Fitz' speed

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by kerouac9

As for the place of selection, I just don't understand it. When was the last time that a right guard was selected #2 overall? If a player can potentially be the best player in the league at his position (as Taylor projects), it would be a VALUE selection.


Oh, yeah, and Bryant Johnson's going to be good. Real good.

Thats not all....Here is my response from an earlier thread:

I like Taylor and would draft him at #10 or later but not @ #3-It is just too high to pay a safety. Especially when the drop-off between Taylor and guys like Stuart Schweigert, Jamaal Brimmer, and Brandon Everage arent worth paying the extra millions for Taylor.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
I like Taylor and would draft him at #10 or later but not @ #3-It is just too high to pay a safety. Especially when the drop-off between Taylor and guys like Stuart Schweigert, Jamaal Brimmer, and Brandon Everage arent worth paying the extra millions for Taylor.

Again, I refuse to accept an economic response. What price do you put on playmaking ability? On leadership? On attitude? On establishing an identity? We're paying insane money to an underperforming offensive tackle. I wouldn't mind paying less money to a safety that can galvanize our defense for the next decade or so.

If you trade lower than 5, you're not going to get Taylor. I don't want any safety; Adrian Wilson is one of my favorite players on the team. I want Taylor. Detroit or Washington will jump all over him, I guarantee it, and say that they got the steal of the draft.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Again, I refuse to accept an economic response. What price do you put on playmaking ability? On leadership? On attitude? On establishing an identity? We're paying insane money to an underperforming offensive tackle. I wouldn't mind paying less money to a safety that can galvanize our defense for the next decade or so.

If you trade lower than 5, you're not going to get Taylor. I don't want any safety; Adrian Wilson is one of my favorite players on the team. I want Taylor. Detroit or Washington will jump all over him, I guarantee it, and say that they got the steal of the draft.

It is not so much economic. I dont mind paying a #3 pick millions but I think the drop-off between Taylor and some other safetys out there isnt as big as you think. Thats just my opinon.

If we were tot ake Manning or Roth @ #3 I am fine with it b/c I thik the drop off for what you will get at QB at pick 33 is huge.

At safety I am not so sure!

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
It is not so much economic. I dont mind paying a #3 pick millions but I think the drop-off between Taylor and some other safetys out there isnt as big as you think. Thats just my opinon.

If we were tot ake Manning or Roth @ #3 I am fine with it b/c I thik the drop off for what you will get at QB at pick 33 is huge.

At safety I am not so sure!

I see what you're saying; we're not going to be able to convince each other. To me, the dropoff between Taylor and the next defensive player in the draft is enormous. That's why I think he should be taken #3.

I won't cry if the Cards take Eli or Ben, but I'll be pretty upset if the Cards take neither of them nor Taylor. I don't see much of a dropoff (if any) between Fitz and Williams, for that matter, but I think Williams is a better fit.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I see what you're saying; we're not going to be able to convince each other. To me, the dropoff between Taylor and the next defensive player in the draft is enormous. That's why I think he should be taken #3.

I won't cry if the Cards take Eli or Ben, but I'll be pretty upset if the Cards take neither of them nor Taylor. I don't see much of a dropoff (if any) between Fitz and Williams, for that matter, but I think Williams is a better fit.

Yes we probably wont be able to.

I dont think drafting a WR #3 is something this team should do either. 2 second year players and a rookie AND, if it isnt a smoke screen, McCown at QB? And Green says this team can win now? HAHAHAHAH I dont buy that!

Wiliams might be a better 'fit' I just dont think he is all-around as talented as Fitz. Having said that, Williams style of play probably fits better with what the Cards currently have at wr.

After all thats gone on today I dont think we know what will happen but, unfortunatly to me, it appears McCown might be throwing to Fitz after all! uggggh

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
And none of those players mentioned above where drafted in the top three. Heck, Dawkins, Lynch, and Harrison were all drafted AFTER the first round.

