Amazing take! As much criticism as so many of us have given Keim combined with all the strong opinions about who should go #1, be it Murray, Bosa, or Williams, it’s laughable so many people are saying trade down because your absolutely right...The weight of picking #1 is scary as hell. There’s basically zero pressure drafting mid to late in the first round.
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Amazing take! As much criticism as so many of us have given Keim combined with all the strong opinions about who should go #1, be it Murray, Bosa, or Williams, it’s laughable so many people are saying trade down because your absolutely right...The weight of picking #1 is scary as hell. There’s basically zero pressure drafting mid to late in the first round.
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The ask was for a prediction, not necessarily what we want. At least that's how I answered the question. 
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Q. Williams and he wins multiple Super Bowls with the Cardinals .
In KK, we trust. Let him take his guy @ 1.
I have always been trade down
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He has him Rosen. A stud in the making with KK.
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I think they will try to trade down but not get a good offer and select Q. Williams at #1.
Murray is an amazing prospect who just takes you in by all he can do but I have consistently said the way you win with Rosen is a ton of ralent aeouar him.
And that latter proposition is not very flattering with Keim in control. Imo
Jim Otis
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You want to know who my well respected source is , my GUT feeling , not mistake proof , but vastly accurate over time . It says to me that Kyler Murray is going to be a Phenom in the NFL . I want him to be a Phenom in a Cardinal uniform . This is a pressure cooker situation as the #1 pick whitch non of us our used to . When I think of mistakes , I think the biggest mistake is not to take KM # 1
moklerman
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I'm going to stick with my emulating the Rams theory. The Cards got their Pac-12 QB like Goff. They got their perfectly coiffed, young, innovative offensive HC like McVay. Now they're going to add a beast NT to shore up the defense.
Granted, the sequence and timing of everything won't perfectly match but I really think they'll build around Rosen.
Granted, the sequence and timing of everything won't perfectly match but I really think they'll build around Rosen.
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Rosen has done nothing to warrant any trust in building around him and passing on Murray unless you think Murray is not good at all.
So Murray it is.
QB is the most important position so you always need to prioritize getting the best QB possible no matter what your needs are.
Even if you draft for need you don't even know if you actually fill the need. The draft has been a crapshoot also. If you spend top 10 picks on defensive linemen you have no clue if those guys are even going to be better than 3rd round picks.
People bring up the Rams because they are a good defensive team yet looking at their draft history:
their first two picks in 2018 were a Tackle and Center,
their first 2 picks in 2017 were a TE and a WR,
their first 4 picks in 2016 were a QB, 2x TE and a WR
their first 3 picks in 2015 were a RB and 2x Tackles.
The last time the Rams used a high pick on defensive player was Aaron Donald at 13 in 2014 and Michal Brockers at 14 in 2012.
So Murray it is.
QB is the most important position so you always need to prioritize getting the best QB possible no matter what your needs are.
Even if you draft for need you don't even know if you actually fill the need. The draft has been a crapshoot also. If you spend top 10 picks on defensive linemen you have no clue if those guys are even going to be better than 3rd round picks.
People bring up the Rams because they are a good defensive team yet looking at their draft history:
their first two picks in 2018 were a Tackle and Center,
their first 2 picks in 2017 were a TE and a WR,
their first 4 picks in 2016 were a QB, 2x TE and a WR
their first 3 picks in 2015 were a RB and 2x Tackles.
The last time the Rams used a high pick on defensive player was Aaron Donald at 13 in 2014 and Michal Brockers at 14 in 2012.
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My best case scenario, we get Quinnen Williams and Kyler Murray.
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Do NOT trade down. The Cardinals have never fared well when any team has the opportunity to jump ahead of them...….Mahomes, Watkins, Shazier, Dupree, etc. With the hire of KK, you definitely draft KM. Nothing more needs to be said. Anything short of that & we're the same ole Cardinals.
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I hope for KM but they will probably trade down.
moklerman
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I don't think that's an accurate statement. Rosen did plenty of positive things, especially considering the circumstances. And choosing to keep Rosen doesn't mean that Murray isn't good at all. It just means that he isn't clearly a significant upgrade over Rosen.
