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For Cards, another missed opportunity


John Gambadoro
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Jan. 23, 2006 12:00 AM



The Arizona Cardinals have made more than their fair share of mistakes over the years. From draft busts to free-agent busts to failing to develop their players, the Cardinals have seen and done it all.

But even when the Cardinals believe they got it right, they got it wrong. In 2004 the Cardinals selected Larry Fitzgerald with the third overall pick in the NFL draft. A very good draft choice, one that has worked out when compared with first-round busts like Tom Knight, Wendell Bryant, Calvin Pace, Leonard Davis, Bryant Johnson, Thomas Jones and others. But while Fitzgerald has proven to be one of the best young receivers in the league, the Cardinals would have been much better had they taken Miami of Ohio quarterback Ben Roethlisberger with the third overall pick.

Arizona already had a talented wideout in Anquan Boldin when they selected Fitzgerald. What they didn't have was a quarterback. That year the Cardinals rolled out Josh McCown as the starter with Shaun King as the backup. The Cardinals did use a draft pick on a quarterback in the 2004 draft, but it came in the seventh round on Michigan's John Navarre.

Roethlisberger should have been the clear choice for Denny Green, who was in his first year with the team and going through his first draft. Roethlisberger would have given Green the quarterback with which to build around and given Arizona its first true franchise signal caller.

The numbers for Roethlisberger in college were gaudy. He threw for 10,829 yards with 84 touchdown passes and just 34 interceptions, shattering almost every school record. He had prototypical size at 6feet 4, 242 pounds and a strong arm. That Eli Manning went ahead of Roethlisberger in the draft is understandable. That Phillip Rivers did is unconscionable.

The Chargers selected Manning first overall and promptly traded him to the New York Giants for Phillip Rivers, whom the Giants selected fourth. Roethlisberger somehow fell to 11th overall, where the Steelers grabbed him and anointed him their quarterback of the present and future. Like Arizona, Pittsburgh had questions at quarterback with Tommy Maddox and Charlie Batch in the system. But unlike Arizona, Pittsburgh realized the importance of drafting a franchise quarterback and didn't hesitate to spend the pick on Big Ben.

In his first season in the NFL, Roethlisberger started 13 regular-season games and didn't lose one, throwing for 2,621 yards with 17 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He was voted the Associated Press Offensive Rookie of the Year and the Sporting News Rookie of the Year. Roethlisberger also bucked tradition by playing so much in his first season, a time when most rookie quarterbacks are supposed to watch and learn but rarely play.

The Steelers' system was a perfect fit for Roethlisberger with a good running game and strong offensive line. But Big Ben proved that he was the real deal. He came back this year to guide the Steelers to the Super Bowl. He is 26-4 as a starter. In his three playoff games this season, Roethlisberger has been outstanding with seven touchdown passes to just one interception. And he did all of that on the road.

Against the Cincinnatti Bengals in the opening round of the playoffs, Roethlisberger threw for 208 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions. The next week at Indianapolis he passed for 197 yards with two scores and one pick. And in Denver on Sunday he was a remarkable 21 for 29 for 275 yards with two touchdown passes and no interceptions.

Roethlisberger is the best quarterback the Steelers have had since Terry Bradshaw led the team to four Super Bowls in the '70s. He has pinpoint accuracy, is tough as nails and intelligent. And to think he is just in his second year. Tom Brady may get more attention and Peyton Manning may have better stats, but Roethlisberger is every bit as good a quarterback as those two and has to be considered among the top five signal callers in the league right now.

Had the Cardinals done the right thing and snatched Roethlisberger with the third pick in the 2004 draft, the Steelers most likely wouldn't be getting ready for the Seattle Seahawks right now. Arizona certainly wouldn't be coming off of seasons of 6-10 and 5-11, and there most certainly would be tremendous hope for the future by having one of the best quarterbacks in the league.

And while Roethlisberger clearly wouldn't have been as successful in Arizona's system as he has been in Pittsburgh's, his talent still would have wowed the fans and the organization and he would be the one player the Cardinals were building a team around.

While building a team is not easy the one thing that can be said is that you can't pass on franchise quarterbacks in the draft. They don't come around that often. And Arizona clearly missed in 2004. Maybe this year they will get it right and draft Jay Cutler with the 10th pick in the draft.
 

