First Setback of the season?

[slanidrac16]

Do you guys/gals consider the non-extension of Karlos Dansby a setback?

Losing Pace hurt for a couple of seconds but we did such a great job of bolstering up that position that I don't think we will feel his loss.

Q and Dockett are like a looming storm cloud, but they are still under contract.

Signing our top picks seem to be a problem league wide because of the recent legal fiasco, but all the other teams are dealing with it too.

This off season seems to be one of the best I can recall. No coaching changes. No major personel changes. A welcome breath of stability and the fact that we are coming off a "good" season considering the standard that has been set over the last 20 plus years.

To answer my own question, I'm not looking at the Karlos Dansby situation as a setback. I really feel the Cards FO are doing a pretty good job of attaining and retaining players they feel can help this club. In the past we would have let Dansby walk away. That doesn't happen anymore unless another team decides to pay a totally outrageous salary.

We will have plenty to worry about come next season, but thats next year. As we wait for the start of camp it's ALL SYSTEMS GO.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I don't see how it can be viewed as a setback this season. Next season maybe.

Without a contract, we all know that Dansby is going to be working his butt off this year, and that is good for this year. If he signs somewhere else after this year, then that will obviously be bad, but not this year.

 

[Shane]

Yup I dont see it as a setback this year.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The first setback of the season was the Watson injury IMO.

 

[joeshmo]

I would only think of it as a setback if the Cards werent offering a fare deal. Of which I think they are and are willing to work on it. Dansby and his agent havent budged from their 9 Mill per season and more gauranteed money then what Pace got, both numbers are crazy talk, Dansby does not deserve to be the 3 LB in history to get 9 Mill per season contract. They to me do not seem like a pair whom even want to or are willing to negotiate at all. Dansby will go to the highest bidder and according to the radio shows this morning they stated that Dansby has been mentioning to people in his circle that he wants to play in the south again.

I have to change my first sentance it without a doubt but be setback but one I cannot fault the Cards for as it takes two to tango. A set back I hope they have a backup plan for, a plan that they actually execute.

 

[slanidrac16]

I would only think of it as a setback if the Cards werent offering a fare deal. Of which I think they are and are willing to work on it. Dansby and his agent havent budged from their 9 Mill per season and more gauranteed money then what Pace got, both numbers are crazy talk, Dansby does not deserve to be the 3 LB in history to get 9 Mill per season contract. They to me do not seem like a pair whom even want to or are willing to negotiate at all. Dansby will go to the highest bidder and according to the radio shows this morning they stated that Dansby has been mentioning to people in his circle that he wants to play in the south again.

I have to change my first sentance it without a doubt but be setback but one I cannot fault the Cards for as it takes two to tango. A set back I hope they have a backup plan for, a plan that they actually execute.

I agree. The one thing I have kept in mind is that if Dansby walks next year, and I think he will, we will have 8.2 million in hand to look for a competent replacement if one is needed.

 

[joeshmo]

I agree. The one thing I have kept in mind is that if Dansby walks next year, and I think he will, we will have 8.2 million in hand to look for a competent replacement if one is needed.

But then again did anyone at all think Briggs was going to actually sign a long term deal with the Bears after he spent a year on the franchise tag?

We shall see. 5 months after today to not have to thank about it.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The first setback of the season was the Watson injury IMO.

I agree with the purple hippo looking thing a ma jig.

EDIT: Actually I though the first setback was keeping Rackers as our kicker.

 

[slanidrac16]

The first setback of the season was the Watson injury IMO.

Ouch. Forgot about that. Any word on his status?

 

[Totally_Red]

I don't see how it can be viewed as a setback this season. Next season maybe.

Without a contract, we all know that Dansby is going to be working his butt off this year, and that is good for this year. If he signs somewhere else after this year, then that will obviously be bad, but not this year.

Glad I read this before I replied. It says exactly what I feel. One of the wiser things the Cardinals did was franchise Karlos IMO.

If he plays lights out and signs elsewhere, the Cardinals replace him in the draft and extend Boldin. If he plays lights out and the Cardinals re-sign him, that's good too. If his production falls off or he is injuried, than his gamble failed. Right now, there is too wide of a wide gap between management and player rep regarding his value.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Ouch. Forgot about that. Any word on his status?

I don't know if there has been an update.

