Foles...Thoughts as Cards next QB?

[pmacLean]

Did kolb lead his team to get the Lombardi trophy?

not to forget, I don't think Kolb was EVER MVP of anything .. Foles LOOKED like an MVP .... forget the stats, he passed the 'watch him play' test

 

[SO91]

not to forget, I don't think Kolb was EVER MVP of anything .. Foles LOOKED like an MVP .... forget the stats, he passed the 'watch him play' test

Yep. He was accurate, had a nice deep ball, and made some throws that I wouldn't expect a backup QB to make, much less attempt. All in the biggest stage possible for a QB. If McCoy can tailor an offense to the players he has available as he says, why not consider Foles. He's only 29 too.

 

[cardncubfan]

The similarities between Foles and Warner don't stop at this sort of SB performance.While their stories are not the same, Nick comes from one hell of a family. Nick's dad had to drop out of high school and work to support himself when his parents divorced, and he eventually found his calling int he restaurant business and rose through the ranks At Shoneys (!!!) and I believe ended up with equity in one of the restaurants he worked for and used that money to start Eddie V's which he ended up selling to Darden, which made him a self-made millionaire. A lot of people mistake Nick for some "rich kid" but the truth his that his father rose from poverty to become a self-made millionaire and has kept Nick very grounded.

But the other thing is, Nick is such an even-keeled and likeable guy (he was nicknamed Sunshine at Arizona) that he often gets mistaken for being aloof. Now there are two guys I said were being overlooked and underrated coming out of college that would make good NFL QB's, and those were Kirk Cousins and Nick Foles (the situational irony is great isn't it?). Nick is a gamer. He shows up when it matters. He was joked about at Arizona as being "not a practice payer" but he regularly would calmly do great things in games. I think the egg Arizona laid against Nebraska in the Holiday Bowl really screwed his draft prospects.

Yet here we are, and twice now Nick has defied the odds and been one of the best QBs in the NFL. First, when he made the pro bowl under Chip Kelly (and never should have been moved, Chip Kelly is a moron), and now he just put together two of the best playoff games I have ever seen from a QB. This guy, like Kurt, relishes the underdog role.

Want to know something else interesting? There are two QBs who struggled mightily under Jeff Fisher only to excel once they were unchained from Coach 500. We all know about Case Keenum, but the two guys I am talking about have another connection. I am talking about Nick and Jared Goff, both of whom played under Sonny Dykes.

He's also religious like Kurt. He plans on becoming a pastor when he retires.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Eagles are heading into the next year over the cap already. Trading Foles is like $7.0+ million in cap relief. Plus, you can't have the Super Bowl MVP sitting on the bench behind a young, developing franchise QB. That'd really be a nightmare, especially in that town. I think Foles gets traded and I think the Cardinals may be the lead team vying for his services. His contract size is terrific and it buys them time to see if he is the guy or if they want to develop someone behind him.

I almost wonder if he wasn't the top guy on Keim's radar going into the off season and his performance last night just made our GM's job that much harder.

But with a dead cap hit of 5 mil it is only a two million dollar savings. Is 2 mil worth giving up a good back up QB? I guess the compensation would have to make them consider the worth of the trade.

 

[Harry]

The link provided looks pretty sketchy---more like some fan forum report or write-up than an actual vetted news report.

Author Laura Amato is listed as a contributor to the 'Heavy' website.

https://heavy.com/author/lauraamato07/

Still looks like a 2 yr. deal for $11 million.

I can't make any sense out of the 5year /27.5 mil contract requirements---"the final three years of Foles' deal void if he's on the Eagles' roster 23 days before the start of the 2019 league year, i.e. mid-February." So, if he is off the roster before then, the deal is still valid?

C’mon people, she quotes Kevin Skiver of CBS Sports in the article. Here’s his original article.


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-agent-if-hes-on-the-eagles-in-february-2019/

You might just have taken my statement as reasonably likely to be accurate!

 

[WisconsinCard]

C’mon people, she quotes Kevin Skiver of CBS Sports in the article. Here’s his original article.


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-agent-if-hes-on-the-eagles-in-february-2019/

You might just have taken my statement as reasonably likely to be accurate!

