked the first guy who seemed to be standing alone - does anyone even know if he was the one who threw the empty blue plastic cup?) who threw the cup should have been arrested, but how many times in the past have we seen someone getting doused and not going out and attacking the first person they saw?

Artest should spend some time in an institution before getting back in a pressure situation surrounded by 20,000 people.

And Jermaine O'Neal is THE BIGGEST BITCH I HAVE EVER SEEN AFTER THAT CHEAP SHOT ON THAT FAT KID.

 

[100%CardsFan]

this just had to happen on a night where Amare would be the lead story on Sportcenter - DAMNIT!

In all seriousness - I don't know what to say about Jackson - he saw his boy go into the stands and thought he had to defend himself - was that wrong - yes and no and I'm sure he'll be suspended for it rightly. Jermaine O'Neal - well he's just a freaking bitch. The fact that a 250 pound 6'11 dude took a running start at some poor fat guy being held back by three people just goes to show how soft he really is and this brings me to Artest . . .

Point blank - I think the guy is too crazy to play a sport in front of 20,000 people. We've seen him flip people off, ask for time off because he was tired promoting a rap almbum (even though he's making MILLIONS at his real job) and now goes BERZERK because an EMPTY BLUE PLASTIC CUP BOUNCED OFF HIS CHEST - It wasn't a bottle - it wasn't glass, it didn't even hit him the damn face - it bounced harmlessly off his chest and he went CRAZY - He's too combustible and too much of a danger to those ON THE COURT and OFF THE COURT and I thinkhe's gonna be gone for at least a year. I wouldn't be making these comments as strongly if not for his asking for a sabbatical last week - but I think that combined with tonight really just goes to show that the sky is red in that guy's world - at this point - he belongs closer to an institution than a basketball court. It's actually more sad than anything else - I don't ever remember hearing about this kind of stuff when he was at St. John's.

And to put it in perspective - as CRAZY INSANE as Dennis Rodman was/IS - he's never done anything close to this.

So are you saying that if I walked up to you and spit in your face you would say.."Hey its only siliva and it didnt hurt" and you would do nothing??? If so ...then you have a vagina. Give me a break. it was a matter of disrespect it doesnt matter if it hurts or not. Some people dont take getting disrespected. I agree with what he did. Any one pro athlete, rapper, movie star, etc are all people and you should do the same thing as you would if you met them in the street.

 

[CardsFan88]

More like sports + alcohol = ugly incident.

Exactly, this happens every game, usually its raider fans and us or other people in other stadiums (metaphorically).

But for THIS to happen, so explosive a situation to ensue, it was a snake eye situation five times in a row.....I mean so much had to happen that would allow this to occur. I mean he was laying on the scoring table, that hardly happens, and was so close to the fans, and people that wouldn't usually swing did...and....well it's hard to make sense of this at all.

Like I said in another way, someone has to be given the royal flush hand.

 

[CardsFan88]

BTW besides the beer I bought and have dranken

How many did you dranken before writing that?

At the time, about 8 beers and 1 Smirnoff Green apple. Was it written so bad, or my analysis of it?

 

[CardsFan88]

 

[jbeecham]

So are you saying that if I walked up to you and spit in your face you would say.."Hey its only siliva and it didnt hurt" and you would do nothing??? If so ...then you have a vagina. Give me a break. it was a matter of disrespect it doesnt matter if it hurts or not. Some people dont take getting disrespected. I agree with what he did. Any one pro athlete, rapper, movie star, etc are all people and you should do the same thing as you would if you met them in the street.

This is just ridiculous. There are laws for a reason and when people take the law into their own hands this is the kind of stuff that happens. These guys aren't on the street, their working as PROFESSIONALS. They should act like professionals, not like people that just escaped from an insane asylum. Artest had no regard for the results of his actions. He didn't even know if the guy he attacked was the one who threw the plastic cup. People were trampled by the riot he caused and he didn't even care.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So are you saying that if I walked up to you and spit in your face you would say.."Hey its only siliva and it didnt hurt" and you would do nothing??? If so ...then you have a vagina. Give me a break. it was a matter of disrespect it doesnt matter if it hurts or not. Some people dont take getting disrespected. I agree with what he did. Any one pro athlete, rapper, movie star, etc are all people and you should do the same thing as you would if you met them in the street.

getting spit in the face is completely different than hbeing spit in the face. And if I didn't know WHO SPIT IN MY FACE - even in your scenario - would I be justified to just find anyone (like Artest did) and pummel them because they were the easiest person to beat up.

And thanks for calling me a vagina - I wouldn't expect you to be able to be the bigger man and not start a riot because you're above thougths and thoughts earlier on this thread say it all about your class or lack thereof.

Way to make it personal though ass.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Rodman never did anything like this, Danny Fortson's never done anything like this - NO PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE EVER REACTED LIKE THIS.

Vernon Maxwell.