Fisher vs. Johnson

[Cbus cardsfan]

Let me start by saying I don't want either for the Cards at 7, but while many are all gaga over Fisher, Lane Johnson is the more intriguing, better prospect. Look at a comparison:
1-Johnson face better athletes in Big 12 than Fisher did in the vastly inferior MAC.
2- Size is a wash, Fisher 6'7 306, Johnson 6'6 303. But Johnson has longer arms.
3- Johnson is a better athlete. He was a former QB.
4- Johnson posted better numbers than Fisher. He ran a 4.72 with a ridiculously fast 1.61 10 yard split. Johnson posted a WR-like 37.5 vertical and did 28 reps on the bench.

Fisher's #'s were respectable at 5.05 with 1.70 split and 27 reps on the bench.

Fisher has better feet and may be a better 1st year player but Johnson's best days as a LT are in front of him as he is relatively new to the position while, who knows with Fisher. He may have already reached his ceiling.

I haven't understood all the hype with Fisher while Johnson is more of an afterthought, but, if you're going to head to head, I'm taking Johnson.

 

[Duckjake]

Let me just say that unless they can get Dr. Joeckel the Cards should go with another position besides T because neither one would be BPA.

Oh and please no Tackles that wore #75 in college.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Let me just say that unless they can get Dr. Joeckel the Cards should go with another position besides T because neither one would be BPA.

Oh and please no Tackles that wore #75 in college.

Agree 100%.

 

[GatorAZ]

Fisher has outstanding technique, like scary good. Plus he's younger and more experienced. I wouldn't take either at #7 though.

 

[overseascardfan]

Not saying Fisher is better than Johnson but not saying he's worse but you can't necessarily go by small school vs big school in terms in competition. Joe Staley came also from Central Michigan and he is a pretty good LT in the NFL.

This is a really weak draft so if ARZ ended up taking Fisher because guys like Joeckel, Jones, Moore are off the board then I wouldn't be upset because this draft as a whole is a crap shoot with no clear cut #1 pick.

 

[kerouac9]

Fisher is currently overrated; Johnson is currently properly rated. Don't be surprised when Fisher "falls" on draft day--to where he was originally predicted to go: the mid-late 1st round.

 

[Snakester]

Watching Fisher and Johnson at the Senior Bowl makes it an easy pick for me. Fisher was clearly the better player. There are only two other players in this draft that I might take over Fisher and they are Joeckel and Jarvis Jones. I think there is a good chance that Fisher will be a better LT than Joeckel.

 

[MWOOD92]

Fisher is probably the most overrated player in the draft. Just say no!

 

[Garthshort]

I'm only a fan, but at least I know what I am. Because the more I read about who we should/shouldn't draft I know there are a lot of commedians masquerading as fans masquerading as scouts.

 

[Southpaw]

This is a really weak draft so if ARZ

Disagree. Top ten is thin/weak valuewise. After 10 it is extremely value loaded and full right through the 2nd and may end up being one of the better overall drafts for NFL early starters. Could be dubbed a working man's draft.

 

[JeffGollin]

Dismissive comments here, denigrating both of these guys, have a "Flat Earth Society" tone to them. Both Fisher and Johnson appear to be Top 10-15 prospects.

Before we get "all statty" when comparing the two, what may be more relevant is how each of these guys will performed when live bullets are flying:

- Which one is the better "road grader?"

- Who enjoys hitting more?

- Who looks more consistent keeping pass rushers off the QB?

- Which one is more disciplined and better at avoiding penalties?

- Any durability differences?

- Which one seems better able to absorb an NFL playbook?

 

[Bodha]

This is a battle of an unknown commodity VS a known commodity.


The problem is Lane johnson reguarly got his ass kicked. And he was facing NFL talent most weeks, so you gotta consider that.

Wheres Fisher was dominant vs lessor talent.



So knowing that Lane is not a franchise T, thats enough to go the other way to grab Fisher, who may or may not be a franchise T.

 

[binkar]

Fisher is probably the most overrated player in the draft. Just say no!

Care to explain why?

 

[MWOOD92]

Care to explain why?

1. He played in the MAC Conference
2. He played against scrubs
3. I've seen his tape, it's nothing special
4. He would be 4th best if Lewan and Matthews left college
5. He does good on a couple of DRILLS and now everyone is in love with him??

He's a mid 20's player being hyped up as a top 10 pick. He is NOT worth #7. Plain and simple.

 

[JeffGollin]

1. He played in the MAC Conference
2. He played against scrubs
3. I've seen his tape, it's nothing special
4. He would be 4th best if Lewan and Matthews left college
5. He does good on a couple of DRILLS and now everyone is in love with him??

He's a mid 20's player being hyped up as a top 10 pick. He is NOT worth #7. Plain and simple.

- Any evidence that no MAC linemen ever make it in the pros?

- Any evidence that Fisher never played against first-stringers?

