First round pick for Roethlisberger...would you?

Would you trade our round 1 pick for Big Ben?

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LaidBackPhil

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I think the entire prospect of trading for Roethlisberger is a bad decision. I'm not in love of, once again, giving up assets, cap space, and potential to get a 32-year-old QB with an injury history and behavioral mishaps.

Here are some reasons why I think it's a bad idea, all around:

1. Cap ramifications - over the next two years, BR is owed $23.7 mil. In addition to which, you'd end up having to cut Palmer in 2014, which would cost $6 mil in dead money. That's nearly $30 mil in cap space just to bring him in. We are still going to be paying Kolb, Levi, et al in 2014. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but I know all of the dead money would be suffocating.

2. Age - 32-years-old at the beginning of 2014. Which parlays into my next next point

3. Damaged goods/hits - BR has had a myriad of injuries throughout his career, which include but are not limited to: concussions, knee, shoulder, ribs, thumb, ankle, etc. He's a tough SOB, but eventually, the beatings will take its toll. Whether or not he plays for the Steelers for the duration of his career, I can't see him playing effectively beyond 36, IMHO. Furthermore, in his 9 1/2 year career, he's taken 376 sacks. This does not take into consideration the QB hits he's sustained. To put this in perspective, in Peyton Manning's 14 year career, he's only taken 265 sacks.

4. Rinse, lather, repeat - The Cardinals have been down this road before--the prospect of picking up, yet, another retread. Guess what? This is a team that has a history of attempting to fix the QB problem with duct tape. Think of some of the other retreads we've picked up over the years: Blake, Anderson, Kolb, Palmer, etc. How has that worked out? Ohh yeah, I'm familiar with the success Warnerhad, but those opportunities happen few and far between. Look at the landscape of successful QBs in the NFL. How many are retreads versus playing for their original team?

5. Regardless, you will not be happy with the assets we'd have to part with - if some the rumors are true, BR was shopped last offseason, but had no takers because the asking price was way too high. If he is shopped again, I would expect the asking price to be a little lower, but not by much; probably some conditional picks based on playing time.

6. We'd virtually miss out on the opportunity to take a stellar QB in the QB-rich 2014 draft - parting with any assets would hurt our chances of taking advantage of this illustrious opportunity. Even if we didn't give up a first-rounder for BR, we'd still be giving up at least a second. It's fair to say that BR would not the long-term answer, especially if he's only signed for two more seasons and giving a QB with an injury history an extension at 34 would not be prudent. Seeing as we're going to finish in the 15-21 spot in the draft, it might take trading up in the draft to get one of these QBs. Not having that second or third round pick might impede upon that. I'd rather groom said youngster and {gulp} keep Palmer for one more season than possibly mortgaging the future for another retread.

7. Character issues - many haven't forgiven him for the rape allegations and off-the-field reckless behavior. He's had two rape allegations, and got out of one of them on a technicality. Not the guy I'd want to tab as the face of this franchise, which prides itself on employing high-character individuals.

8. I doubt he's gonna be made available, anyway - Simply put, I don't see it happening. It's more than likely that they draft a QB in 2014 with their #1 or #2, have BR play one more year, and cut bait in 2015, when the dead money hit would only be $5.8 mil.

In summary--stand pat and pick up one of the promising guys in the first round next season so we don't have this conversation again for another 8-12 years. Stop gaps are not the answer, anymore.

I'll address a few issues

3. Damaged goods/hits

Yeah he's been beat up but has one of the debilitating injures that have diminished his skills or have driven many a QB out of the league. Both Palmer and Peyton are physical shells of themselves. Roethlisgerger is stil the same guy.

4. have been down this road before Blake, Anderson, Kolb, Palmer, Warner

Which had been to the Super Bowl before? How did that work out?
Lumping Canton bound Roelisberger together with Blake, Anderson, Kolb, Palmer is absolutely ridiculous.

6. Rookie QB. What % of rookie first rounders turn out too be busts? The odds aren't good compared to a proven three time SB QB.

7. Character issues - Twenty something punk drunk kid that hung out with the older kids and always had success and never failure until.
Smashed up his bike and almost died. Hung out at bars with his buddy teammates and got drunk and did or didn't with bar ******.

From what I read he realized he let his family down as well as his team. He's now married thirty something with a baby boy and one on the way. Bars and carousing are in his past.



If he could fit under the cap I'd take him for draft chioces in a heart beat. We would be SB contenders to 2020.
 

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FYI with Big Ben instead of Palmer right now we're a guaranteed playoff team and title contender... 4-5 years from now I won't argue against, his age and durability are legit concerns.
 

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FYI with Big Ben instead of Palmer right now we're a guaranteed playoff team and title contender... 4-5 years from now I won't argue against, his age and durability are legit concerns.

