Fitz's cap hit

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't know. We're still going to play those two NFC Championship teams twice next year.

Yes. Yes we are.

And the Cardinals can beat them. That is really all I am saying.

I would not have said that at the beginning of last year, and I will be pretty confident, mattering on the offseason, they will be able to compete and beat both teams. I am not saying sweep the division, just win in it.

Sweeping the Rams, and going .500 against Seattle and the Niners ? I don't think that is too crazy to say. At least in a speculative manner. Cause you never know in this league.

 

[Shane]

I don't know. We're still going to play those two NFC Championship teams twice next year, and is there any reason to believe that they're not going to have "good offseasons" as well?

For the 49ers, the might lose Boldin, but they're going to get Crabtree back. They'll still have Bowman and Willis. Eric Reid will have another candle on the birthday cake, and they'll have a draft class that will likely include a couple of corners, plus the injured guys they just stashed from last April. And Aldon Smith will be back for the year.

And San Francisco has $10M in salary cap space.

Seattle is only scheduled to have $5M in salary cap space, but they'll have Harvin, another year of Wilson's development, etc., etc.

Not only do you have to get better than San Francisco and Seattle, but you have to get better faster than they'll improve to catch up to them.

In the long run (three years or more), they'll get worse. Kaepernick will have to get a new deal next season, and Wilson will be due for a new contract the year after that. They'll pretty quickly have to make some decisions about their roster.

If the Cards had a plan to be spooled up and ready to win a championship in 2015, a 10-6 season in 2013 shouldn't get them off that plan.

Pretty big assumption that they will have Aldon Smith back for the year. He could likely garner a hefty suspension still.

 

[kerouac9]

Pretty big assumption that they will have Aldon Smith back for the year. He could likely garner a hefty suspension still.

A "hefty suspension"? Is that any more likely than if Daryl Washington will? To my knowledge, Smith wasn't in the substance abuse program already.

 

[Shane]

A "hefty suspension"? Is that any more likely than if Daryl Washington will? To my knowledge, Smith wasn't in the substance abuse program already.

Daryl Washington is 100% irrelevant to this convo last I checked?

And Do you need to be in the substance abuse program to be suspended when you are charged with more than one felony? Im pretty sure you don't if convicted?

 

[PDXChris]

Daryl Washington is 100% irrelevant to this convo last I checked?

And Do you need to be in the substance abuse program to be suspended when you are charged with more than one felony? Im pretty sure you don't if convicted?

We could always ask this guy.

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[Shane]

We could always ask this guy.

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[kerouac9]

Anyway you cut it, the Cardinals had a good year this year, and are lined up to contend.

I agree with the first statement. I think the second statement is speculative, particularly if (1) the Cards lose Karlos Dansby and (2) you mean contend for a championship and not "just" a playoff spot.

IMO, in a different way, the Cards are in the same position that the Bears have been in the last two years. They're good enough to be a playoff team, but probably not good enough to win a Super Bowl. Part of that is an inconsistent offense (which I expect to get better), part of that is the teams ahead of us in the division are just better than us right now.

It took overtime for us to beat the Tennessee Titans on the road. We're that team just as much as the one that eked out a road win against Seattle.

My argument is that I don't think you throw away a plan that we had confidence in four months ago because we eked out a victory in Seattle and "almost" beat the 49ers at home in the last two weeks of the season.

 

[kerouac9]

Daryl Washington is 100% irrelevant to this convo last I checked?

And Do you need to be in the substance abuse program to be suspended when you are charged with more than one felony? Im pretty sure you don't if convicted?

Then maybe you should check your premises, because don't both guys have pending legal action against them that could be suspendable sentences under the NFL's behavior policy?

If Washington is convicted, will that lead to a suspension?

 

[Shane]

Then maybe you should check your premises, because don't both guys have pending legal action against them that could be suspendable sentences under the NFL's behavior policy?

If Washington is convicted, will that lead to a suspension?

Yes he absolutely could be suspended.

But again completely irrelevant to this convo and your 100% assertion that they "will have Aldon Smith for the whole season"

Last I checked we aren't talking about Daryl Washington and there was no point in even bringing him up. Im having a condo about the hers and Aldon Smith. If you want to talk about Daryl Washington feel free to start another thread

 

[kerouac9]

Yes he absolutely could be suspended.