As others have pointed out, there is validity to Rosen + Bosa/Williams vs. Murray. Especially if Rosen is put in an offense where he has more opportunities to succeed. Sure, if Murray is going to give you Mahomes level of production and Rosen continues to struggle the choice would be obvious but I don't think anyone can predict their futures that clearly. Rosen may not be the answer and the Cardinals may move on from him but I can't help but wonder, for example, if he'd been the QB at Oklahoma how things might have gone?
Stout
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Agreed, but they may not have a partner. If they don't trade down, it will be QW.
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I think Q.Williams will be the pick.
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Would be ok with Williams.
Would rather have Bosa.
Would be ok with trading down.
Would not cry if it was Murray.
Would rather have Bosa.
Would be ok with trading down.
Would not cry if it was Murray.
quinnen williams makes the most sense.
look at steve keim...two time nfl executive of the year...a man with a huge ego....a man who drafts best in rounds 3-5...
last year he traded two picks in his sweet spot to move up for Rosen....oh yeah, and he is a scout...so he fancies he can pick a player.
then he had to hire a HC..in every interview...neither keim nor bidwill said anything about an X's and O's type coach...nothing about a "Leader of Men"...what they said repeatedly was that they were looking for a coach to develop Josh Rosen....and they found a coach who apparently fits that bill and is young enough to be with the team for decades if it all works out.
aaron rodgers has been mentoring Josh...and they bring in Rodgers QB coach to work with Josh Rosen.
They brought in possibly the leagues best oline coach to put together a line....to protect Josh Rosen.
steve keim,..a man who repeatedly uses the terms "Length" and "measurables" when discussing the draft....for every year he has been here
Hard to believe a man with Keims resume and ego is so gassed up on Kingsbury that he would essentially write off his entire 2018 draft as a miss just to go draft an undersized QB for him. a guy with zero Length or measurables.
if Rosen works out 2018 was keims best ever draft...got a center, got a WR, and got his franchise QB... that is a career maker as far as drafts go
but somehow the world thinks he is gonna drop all that,...an entire off season of garnering assets to improve Rosen....to pick a player that goes against everything he has stood for as a GM.
I dunno....I just dont see it. Not at #1
quinnen Williams... the dudes only red flag is that he gets gassed easily... but he is a beast when he is on the field.
Pick murray at 33 as a slash player when the rest of the first round passes on him for being too small.... the dude can play runningback and wide receiver with the benefit of throwing some passes
look at steve keim...two time nfl executive of the year...a man with a huge ego....a man who drafts best in rounds 3-5...
last year he traded two picks in his sweet spot to move up for Rosen....oh yeah, and he is a scout...so he fancies he can pick a player.
then he had to hire a HC..in every interview...neither keim nor bidwill said anything about an X's and O's type coach...nothing about a "Leader of Men"...what they said repeatedly was that they were looking for a coach to develop Josh Rosen....and they found a coach who apparently fits that bill and is young enough to be with the team for decades if it all works out.
aaron rodgers has been mentoring Josh...and they bring in Rodgers QB coach to work with Josh Rosen.
They brought in possibly the leagues best oline coach to put together a line....to protect Josh Rosen.
steve keim,..a man who repeatedly uses the terms "Length" and "measurables" when discussing the draft....for every year he has been here
Hard to believe a man with Keims resume and ego is so gassed up on Kingsbury that he would essentially write off his entire 2018 draft as a miss just to go draft an undersized QB for him. a guy with zero Length or measurables.
if Rosen works out 2018 was keims best ever draft...got a center, got a WR, and got his franchise QB... that is a career maker as far as drafts go
but somehow the world thinks he is gonna drop all that,...an entire off season of garnering assets to improve Rosen....to pick a player that goes against everything he has stood for as a GM.
I dunno....I just dont see it. Not at #1
quinnen Williams... the dudes only red flag is that he gets gassed easily... but he is a beast when he is on the field.
Pick murray at 33 as a slash player when the rest of the first round passes on him for being too small.... the dude can play runningback and wide receiver with the benefit of throwing some passes
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
That would screw the Steelers so hard. I'd love it!
Crimson Warrior
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At this point, it seems like about 80% likely that we'll take Murray.
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Got 5/1 odds on Murray not being #1. Too much to ask that we pick Bosa/Williams or TB/Oakland trade up for them?