Add Ben to this roster, give us a tight end and a speed receiver and maybe we're a title contender. Take away Fitz or our number one pick next year and it gets a little tougher building around him. He's quite a bit better than what we have but we still have a shaky line, no escape valve for a pressured QB and no one to stretch the field. Our defense is good enough when paired with a good offense but we're not just a QB away from a good offense. When you factor in compensation to Pitt and salary cap issues, it just doesn't seem to be a good fit.

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As much as I want to win I can't root for the guy and wouldn't want him on our team. He already beat us to win a SB--not to get to one, to WIN one. If he took us to the playoffs or another SB the story is about him. I want the story to be about us, and our guys, and our franchise, and what they've been through to get there.
 
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Add Ben to this roster, give us a tight end and a speed receiver and maybe we're a title contender. Take away Fitz or our number one pick next year and it gets a little tougher building around him. He's quite a bit better than what we have but we still have a shaky line, no escape valve for a pressured QB and no one to stretch the field. Our defense is good enough when paired with a good offense but we're not just a QB away from a good offense. When you factor in compensation to Pitt and salary cap issues, it just doesn't seem to be a good fit.

Steve

We have more weapons offensively than most current title contenders. Also why are you assuming Fitz is gone?
 

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I would not want any more of someone's leftover quarterbacks. We have been that route too many times. It is time for this franchise to grow our own quarterback. Until we can learn what it takes to do that, we will never be able to compete with the biggies of this league on a regular basis.
 

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I'll address a few issues

3. Damaged goods/hits

Yeah he's been beat up but has one of the debilitating injures that have diminished his skills or have driven many a QB out of the league. Both Palmer and Peyton are physical shells of themselves. Roethlisgerger is stil the same guy.

Comparing the year Peyton is having to the one Ben is having is as absolutely ridiculous as you assert in item 4. Peyton a shell of himself, really?

4. have been down this road before Blake, Anderson, Kolb, Palmer, Warner

Which had been to the Super Bowl before? How did that work out?
Lumping Canton bound Roelisberger together with Blake, Anderson, Kolb, Palmer is absolutely ridiculous.

6. Rookie QB. What % of rookie first rounders turn out too be busts? The odds aren't good compared to a proven three time SB QB.

Fair point. I'll roll the dice on the rookie QB.

7. Character issues - Twenty something punk drunk kid that hung out with the older kids and always had success and never failure until.
Smashed up his bike and almost died. Hung out at bars with his buddy teammates and got drunk and did or didn't with bar ******.

Too much smoke to dismiss the fire, low class calling victims names.

From what I read he realized he let his family down as well as his team. He's now married thirty something with a baby boy and one on the way. Bars and carousing are in his past.

If he could fit under the cap I'd take him for draft chioces in a heart beat. We would be SB contenders to 2020.

I hope Ben has put his disgusting past behind him and has become a good person. I'm also very encouraged by how Vick seems to have reformed himself. Don't want either of them on my Cards team.
 

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Not that we will get Ben R but if we did get him for anything but a first rounder why not still draft a QB of the future in the first round. I would do both unless we take Johnny Football then I would just start him from day one.
 

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Stop with bringing in the freaking retread QBs. Warner was a once in a lifetime thing that will never happen again.


This draft is absolutely the one where you take a QB. And, you trade up if you have to.
 

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Not that we will get Ben R but if we did get him for anything but a first rounder why not still draft a QB of the future in the first round. I would do both unless we take Johnny Football then I would just start him from day one.

Todd Mcshay said this morning Johnny would be a perfect fit for the Eagles.

If I was Kelly I draft Marquise Lee. He could put Lee and Jackson on one

side and Maclin and Ertz on the other side
 

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He's getting to the age where he will probably decline fairly rapidly in the next 2 or so seasons. Plus, he will cost way too much against the cap to be worth it.

He can still bring it on occasion but just has been too banged up (on and off of the football field) in his career.

I said I would but it would depend on what you had to pay Big Ben. There is talk that he will get $20 mil. I sure would not do that deal. He has been injury prone recently so on second thought I would not trade for Big Ben.
 

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With the fact that you can be sure of absolutely nothing in a draft, you bet I would take Big Ben for just a first...I would do it in a heartbeat!
 

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As much as I want to win I can't root for the guy and wouldn't want him on our team. He already beat us to win a SB--not to get to one, to WIN one. If he took us to the playoffs or another SB the story is about him. I want the story to be about us, and our guys, and our franchise, and what they've been through to get there.

Lol...I could care less what the story is as long as somewhere in there it says Super Bowl Champion Arizona Cardinals. I mean, did the entire world talking about Kurt Warner getting back to the Super Bowl take away from the game for you?
 

