For K-9 - re: BOLDIN

[Shane]

I've been on here when Anquan's had great games and given him credit for it. It's just been so long since he's had one of those "incredible game of his" that you probably don't remember.

On the other hand, I'm not claiming that Fitz is one of the Top 5 WRs in the NFL, and so I don't really feel the need to come on and apologize for him. That being said, it sure didn't look like it was #11 giving up on a slant route that resulted in an INT to begin the game.

I happen to think that big players come up big in big games. Where was the best WR in the NFL today when this team needed him to be big?

I'm sure the excuses will pour out like they always do for when Superman just can't get it done, but I want you to remember that I wasn't the one who started this thread.

NO but you have started your share whether it be within a thread you started or not it doesnt really matter. I dont recall anyone on here including me calling Boldin the "best WR in the NFL" good luck finding that quote.

When did you come on here saying how well you thought he did in week 3, 6, or 11?

Boldin is what he is a top 10 talent WR playing on a terrible team. he ha smore then stepped up in games. Does it result in wins? mostly not. But then again this is the Cardinals.

 

[Shane]

He also had three drops by my count.

two and one of them 95% or WR's would have dropped it. Hit the CB at the last secong changing the trajectory right before it hit his hands. Funny a BIG supporter who doesnt think Boldin is worth his salary.

 

[BigDavis75]

two and one of them 95% or WR's would have dropped it. Hit the CB at the last secong changing the trajectory right before it hit his hands. Funny a BIG supporter who doesnt think Boldin is worth his salary.

Three drops, two that went through/by the CBs hands and one on the sideline near the end of the game.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Three drops, two that went through/by the CBs hands and one on the sideline near the end of the game.

Still better than Hines Ward though. Hands down.

 

[kerouac9]

NO but you have started your share whether it be within a thread you started or not it doesnt really matter. I dont recall anyone on here including me calling Boldin the "best WR in the NFL" good luck finding that quote.

Big Red Ark said it twice in the past week.

Shane, if you really believe that Anquan Boldin is a top 10 WR talent playing for a bad team, why do you continue to argue with me? If you think that what you believe is true, why is your only evidence a context-free career reception mark? Is believing that Anquan's a top 10 WR like believing in intelligent design? A lot of evidence says that your wrong, but you can latch on to a couple things and hang on to it for dear life?

Has really nothing I've said the past two seasons or nothing you've seen on the field this one caused you any doubt at all? Do you really think that Anquan's going to be "robbed" when he doesn't get invited to Honolulu?

 

[kerouac9]

That's a ridiculous assertion. Boldin was open but Leinart threw a bad pass.
The only way that throw is a completion is if the WR is Justin Gatlin.

Watch it again. Boldin stopped running the route two steps before the ball got there. Maybe he wouldn't have been able to catch the ball, but he definitely should have been able to break up the pass. Maybe it was a bad read on Anquan or Matt's part, but he's definitely peeling off the slant when Bailey cuts in front of him to get the INT.

 

[PJ1]

Watch it again. Boldin stopped running the route two steps before the ball got there. Maybe he wouldn't have been able to catch the ball, but he definitely should have been able to break up the pass. Maybe it was a bad read on Anquan or Matt's part, but he's definitely peeling off the slant when Bailey cuts in front of him to get the INT.

I don't agree with your take on Boldin at all but he did quit on that play. Don't know why but he stopped. The ball should not have been picked off as you cannot stop running on a slant even if the corner jumps it.

 

[Duckjake]

Watched it again and still don't see Boldin quit on the route.

Boldin was chucked by Bailey slowing the route and as the TV announcer said "Leinart threw it right at him(Bailey)".

Once the ball is in the air Boldin sees he has no chance at it and turns to get into position to make a tackle. Boldin's played almost 4 years in the NFL so I would think he would be a better judge than you or me as to whether he could get to a ball.

The Cards offense is hampered by a severe lack of quickness. Our receivers are really slow-by NFL standards - which forces the offense to rely on short routes or jump balls to Fitz.

 

[Mulli]

Those watching at my house (two of us) thought Boldin let Bailey knock him off the route. I dunno.

 

[kerouac9]

Watched it again and still don't see Boldin quit on the route.

Boldin was chucked by Bailey slowing the route and as the TV announcer said "Leinart threw it right at him(Bailey)".

Once the ball is in the air Boldin sees he has no chance at it and turns to get into position to make a tackle. Boldin's played almost 4 years in the NFL so I would think he would be a better judge than you or me as to whether he could get to a ball.

The Cards offense is hampered by a severe lack of quickness. Our receivers are really slow-by NFL standards - which forces the offense to rely on short routes or jump balls to Fitz.

If this isn't "quitting on the route" then what is, exactly? He stops running before the ball gets there. At what point does he decide that trying to break up the pass would be a bad idea?

Man, I guess some people are blind. He didn't give up on the Ty Law INT either, right? Right?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Sorry, but another person that thought Boldin quit on that route for some reason. All it would have taken is one more step, and an outstretched arm to at least put a hand on the ball. He already showed that he can make one handed grabs.

Definitely not a good start for Boldin.

 

[Duckjake]

If this isn't "quitting on the route" then what is, exactly? He stops running before the ball gets there. At what point does he decide that trying to break up the pass would be a bad idea?

Man, I guess some people are blind. He didn't give up on the Ty Law INT either, right? Right?