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Cardsmasochist said:
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For Cards, another missed opportunity


John Gambadoro
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Jan. 23, 2006 12:00 AM


But even when the Cardinals believe they got it right, they got it wrong. In 2004 the Cardinals selected Larry Fitzgerald with the third overall pick in the NFL draft. A very good draft choice, one that has worked out when compared with first-round busts like Tom Knight, Wendell Bryant, Calvin Pace, Leonard Davis, Bryant Johnson, Thomas Jones and others. But while Fitzgerald has proven to be one of the best young receivers in the league, the Cardinals would have been much better had they taken Miami of Ohio quarterback Ben Roethlisberger with the third overall pick.

Maybe this year they will get it right and draft Jay Cutler with the 10th pick in the draft.
:rolleyes: Whatever Gambo... Roethlisburger would not be anywhere near the QB here as he is in Pitt... Our O-line would have gotten him killed in his 1st year alone... He is gonna be great, but this is coming from a guy who--when I emailed him years ago (before I knew he was a douche) suggesting the Cards should take Shockey in the draft--told me that we didn't need to because we were getting our AllStar TE Freddy Jones.:rolleyes:

Cutler? If we draft Cutler, I will eat my hat then instanlty puke!
 

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And I'm willing to bet Gambo would've been the first to pile on the Cardinals for taking an unproven, small-school QB over the sure thing in Heisman runner-up Larry Fitzgerald. Hindsight is always 20/20. For a franchise littered with first round draft busts and only a year removed from the Pace/Johnson fiasco, taking Fitzgerald was the safest choice and probably ther best bet at the time. They couldn't afford another letdown.
 
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LoyaltyisaCurse said:
Cutler? If we draft Cutler, I will eat my hat then instanlty puke!
Why bother eating your hat, then? ;)

Everyone wants the "quick fix" in the draft. When you take a QB in the first, it's not a quick fix, but it is a more tried and true method for getting a "franchise" QB then trying to find them on the second day.
 

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Please no Cutler Gambo is way off on this one and football is not his best sport but most of the time he knows wha he is talking about.

I do to think we need to get a QB but not Jay cutler.
 

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Even I don't think BEn is as good as Brady and Manning yet.

Better than Eli yes, as good as Peyton, not yet.
 

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Your probobly looking at two perenial pro bowlers and likely two HOF candidates if their carrers continue like they have. A no lose senario. Picking either one they couldn't go wrong.

The one thing Gambo does make sense on is that. yea they had a #1 guy already (Boldin) and a QOF would have been the better call. Can't say he's all that wrong. But Fitz is great in his own right. We'll need to address that issue again (QOF) this year ONCE AGAIN - as Navarre and Rohan need some more and better competition.
 

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CardsFan222 said:
Please no Cutler Gambo is way off on this one and football is not his best sport but most of the time he knows wha he is talking about.

I do to think we need to get a QB but not Jay cutler.

Then who?? If I look at the depth chart on opening day, and see Navarre as #2, then I will be joining LIAC in the eating of the hat and instantly puking.
 

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I am still ticked off that we took Jabari Issa in the 6th round of the 2000 draft instead of Tom Brady. Why doesn't Gambo write about this travesty?

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CardsFan222 said:
Please no Cutler Gambo is way off on this one and football is not his best sport but most of the time he knows wha he is talking about.

I do to think we need to get a QB but not Jay cutler.
I'd like to buy a comma, please. ;)
 

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I think Cutler will be taken too early in this draft.
 

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I am still ticked off that we took Jabari Issa in the 6th round of the 2000 draft instead of Tom Brady. Why doesn't Gambo write about this travesty?

The Shark


:thumbup:

Ha ha...good point!
 

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All I have to say is that hindsight is always 20/20.

Forget this article, I'm glad with our selection. Fitz = truth.
 

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Preach Faux Pas said:
All I have to say is that hindsight is always 20/20.

Forget this article, I'm glad with our selection. Fitz = truth.

Totally agree. I find it very hard to believe that Roth would of been as good here as he is in PIT. The same people who are wetting their pants over him at the moment would proburbly be calling him out as a bust if he where a Cardinal.

Fitz is awesome. And is in some elite company right now. Not many have put up the numbers he has at his age. And if he continues to progress and play like he is he will proburbly be looking at the HOF at the end of his career.
 

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Totally agree. I find it very hard to believe that Roth would of been as good here as he is in PIT. The same people who are wetting their pants over him at the moment would proburbly be calling him out as a bust if he where a Cardinal.

Fitz is awesome. And is in some elite company right now. Not many have put up the numbers he has at his age. And if he continues to progress and play like he is he will proburbly be looking at the HOF at the end of his career.


