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[kerouac9]

And that's reason for optimism. Peterson, Gay, Fleming, Toler, Adams, Butler and Korey Lindsey. So A.J. Jefferson is the #8 CB right now.

Yup. People like Jeff who think that A.J. Jefferson has the potential to be "something special" aren't looking very closely at what the coaching staff obviously believes. Our OLB corps has about a dozen NFL starts among them, and we invested our tight salary cap space in the secondary.

We invested 2 draft choices on players in the secondary.

A.J. Jefferson does not have a bright future with the Arizona Cardinals and likely in the NFL altogether.

 

[Duckjake]

Yup. People like Jeff who think that A.J. Jefferson has the potential to be "something special" aren't looking very closely at what the coaching staff obviously believes. Our OLB corps has about a dozen NFL starts among them, and we invested our tight salary cap space in the secondary.

We invested 2 draft choices on players in the secondary.

A.J. Jefferson does not have a bright future with the Arizona Cardinals and likely in the NFL altogether.

That our depth at LB, all 4 spots, consists of nothing but Stewart Bradley and the if and hope that the Cards bring back Clark Haggans, and the Cards went secondary that hard speaks volumes.

Maybe the coaches like Brandon Williams more than we think?

 

[kerouac9]

That our depth at LB, all 4 spots, consists of nothing but Stewart Bradley and the if and hope that the Cards bring back Clark Haggans, and the Cards went secondary that hard speaks volumes.

Maybe the coaches like Brandon Williams more than we think?

I dunno. I think that the coaches like Reggie Walker more than we think, and there just aren't a lot of teams in the NFL where if they lose 2 starting linebackers there isn't going to be a REAL problem.

I think that the Cards are still organizationally stinging from not getting anything from the picks before Schofield (and I think that internally they'd tell you that Schofield isn't coming along as well as they'd prefer). The Cards needed to get something out of Cody Brown and one of the other late-round guys, and the fact that they couldn't even get backup play from them at any point has really screwed them over.

 

[Goldfield]

Can we stop pretending that A.J. Jefferson is a legitimate NFL player yet? Do we really have to wait until he doesn't make the 53-man roster? The dude is hot garbage. If Toler comes back anything close to 90%, Jefferson isn't going to make the roster, because he can't play the slot position.

I think he has some good potential. But he was nowhere near ready to start last year.

 

[Goldfield]

I dunno. I think that the coaches like Reggie Walker more than we think, and there just aren't a lot of teams in the NFL where if they lose 2 starting linebackers there isn't going to be a REAL problem.

I think that the Cards are still organizationally stinging from not getting anything from the picks before Schofield (and I think that internally they'd tell you that Schofield isn't coming along as well as they'd prefer). The Cards needed to get something out of Cody Brown and one of the other late-round guys, and the fact that they couldn't even get backup play from them at any point has really screwed them over.

This I agree with. I am not very high on Schofield.

I don't think Jefferson is ever going to be special. But I do believe he has the ability to be a good depth guy.

 

[Duckjake]

I dunno. I think that the coaches like Reggie Walker more than we think, and there just aren't a lot of teams in the NFL where if they lose 2 starting linebackers there isn't going to be a REAL problem.

I think that the Cards are still organizationally stinging from not getting anything from the picks before Schofield (and I think that internally they'd tell you that Schofield isn't coming along as well as they'd prefer). The Cards needed to get something out of Cody Brown and one of the other late-round guys, and the fact that they couldn't even get backup play from them at any point has really screwed them over.

There's not many teams in the NFL that could lose 2 starters at CB,S,LB,DE,DT,QB,WR,TE,T,G, or Center and not be in trouble. We're in trouble if we lose one LB. Unless you think more highly of Bradley than I do. As for Walker the coaches may like him as they did Max Hall but have you ever watched a game and seen Walker do something that made him stand out?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Jefferson I believed only played one year at CB his senior year in college. Last year was his first interception I think in college or the pros. He does have some ability but time is against him when you have other players that can take his position away from him on the depth chart with more experience and quick twitch ability at the position. If cut, he could easily become a solid nickel corner on another team but a starter he is not

 

[spanky1]

And that's reason for optimism. Peterson, Gay, Fleming, Toler, Adams, Butler and Korey Lindsey. So A.J. Jefferson is the #8 CB right now.

Not sure that AJ is #8 on the depth chart. He's better than Korey Lindsey. I know that Money Mike is a fan favorite, but his real value today is purely on ST's.....and I think that Flemming takes over his role here. Adams is "on the edge of the bubble".

 

[Duckjake]

Not sure that AJ is #8 on the depth chart. He's better than Korey Lindsey. I know that Money Mike is a fan favorite, but his real value today is purely on ST's.....and I think that Flemming takes over his role here. Adams is "on the edge of the bubble".

Korey Lindsey played at Southern Illinois which automatically makes him better.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ks-the-best-in-each-franchises-history/page/2

 

[kerouac9]

There's not many teams in the NFL that could lose 2 starters at CB,S,LB,DE,DT,QB,WR,TE,T,G, or Center and not be in trouble. We're in trouble if we lose one LB. Unless you think more highly of Bradley than I do. As for Walker the coaches may like him as they did Max Hall but have you ever watched a game and seen Walker do something that made him stand out?