 

[black]

The Cards draft with FA sort of countered Dansby. It gave us depth along with talent on the D. Setbacks? no, not yet, just getting through TC and the Preseason with no serious injury is key just like every team.

 

[Garthshort]

Yes, it's a setback, because they simply couldn't get a deal done.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yes, it's a setback, because they simply couldn't get a deal done.

How is it a setback this year?

That is, unless we were going to use the money to resign Boldin, (wouldn't be enough) or someone else with the cap space, (not happening) I don't see how it is a setback this year.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I've always thought that they wouldn't agree on a new contract so I don't think it will be a setback.

 

[cgolden]

Not a setback by any means. Let's see him try to get $9 mil a year on the open market.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Glad I read this before I replied. It says exactly what I feel. One of the wiser things the Cardinals did was franchise Karlos IMO.

If he plays lights out and signs elsewhere, the Cardinals replace him in the draft and extend Boldin. If he plays lights out and the Cardinals re-sign him, that's good too. If his production falls off or he is injuried, than his gamble failed. Right now, there is too wide of a wide gap between management and player rep regarding his value.

Good. Because you'd much rather "replace" established players with risky draft picks instead of getting better/deeper at other positions. Thankfully, our last couple draft picks at LB, Daryl Blackstock and Brandon Johnson, are really coming along and will be able to step into Dansby's shoes.

The Cards draft with FA sort of countered Dansby. It gave us depth along with talent on the D. Setbacks? no, not yet, just getting through TC and the Preseason with no serious injury is key just like every team.

I don't know about that. The Cards have backups at Dansby's position who are much older than him in Matt Stewart, Clark Haggans, and Monty Beisel. None of those three are impact players, and I don't think that Haggans or Stewart are under contract for 2009. After Adrian Wilson, Dansby's the main playmaking position in the defense. I don't think that his replacement is on the roster right now.

I've always thought that they wouldn't agree on a new contract so I don't think it will be a setback.

I'm with you. But that doesn't mean it's a shame that we aren't pleasantly surprised.

How is it a setback this year?

That is, unless we were going to use the money to resign Boldin, (wouldn't be enough) or someone else with the cap space, (not happening) I don't see how it is a setback this year.

How much money do you really think it's going to take to re-sign Boldin? Signing Dansby to a long-term deal would have substantially lowered his cap number. Probably from over $8 million to around $5 or $6 million (if not less). That money could easily have worked to upgrade the contracts of Boldin and Adrian Wilson.

Instead, we have to hope that Warner is willing to swallow a high backup salary on an extension.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Not a setback by any means. Let's see him try to get $9 mil a year on the open market.

If he has a good year, he gets it. I say he will get about 10-20% more than what we think that he deserves. The cap is going up, so will the offers.

How many of us would have guessed correctly at the contract Pace received, and he isn't half the player than Dansby is...

 

[DaisyCutter]

Not a setback by any means. Let's see him try to get $9 mil a year on the open market.

I'm pretty sure we said similar things about Calvin Pace. That worked out well.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

How much money do you really think it's going to take to re-sign Boldin? Signing Dansby to a long-term deal would have substantially lowered his cap number. Probably from over $8 million to around $5 or $6 million (if not less). That money could easily have worked to upgrade the contracts of Boldin and Adrian Wilson.

Instead, we have to hope that Warner is willing to swallow a high backup salary on an extension.

With the way that the Cards do contracts, not nearly enough.

 

[ajcardfan]

I don't think Dansby not signing a long term deal will have anything to do with W-Ls this year.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I'm pretty sure we said similar things about Calvin Pace. That worked out well.

Yeah it did.

It got him off the roster, and made room for better players at a much lower cost.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yeah it did.

It got him off the roster, and made room for better players at a much lower cost.

I guarantee that won't happen if we lose Dansby.

 

[joeshmo]

How much money do you really think it's going to take to re-sign Boldin? Signing Dansby to a long-term deal would have substantially lowered his cap number. Probably from over $8 million to around $5 or $6 million (if not less). That money could easily have worked to upgrade the contracts of Boldin and Adrian Wilson.

Considering the contract demands od Dansby I am not so sure about that.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Yeah it did.

It got him off the roster, and made room for better players at a much lower cost.

Seriously? So sure about Matt Stewart and a 32-year-old Clark Haggans? What about next year? The year after that?