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I said I would but it would depend on what you had to pay Big Ben. There is talk that he will get $20 mil. I sure would not do that deal. He has been injury prone recently so on second thought I would not trade for Big Ben.

Injury prone? You mean he is a china doll? hahahahaha No he has taken some of the biggest hits and keep on coming. he just always has played behind a very bad line and is willing to take a hit to make a play. That isn't injury prone.


I want to go to the Super Bowl. The odds of a rookie getting us there in a year or two is very low. We a championship level defense and it won't be there forever. If we had a solution right now QB I'd take it.
 

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Stop with bringing in the freaking retread QBs. Warner was a once in a lifetime thing that will never happen again.


This draft is absolutely the one where you take a QB. And, you trade up if you have to.


If you only bring in tomato cans then that is a logical statement. If you bring in a Super Bowl champ then that is a ridiculous statement.

I guess we have a lot of fans with a losers attitude.
 

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Add Ben to this roster, give us a tight end and a speed receiver and maybe we're a title contender. Take away Fitz or our number one pick next year and it gets a little tougher building around him. He's quite a bit better than what we have but we still have a shaky line, no escape valve for a pressured QB and no one to stretch the field. Our defense is good enough when paired with a good offense but we're not just a QB away from a good offense. When you factor in compensation to Pitt and salary cap issues, it just doesn't seem to be a good fit.

Steve

Where are you getting all this inside info that Roethlisberger is this bad he guy that you make him out to be? As far as I can tell he was always the BMOC. With that comes a lot of youthful arrogance and immaturity. Add alcohol and drunk hos with tramp stamps then anything happens.

Damn I bet he sounds like a lot of us. I guess you wern't a young drunk Pinocchio ******* that was on his way to Paradise Island but learned his lesson and turned into a responsible Dad and a solid citizen. Thats my story so I guess I'm more understanding of the Roethlisber timeline.

Didnt that used to be called sewing your wild oats?

I think he grew up a lot since then. No more bars and drunken parties with alcoholic buddies. Now he's a family man and goes to work. That's solid in my book.
 

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Where are you getting all this inside info that Roethlisberger is this bad he guy that you make him out to be? As far as I can tell he was always the BMOC. With that comes a lot of youthful arrogance and immaturity. Add alcohol and drunk hos with tramp stamps then anything happens.

Damn I bet he sounds like a lot of us. I guess you wern't a young drunk Pinocchio ******* that was on his way to Paradise Island but learned his lesson and turned into a responsible Dad and a solid citizen. Thats my story so I guess I'm more understanding of the Roethlisber timeline.

Didnt that used to be called sewing your wild oats?

I think he grew up a lot since then. No more bars and drunken parties with alcoholic buddies. Now he's a family man and goes to work. That's solid in my book.

No, I never once lured a woman to my hotel suite under the prefix of having her take care of my broken TV and then raped her. Boys will be boys I guess.

And no, I didn't have my bodyguards force a woman into a bathroom stall and then force her to have sex with me. But again, boys will be boys.

There are more but those are the two biggies. Granted, none of us were there and we'll probably never know the whole truth. And if you choose to believe it was just some "ho" trying to get money from the rich athlete, then fine but I don't see it that way. But I certainly wouldn't write it off as "BMOC" behavior.

Steve
 

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The next person who uses the term "*****" or anything similar to describe a woman who has accused a man of rape can expect a very long-term ban from this site.

And, no to Ben. Not because he is a scumbag IMHO, but because he is on the downward end of his career.
 

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The next person who uses the term "*****" or anything similar to describe a woman who has accused a man of rape can expect a very long-term ban from this site.

And, no to Ben. Not because he is a scumbag IMHO, but because he is on the downward end of his career.

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Todd Mcshay said this morning Johnny would be a perfect fit for the Eagles.

If I was Kelly I draft Marquise Lee. He could put Lee and Jackson on one

side and Maclin and Ertz on the other side

I have seen some sites that have Cleveland taking him. I am hoping that so many quarterbacks come out that Johnny falls to us. I would trade up for him and not take the chance. Almost every year I wait for us to draft a QB and we seem to only do it about every five years or so. If the guy doesn't do well we still will wait years to draft another one. That's the part that I don't understand. We have all seen what a big difference a good QB can make and how bad we can be without a good QB. I think its a no brainer to keep drafting a QB high until we get a good one.
 

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No to Big Ben , he has played the same number of seasons as Palmer has .
I would use our first pick for Jordan Lynch QB at NIU .
 

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If you only bring in tomato cans then that is a logical statement. If you bring in a Super Bowl champ then that is a ridiculous statement.

I guess we have a lot of fans with a losers attitude.

F you. Rothlisberger is no Warner. I don't have a "losers attitude" because I hold that opinion.

Other mods.... feel free to ban me.
 

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