Harry speaks the truth.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/nick-foles-9898/




Year Age Base Salary Signing Roster Cap Hit Dead Cap Yearly Cash
2017

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28 $1,000,000 $600,000 - $1,600,000 $7,000,000 $4,000,000($4,000,000)
Pre-6/1 Release2017 Dead Cap: $7,000,0002017 Cap Savings: $-5,400,000 Pre-6/1 Trade2017 Dead Cap: $6,000,0002017 Cap Savings: $-4,400,000 Post-6/1 Release2017 Dead Cap: $1,600,0002018 Dead Cap: $5,400,0002017 Cap Savings: $0 Post-6/1 Trade2017 Dead Cap: $600,0002018 Dead Cap: $5,400,0002017 Cap Savings: $1,000,000
2018

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29 $4,000,000 $600,000 $3,000,000 $7,600,000 $5,400,000 $7,000,000($11,000,000)
Pre-6/1 Release2018 Dead Cap: $5,400,0002018 Cap Savings: $2,200,000 Pre-6/1 Trade2018 Dead Cap: $5,400,0002018 Cap Savings: $2,200,000 Post-6/1 Release2018 Dead Cap: $3,600,0002019 Dead Cap: $1,800,0002018 Cap Savings: $4,000,000 Post-6/1 Trade2018 Dead Cap: $3,600,0002019 Dead Cap: $1,800,0002018 Cap Savings: $4,000,000

Potential Out: 2019, 2 yr, $11,000,000; $1,800,000 dead cap
2019

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30 $5,500,000 $600,000 - $6,100,000 $1,800,000 $5,500,000($16,500,000)
Pre-6/1 Release2019 Dead Cap: $1,800,0002019 Cap Savings: $4,300,000 Pre-6/1 Trade2019 Dead Cap: $1,800,0002019 Cap Savings: $4,300,000 Post-6/1 Release2019 Dead Cap: $600,0002020 Dead Cap: $1,200,0002019 Cap Savings: $5,500,000 Post-6/1 Trade2019 Dead Cap: $600,0002020 Dead Cap: $1,200,0002019 Cap Savings: $5,500,000
2020

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31 $5,500,000 $600,000 - $6,100,000 $1,200,000 $5,500,000($22,000,000)
Pre-6/1 Release2020 Dead Cap: $1,200,0002020 Cap Savings: $4,900,000 Pre-6/1 Trade2020 Dead Cap: $1,200,0002020 Cap Savings: $4,900,000 Post-6/1 Release2020 Dead Cap: $600,0002021 Dead Cap: $600,0002020 Cap Savings: $5,500,000 Post-6/1 Trade2020 Dead Cap: $600,0002021 Dead Cap: $600,0002020 Cap Savings: $5,500,000
2021

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32 $5,500,000 $600,000 - $6,100,000 $600,000 $5,500,000($27,500,000)
Pre-6/1 Release2021 Dead Cap: $600,0002021 Cap Savings: $5,500,000 Pre-6/1 Trade2021 Dead Cap: $600,0002021 Cap Savings: $5,500,000 Post-6/1 Release2021 Dead Cap: $600,0002022 Dead Cap: $02021 Cap Savings: $5,500,000 Post-6/1 Trade2021 Dead Cap: $600,0002022 Dead Cap: $02021 Cap Savings: $5,500,000
2019

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33 UFA

 

[WisconsinCard]

Sorry it didn't paste very well, but I added the link so you can see it for yourself. The contract was based on two years, but so the bonus could be spread out over 5 it is written in a strange way for cap purposes. I would guess Philly never thought it would be more than a two year deal, as he would want to go and try to start somewhere or retire by then.

 

[crisper57]

But with a dead cap hit of 5 mil it is only a two million dollar savings. Is 2 mil worth giving up a good back up QB? I guess the compensation would have to make them consider the worth of the trade.

I am not a capologist, so I could easily be wrong, but doesn’t dead money only hit the cap if he is cut? If he is traded, doesn’t the new team assume the dead money hit to their cap?

I honestly don’t know, but I assumed a new team would save the Eagles the full $7 m.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I am not a capologist, so I could easily be wrong, but doesn’t dead money only hit the cap if he is cut? If he is traded, doesn’t the new team assume the dead money hit to their cap?

I honestly don’t know, but I assumed a new team would save the Eagles the full $7 m.

No the team that signed him to that deal is one the hook for the cap hit. The dead cap hit is basically for the money they already paid him spread out over the life of the contract.

 

[crisper57]

No the team that signed him to that deal is one the hook for the cap hit. The dead cap hit is basically for the money they already paid him spread out over the life of the contract.

Thank you.