Drafting Taylor #3 would be a monumental mistake with a QB on the board, a RB on the board, A DE on the board, or even a WR on the board.

Look at what R Williams did for the Cowboys!!! Taylor would provide a major impact on D, it would give the Cards an instant probowler on D,a game changer.

 

[SHORTY19991]

IMO speed is somewhat overrated. I'll take a receiver who can make tough catches in traffic, get physical with the secondary, and will do anything it take to win. Fitz has a huge upside. Who better to pair him up with than Boldin and Johnson, who had a decent rookie season. If McCown is really this teams QB, then the it's up to the WR's. Just like when Denny was in Minnesota. The WR's will be the offense.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Fitzgerald has everything except elite speed. Kind of reminds me of a guy named Jerry Rice.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
Fitzgerald has everything except elite speed. Kind of reminds me of a guy named Jerry Rice.

Reminds me of Anquan Boldin.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Reminds me of Anquan Boldin.

Another good example. I'll take a Pro-Bowl WR any day.

 

[SECTION 11]

It's a beautiful thing.

 

[slinslin]

Concerning Randy Moss I read somewhere he has a 51" vertical leap. That is pretty unique and is another reason why he is great.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Fitz

I'm not a big Fitz guy.....but I have no problem with a super impact player who can start and contribute on day 1.

The news of Blakes demise....the news of us looking for a backup experienced QB....it may spell F-I-T-Z.

The again it may spell S-M-O-K-E.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
Fitzgerald has everything except elite speed. Kind of reminds me of a guy named Jerry Rice.

This is such a weak argument. I'm glad you have faith, but that's not going to go very far to convince anyone. Again the "Two Anquan has to be better than one" arguement doesn't hold a lot of water. Tim Brown and Jerry Rice did nothing this season without a legtitimate big-play WR in Porter on the field. Injured Eric Moulds and Josh Reed did nothing without bid-play WR Peerless Price on the roster.

I'll take my evidence over your faith (based on one season's production, even) any day.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by kerouac9
This is such a weak argument. I'm glad you have faith, but that's not going to go very far to convince anyone. Again the "Two Anquan has to be better than one" arguement doesn't hold a lot of water. Tim Brown and Jerry Rice did nothing this season without a legtitimate big-play WR in Porter on the field. Injured Eric Moulds and Josh Reed did nothing without bid-play WR Peerless Price on the roster.

I'll take my evidence over your faith (based on one season's production, even) any day.

Tim Brown and Jerry Rice are both 100 years old. They are both on their last legs. However I'll take both of them in their prime 15 years ago. Talk about a weak arguement!

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
Tim Brown and Jerry Rice are both 100 years old. They are both on their last legs. However I'll take both of them in their prime 15 years ago. Talk about a weak arguement!

What about Moulds and Reed? Both are in or entering their primes, and have only adequate speed (Moulds had a groin injury). They couldn't move the ball through the air.

You may point to the Bucs, but they passed every down. I don't think that Green wants to run a system where he's passing 60% of the time or more.

Repeat that it isn't so as often as you want, but Fitzgerald is a horrible fit for this team, and would be a horrible pick.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by kerouac9
What about Moulds and Reed? Both are in or entering their primes, and have only adequate speed (Moulds had a groin injury). They couldn't move the ball through the air.

You may point to the Bucs, but they passed every down. I don't think that Green wants to run a system where he's passing 60% of the time or more.

Repeat that it isn't so as often as you want, but Fitzgerald is a horrible fit for this team, and would be a horrible pick.

As you mentioned Moulds was injured, and even when not, he's no Quan. And Reed is in the number two spot by default. So that comparison is not valid, IMO.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by red desert
As you mentioned Moulds was injured, and even when not, he's no Quan. And Reed is in the number two spot by default. So that comparison is not valid, IMO.

Eric Moulds is a Top 5 wideout in the NFL! Easy.

The point is not the players, it's the speed aspect. You have to have speed in your starting WR corps, and if you don't, your offense is in trouble.