I don't know what you think of Stewart Bradley. For me, I think that Stewart Bradley IS an NFL player. He's not Fred Wakefield or Marcel Shipp. I don't think that he's a $25 million linebacker. He's better off the team than at that $5 million per year salary. After his salary reduction, he's probably merely overpriced instead of obscenely overpriced. But you could do much worse as a 3rd LB at two positions than Bradley.

Not sure that AJ is #8 on the depth chart. He's better than Korey Lindsey. I know that Money Mike is a fan favorite, but his real value today is purely on ST's.....and I think that Flemming takes over his role here. Adams is "on the edge of the bubble".

Jefferson can't play the slot--I think that Gay, Mike Adams, Flemming, and Toler all can. If Jefferson can't play inside--and he can't--then he's not much better than the 6th or 7th cornerback on the roster.

 

[spanky1]

I don't know what you think of Stewart Bradley. For me, I think that Stewart Bradley IS an NFL player. He's not Fred Wakefield or Marcel Shipp. I don't think that he's a $25 million linebacker. He's better off the team than at that $5 million per year salary. After his salary reduction, he's probably merely overpriced instead of obscenely overpriced. But you could do much worse as a 3rd LB at two positions than Bradley.



Jefferson can't play the slot--I think that Gay, Mike Adams, Flemming, and Toler all can. If Jefferson can't play inside--and he can't--then he's not much better than the 6th or 7th cornerback on the roster.

K9,

I agree with you regarding Bradley.....personally I think he'll have his "Arizona breakout" this season...two seasons removed from his ACL and way more familiar with the "Horton scheme".

As for AJ....I could live with him or without him....although I would give him one more year just to find out.

 

[Chopper0080]

Can we stop pretending that A.J. Jefferson is a legitimate NFL player yet? Do we really have to wait until he doesn't make the 53-man roster? The dude is hot garbage. If Toler comes back anything close to 90%, Jefferson isn't going to make the roster, because he can't play the slot position.

My point was the staff seems to put an emphasis on pllayers who have started, which is why I included AJ Jefferson.

As far as Jefferson's potential, I don't know. This team values players who I think are terrible, and passes on players who I think are solid. I'm not sure the staff is "done" with Jefferson, but it sure seems the writing is on the wall. He needs to show significant improvement or he is gone.

 

[kerouac9]

K9,

I agree with you regarding Bradley.....personally I think he'll have his "Arizona breakout" this season...two seasons removed from his ACL and way more familiar with the "Horton scheme".

As for AJ....I could live with him or without him....although I would give him one more year just to find out.

Bradley had his ACL in 2009. In 2010 it was a freak dislocated elbow that landed him on IR: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ry-what-should-the-philadelphia-eagles-do-now

Bradley is not significantly better than Paris Lenon, unfortunately. The problem is, we are paying Bradley some four times more than we paid/are paying Paris Lenon.

I'm not sure what an "Arizona breakout" season would mean. Would he go from an embarrassment for the scouting staff to a mere disappointment?

EDIT: It's really worth reading the link. It's not news, since it's from the Bleacher Report, but here's what Philly fans were feeling about Stu-Brad:

Until recently, there were talks of him being the worst MLB in the entire NFL—as he could not drop back into coverage, and he continually missed tackles.

The biggest issue was not the missed tackles, but his inability to cover tight ends. This was the Eagles biggest weakness on defense, and you can tell that teams were able to exploit it. In the majority of the games, Bradley was lined up with an athletic TE and simply blew his coverage, or just fell behind on his man.

Mmm... Maybe it wasn't a misunderstanding-the-scheme problem. That the coaching staff almost immediately decided that he should be tried at outside linebacker doesn't speak well for his abilities.

 

[52brandon]

Bradley had his ACL in 2009. In 2010 it was a freak dislocated elbow that landed him on IR: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ry-what-should-the-philadelphia-eagles-do-now

Bradley is not significantly better than Paris Lenon, unfortunately. The problem is, we are paying Bradley some four times more than we paid/are paying Paris Lenon.

I'm not sure what an "Arizona breakout" season would mean. Would he go from an embarrassment for the scouting staff to a mere disappointment?

EDIT: It's really worth reading the link. It's not news, since it's from the Bleacher Report, but here's what Philly fans were feeling about Stu-Brad:

I thought Bradley just signed a new contract for significantly less than his original as a Cardinal...

 

[kerouac9]

I thought Bradley just signed a new contract for significantly less than his original as a Cardinal...

His salary in 2012 is half of his $5 million salary last year. He took a pay cut (that could be recovered by meeting performance benchmarks). I believe his salary from 2013-2015 is unchanged.

 

[WildBB]

Donald wrote: Jefferson is not hot garbage.
+1.

There's a difference between a CB who lacks the raw talent, brains and attitude and a guy with huge athletic talent, good attitude and (I'm presuming) brains - who was thrown into a starting role before he was ready & did a decent job considering the circumstances & who, with good coaching, could turn out to be something special.

But time's running out, the future is now and this figures to be a make or break year for AJ. (I'd hate for this to turn out to be one of those deals where we develop a good CB only to have some other team reap the benefits).

+1

He'll have to fight to stick, cause you know Adams will.

 

[52brandon]

His salary in 2012 is half of his $5 million salary last year. He took a pay cut (that could be recovered by meeting performance benchmarks). I believe his salary from 2013-2015 is unchanged.

oh. Well something tells me that unless he meets those performance requirements this next year, he wont be around '13-'15. And if he performs the way he was supposed to, I have no issue with him getting paid his full $5M