But again completely irrelevant to this convo and your 100% assertion that they "will have Aldon Smith for the whole season"

Last I checked we aren't talking about Daryl Washington and there was no point in even bringing him up. Im having a condo about the hers and Aldon Smith. If you want to talk about Daryl Washington feel free to start another thread

Look: you brought pending legal action into the conversation. If you don't believe that one player with pending legal action is comperable to another player with pending legal action, that's up to you--particularly if it's because you're a fan of one player and not of another.

Is it more likely that BOTH players will be eligible for the entire season? I believe so. If I didn't, I probably would've asserted that the Cards might be without Daryl for a time again in 2014. But I don't believe that to be the case.

I accept your apology.

 

[Shane]

A "hefty suspension"? Is that any more likely than if Daryl Washington will? To my knowledge, Smith wasn't in the substance abuse program already.

Look: you brought pending legal action into the conversation. If you don't believe that one player with pending legal action is comperable to another player with pending legal action, that's up to you--particularly if it's because you're a fan of one player and not of another.

Is it more likely that BOTH players will be eligible for the entire season? I believe so. If I didn't, I probably would've asserted that the Cards might be without Daryl for a time again in 2014. But I don't believe that to be the case.

I accept your apology.

If your point was about both being equal with pending legal action thus making it "relevant" what was the reason for the bolded part in the quote above? What relevance did it have?

an apology?

 

[kerouac9]

If your point was about both being equal with pending legal action thus making it "relevant" what was the reason for the bolded part in the quote above? What relevance did it have?

an apology?

Ugh. Speaking of taking threads off topic.

Because the NFL would have/will suspend Smith under the substance abuse policy if he were already in the program. You get two positives before you get a suspension if you're in the program.

Under the personal conduct policy, banky is right, although that nightclub altercation that landed Pacman in time out was not his first offense. IMO, Smith and Daryl are equally (un)likely to miss games under the personal conduct policy (as Adrian Peterson didn't face any suspension for punching a cop or whatever last spring).

 

[GuernseyCard]

With escalators now paid out we are $3.4m under the CAP.

 

[GatorAZ]

With escalators now paid out we are $3.4m under the CAP.

Draft picks will take that up.

 

[Cheesebeef]

With escalators now paid out we are $3.4m under the CAP.

does this include the 5 million unused amount of this years cap that can pushed into next year? if so, that brings us to 8.4 before any cuts/restructuring.

 

[GuernseyCard]

does this include the 5 million unused amount of this years cap that can pushed into next year? if so, that brings us to 8.4 before any cuts/restructuring.

Includes everything, according to Over the CAP, to which Urban makes reference.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Includes everything, according to Over the CAP, to which Urban makes reference.

eek. that's not good. i wonder if they did push the 5 million into next year's cap. i'd be kinda upset if they didn't after pushing Levi's bonus into it and not using the cap space that move freed up this season.

 

[GuernseyCard]

eek. that's not good. i wonder if they did push the 5 million into next year's cap. i'd be kinda upset if they didn't after pushing Levi's bonus into it and not using the cap space that move freed up this season.

Yes they did, according to Over the CAP.

 

[vinnymac]

Steve Keim said that the Cardinals would not have the salary cap the way they want it until 2015. He also said that they could also absorb Fitz cap number if they have too. So no worries here. They have a plan that they are going to stick with. So far so good.

 

[GatorAZ]

Steve Keim said that the Cardinals would not have the salary cap the way they want it until 2015. He also said that they could also absorb Fitz cap number if they have too. So no worries here. They have a plan that they are going to stick with. So far so good.

Translation = Adios número 11

Hopefully he has strong season so there's some trade-value and we don't have to cut him...

 

[GuernseyCard]

Translation = Adios número 11

Hopefully he has strong season so there's some trade-value and we don't have to cut him...

Translation = they have work to do. Period.

 

[Bodha]

Bottom line is the FO signed him to it. even if it were Graves who wrote the thing up, Bidwill had to OK it. Hes a smart guy, hes know what he was getting into. Not to mention the Cards had an entire accounting staff who told them what that contract would do.

so, theres no use complaining about it now. It was dumb. You dont sign a WR to a franchise QBs contract Not even if its Jerry Rice.


Id expect theres plenty that can be done to alleviate some of the pressure. Move some language around. some bonuses, etc. Im also sure Larry would be open to it, as long as its not a pay cut.

I guess all we can do is suck it up, and deal with it. hOpefully we get a franchise QB soon so Larry has some value again. Right now hes a very, very average WR.