- What's wrong with being 2nd best OL in any draft year? And who's to say that, if Lewan and Matthews came out this year, all four wouldn't be drafted in the top 10?

- Last time I looked, Senior Bowl Week included both drills and a game (Fisher was impressive at both).

- What's your assessment of this year's talent plateau compared to other draft classes? i.e. how many elite players are there? And what's drop off in quality, say, from #10 To #20 (or from #7 to #20)?

 

[az jam]

I like Fisher at #7. Pro scouts also like him.

 

[MWOOD92]

- Any evidence that no MAC linemen ever make it in the pros?

- Any evidence that Fisher never played against first-stringers?

- What's wrong with being 2nd best OL in any draft year? And who's to say that, if Lewan and Matthews came out this year, all four wouldn't be drafted in the top 10?

- Last time I looked, Senior Bowl Week included both drills and a game (Fisher was impressive at both).

- What's your assessment of this year's talent plateau compared to other draft classes? i.e. how many elite players are there? And what's drop off in quality, say, from #10 To #20 (or from #7 to #20)?

- Joe Staley, 28th overall pick. MAC Conference is WEAK. Everyone knows this.
- Of course he played against first stringers, they sucked
- All four of them going top 10 wouldn't happen. Other teams have needs and there's more talent available besides OT.
- It was one game where his competition was mainly scrubs. You can't compare Senior Bowl to a NFL game, so it doesn't mean much to me.
- This OL draft class is fairly weak but has a lot of depth. The only OT I see being "elite" would be Luke Joeckel, and even he isn't the player that Joe Thomas was coming out of college. I believe the highest Fisher should go is in the mid teens (only because of his position). Top 10? Definitely not.

 

[az jam]

I like Fisher at #7. Pro scouts also like him.

However, I do like Warmack better but if he is taken Fisher would be my 2nd choice.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I like Fisher at #7. Pro scouts also like him.

What pro scouts have you heard comment? I've heard Mayock and some draft sites like him, but haven't heard any pro scouts remarks.

 

[JeffGollin]

- Joe Staley, 28th overall pick. MAC Conference is WEAK. Everyone knows this.
- Of course he played against first stringers, they sucked
- All four of them going top 10 wouldn't happen. Other teams have needs and there's more talent available besides OT.
- It was one game where his competition was mainly scrubs. You can't compare Senior Bowl to a NFL game, so it doesn't mean much to me.
- This OL draft class is fairly weak but has a lot of depth. The only OT I see being "elite" would be Luke Joeckel, and even he isn't the player that Joe Thomas was coming out of college. I believe the highest Fisher should go is in the mid teens (only because of his position). Top 10? Definitely not.

Want to lay out your Top 20 Board for us?

 

[LuckyNumber11]

I think Fisher vs Joekel is more of a comparison. Fisher might be better than Joekel IMO. I think Johnson's a joke

 

[Totally_Red]

I'll take Mike Mayock's opinion over anybody on this board, and he says Eric Fisher is right there with Luke Joeckel. Charlie Casserly was also impressed after watching his Michigan State game tape and the O-line drills on Saturday. I hope we have a choice between Warmack and Fisher and if we don't, I hope we take whoever falls to us.

 

[Chopper0080]

And I got the impression from the combine the gap betwen all three tightened. Look all three lack physicality but have great feet. All three are very solid technichians, and both Johnson and Fisher are new to the position. IMO, they are all pretty much a wash with Joeckel getting an edge due to the competition he faced, but honestly, I was more impressed during the year with Johnson's shutting down of pass rushers as I watched the Texas and Texas A&M games live.


If I were to rank them, I would do so as
1-Luke Joeckel
2-Lane Johnson
3-Eric Fisher

but the thing that seperates them the most IMO is the level of competition they faced, not their actual athletic ability.

 

[Garthshort]

Totally_Red, totally agree. I'm just wondering if Mayock and Casserly know where Fisher went to school.

 

[Chopper0080]

I'll take Mike Mayock's opinion over anybody on this board, and he says Eric Fisher is right there with Luke Joeckel. Charlie Casserly was also impressed after watching his Michigan State game tape and the O-line drills on Saturday. I hope we have a choice between Warmack and Fisher and if we don't, I hope we take whoever falls to us.

Even me?

Just kidding. The one thing to consider on Mayock and most of the draft experts is that they project the players and not necessarily where they fit on teams. One reason Mayock doesn't like mock drafts is because he understands that each team drafts differently and knows their own schemes/rosters better than he can. What I personally like about Mayock is he seems to focus more on what players can do rather than what they can't do. I like that when focusing on player's potential.

Personally, I like our offensive tackles more than I like our offensive guards which is why I value Warmack and Cooper more than Joeckel, Johnson or Fisher. I think we upgrade more from Colledge/Snyder to Warmack/Cooper than from Brown/Massie to Joeckel/Fisher/Johnson. That is why I "stand on the table" for Warmack/Cooper over those tackles.