Again, we don't need more young players in the WR corps. We need a veteran to help take the pressure off these guys.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Eric Moulds is a Top 5 wideout in the NFL! Easy.

The point is not the players, it's the speed aspect. You have to have speed in your starting WR corps, and if you don't, your offense is in trouble.

Again, we don't need more young players in the WR corps. We need a veteran to help take the pressure off these guys.

Darrell Jackson would look great next to Quan.

So what is our primary need in your opinion? Veteran leadership or "speed"? The obvious answer is both, but which is more important to establishing our offense next year?

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by red desert
Darrell Jackson would look great next to Quan.

So what is our primary need in your opinion? Veteran leadership or "speed"? The obvious answer is both, but which is more important to establishing our offense next year?

I don't think that it's an either/or question. I think that one thing we don't need is more youth. On a sliding scale, I'd rather have a 4th year veteran with 4.45 speed than a rookie with the same speed.

I think that Jackson will come at too high a price. I'd prefer Kevin Dyson or Dennis Northcutt as veteran players. In the draft, I think that Shaun Taylor will be a better player for the Cards at the #3 overall spot.

 

[bigredjane]

Skorp-

Originally posted by Skkorpion
If we draft FitzGerald at #3, I'm going to be the lead critic at the news conference on draft day.

Why do you say this?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by kerouac9
What about Moulds and Reed? Both are in or entering their primes, and have only adequate speed (Moulds had a groin injury). They couldn't move the ball through the air.

You may point to the Bucs, but they passed every down. I don't think that Green wants to run a system where he's passing 60% of the time or more.

Repeat that it isn't so as often as you want, but Fitzgerald is a horrible fit for this team, and would be a horrible pick.

Since when did Reed become good? I don't ever remember him having a breakout season. He has been one of those "Potential" guys who showed occasional flashes. He has never done anything to prove he deserves to be a #1 or #2. So again you are comparing apples with oranges.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
Since when did Reed become good? I don't ever remember him having a breakout season. He has been one of those "Potential" guys who showed occasional flashes. He has never done anything to prove he deserves to be a #1 or #2. So again you are comparing apples with oranges.

So what you're saying, then, is that you're willing to make an unprecedented move in NFL history by starting two rookie wideouts, neither of which has the speed to get behind the safeties off the snap. Is that what you're saying? That's what you want to do with the #3 overall pick?

By the way, last I checked, Fitzgerald has yet to take a single snap in the NFL. Reed could, indeed, end up better than Larry. Reed probably will have run a better 40.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by kerouac9
So what you're saying, then, is that you're willing to make an unprecedented move in NFL history by starting two rookie wideouts, neither of which has the speed to get behind the safeties off the snap. Is that what you're saying? That's what you want to do with the #3 overall pick?

By the way, last I checked, Fitzgerald has yet to take a single snap in the NFL. Reed could, indeed, end up better than Larry. Reed probably will have run a better 40.

First of all Boldin is no longer a rookie. He is now a Veteran Pro Bowler!

I don't believe in playing follow the leader. To me a pair of tall, strong, very athletic and sure handed WR would create matchup problems for most teams. How many teams have a pair of corners with the strength to handle a pair of big athletic WRs? Not to mention Bryant Johnson as the 3rd WR.

I agree that Fitzgerald could very well be a bust. In fact I think that could be said about anyone who is drafted. There are no sure things. But with his potential it would be worth the risk.

 

[vikesfan]

You cannot single cover Quan. If Fitz pans out you will not be able to single cover him. That means 4 defensive players on 2 offensive players. That will open up your offense. There are plenty of speed WRs who get single covered in the NFL. Quan was not a speed guy yet he got doubled. Production is the key. Imagine if B Johnson had been as good as Quan and required 2 men to cover him - he wasn't.

That is the point when you draft #1 you want great players not just good players. Although good is better then bust. But to make a breakthrough you need to hit on great players. The difference makers.