Isn't the question really would he have been better than Josh McCown and John Navarre thus not forcing us to sign Kurt Warner?

I agree Fitz has HOF written all over him, I'm not nearly as annoyed as I was when Green picked him, in fact I often find myself thinking sure it would be great to have Ben, but no way BJ or anybody else we have on the roster would come close to what Fitz has.

I'd have taken Ben then, but once Green said we weren't taking a QB I was for Sean Taylor or Roy Williams and right now I'd take Fitz over either of them. Taylor is a headcase and Roy gets hurt too much.
 

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Fitz was the surest thing in that draft. Two years later, it's hard to argue that still. In fact, I think Fitz looks like a better WR than Ben R as a QB (although he's done very, very well in Pittsburgh.)


A lot of people were wanting us to take a QB, but Ben R. was a solid third place behind Rivers and Manning. And, I'm talking media. I'd bet someone else's house that Gambo never said Ben R. was the best QB in and we should take him. People knew he was talented, but they questioned his level of competition. In fact, had Pittsburgh not taken him at 11 (or 12?) he could've dropped into the 20's.
 

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Russ Smith said:
Isn't the question really would he have been better than Josh McCown and John Navarre thus not forcing us to sign Kurt Warner?

I agree Fitz has HOF written all over him, I'm not nearly as annoyed as I was when Green picked him, in fact I often find myself thinking sure it would be great to have Ben, but no way BJ or anybody else we have on the roster would come close to what Fitz has.

I'd have taken Ben then, but once Green said we weren't taking a QB I was for Sean Taylor or Roy Williams and right now I'd take Fitz over either of them. Taylor is a headcase and Roy gets hurt too much.

From reading the article, the theme I got was 'we should of picked Ben Roth'. It's revionist history. And hindsight at it's best.

I just don't see how he could of had the same sucess here that he has had in PIT. Not only is the offensive philosphy completly different here, but PIT's surronding talent is superior to ours.

Who knows how Roth would of reacted to passing the ball 30 to 40 times a game? He has never had to throw it that much in PIT. And his YPC sure as heck wouldn't be as high because we don't have a credible run game for play-action. It just seems like a very shallow analysis to me. Roth only throwing to Boldin with no run game and a very shaky OL has disaster written all over it. And that is a fast track for Roth to be called a bust in AZ.

With Fitzgerald and Boldin at WR - I am actually more comftable with drafting a QB high. Because I know Fitz and Q will be able to bail him out when he makes a stupid throw or makes the bad read that all the young QB's do make. With these two in place, the QB can be put in much better postion to suceed rather than having to put it all on his shoulders and try and win the game. And we all know how that turns out *cough*Jake*cough*.
 

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Big Ben was the guy that I wanted. In my mock draft I had us taking him. Still, Fitzgerald has turned out to be a great player for us. At least we came away with a solid pick instead of a bust.
 

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You cant fault the Fitzgerald pick. At the time, he seemed like more of a sure thing, and has proved that his second year. Roethlisberger did not come from a big time college program and so the competition was questioned. But just about any other year, I would agree. I think about picks like Tom Knight, (shudder). Without a line, Peyton Manning would have problems playing here. I dont care who is at QB, with the worst running attack/Oline combination in the league, it would be difficult to even make it to .500.
 
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I saw Fitzgerald at the Suns v. Lakers game last Friday. It was one of those moments that you think back and wish you would have said something more intelligent. All I could do was yell "Larry!!" and when he stopped and looked at me I waved at him like an idiot. I should have shook his hand and congratulated him on making the pro bowl or told him I have been a Cardinal supporter and season ticket holder for years and that we are happy to have him on the team.

But instead all I did was shout his name and wave to him. I'm a doofus.
 

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Cardsmasochist said:
I saw Fitzgerald at the Suns v. Lakers game last Friday. It was one of those moments that you think back and wish you would have said something more intelligent. All I could do was yell "Larry!!" and when he stopped and looked at me I waved at him like an idiot. I should have shook his hand and congratulated him on making the pro bowl or told him I have been a Cardinal supporter and season ticket holder for years and that we are happy to have him on the team.

But instead all I did was shout his name and wave to him. I'm a doofus.
Did you think about killing yourself? CardsMasochist?
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The Steelers' system was a perfect fit for Roethlisberger with a good running game and strong offensive line.

Gambo himself identifies two keys to BR's success -- two things that we have not had...
 

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