Yes some people are blind all right. That pass was so far out in front of Boldin and thrown with such velocity that he couldn't have reached it unless he were Mr. Fantastic with rubber arms.

I think that Boldin knows far better whether he can stop a potential interception than you do.

Your assertion that Boldin "quit" on the route has as much validity as someone saying Leinart purposely threw the ball to Bailey, because you just don't know whether he quit on it or not.

 

[kerouac9]

Yes some people are blind all right. That pass was so far out in front of Boldin and thrown with such velocity that he couldn't have reached it unless he were Mr. Fantastic with rubber arms.

I think that Boldin knows far better whether he can stop a potential interception than you do.

Your assertion that Boldin "quit" on the route has as much validity as someone saying Leinart purposely threw the ball to Bailey, because you just don't know whether he quit on it or not.

All right, DJ. With such awesome powers of future-telling, it's surprising that Boldin even showed up to the game, since he must have known they were going to lose.

Oh, wait. From what I saw on the field, it barely looks like he showed up, anyway. Maybe you're right.

EDIT: Boldin certainly looked like he was going all-out when he casually one-handed that ball on the sideline and didn't even try to take it upfield in the third quarter, either. It was a good grab, but shouldn't he have put two hands on it if he's the try-hard guy that y'all assert? Shouldn't he have tried to stay in bounds?

 

[Shane]

All right, DJ. With such awesome powers of future-telling, it's surprising that Boldin even showed up to the game, since he must have known they were going to lose.

Oh, wait. From what I saw on the field, it barely looks like he showed up, anyway. Maybe you're right.

EDIT: Boldin certainly looked like he was going all-out when he casually one-handed that ball on the sideline and didn't even try to take it upfield in the third quarter, either. It was a good grab, but shouldn't he have put two hands on it if he's the try-hard guy that y'all assert? Shouldn't he have tried to stay in bounds?

NOw your bias is just showing through. That was an incredible catch. One that he had no chance of turning up field due to his momentum. But no shock from you.

 

[kerouac9]

NOw your bias is just showing through. That was an incredible catch. One that he had no chance of turning up field due to his momentum. But no shock from you.

Well, the three people at my table and a good portion of the bar at Zips seemed to disagree with you at the time, Shane. It was a great catch, I'm just not sure if it was necessary. My father, who doesn't happen to share my opinion on the overratedness of Anquan Boldin by many fans, was the first one to mention that he certainly seemed to be showboating.

 

[BigRedRage]

Big Red Ark said it twice in the past week.

Shane, if you really believe that Anquan Boldin is a top 10 WR talent playing for a bad team, why do you continue to argue with me? If you think that what you believe is true, why is your only evidence a context-free career reception mark? Is believing that Anquan's a top 10 WR like believing in intelligent design? A lot of evidence says that your wrong, but you can latch on to a couple things and hang on to it for dear life?

Has really nothing I've said the past two seasons or nothing you've seen on the field this one caused you any doubt at all? Do you really think that Anquan's going to be "robbed" when he doesn't get invited to Honolulu?

actually that was big red rage and i will continue to do so because hes my favorite player, the problem here is you are using my one line homer comments and throwing them into a huge statistical arguement. I dont care who you like ro think is better, boldin is the best in the nfl in my book. keep your hands off of my book.

 

[BigRedRage]

All right, DJ. With such awesome powers of future-telling, it's surprising that Boldin even showed up to the game, since he must have known they were going to lose.

Oh, wait. From what I saw on the field, it barely looks like he showed up, anyway. Maybe you're right.

EDIT: Boldin certainly looked like he was going all-out when he casually one-handed that ball on the sideline and didn't even try to take it upfield in the third quarter, either. It was a good grab, but shouldn't he have put two hands on it if he's the try-hard guy that y'all assert? Shouldn't he have tried to stay in bounds?

from where i watched not on tv but in person it looked as if he was full speed at the sideline, so he caught it and kept going. You act like boldin is the only guy who has done that, I see players constantly drop out of bounds when they could get more yards, hell griffith coulda run further on the INT and edge seems to fall down even when he isnt hit sometimes. You watch boldin play specifically to find anything you can to bash on him, find somthing better to do.

 

[daves]

my take on the INT

Watch it again. Boldin stopped running the route two steps before the ball got there. Maybe he wouldn't have been able to catch the ball, but he definitely should have been able to break up the pass. Maybe it was a bad read on Anquan or Matt's part, but he's definitely peeling off the slant when Bailey cuts in front of him to get the INT.

I don't agree with your take on Boldin at all but he did quit on that play. Don't know why but he stopped. The ball should not have been picked off as you cannot stop running on a slant even if the corner jumps it.

I replayed it several times, and it looked to me as though Bailey bumped Boldin a couple steps before the ball arrived (probably still within 5 yards of the LOS), knocking himself toward the ball's trajectory and Boldin away from it. I didn't think Boldin deliberately slowed down or gave up on the ball at all. It didn't look as though Boldin had any chance to recover forward momentum and get in front of Bailey before the ball got there.

...dave

 

[kerouac9]

I replayed it several times, and it looked to me as though Bailey bumped Boldin a couple steps before the ball arrived (probably still within 5 yards of the LOS), knocking himself toward the ball's trajectory and Boldin away from it. I didn't think Boldin deliberately slowed down or gave up on the ball at all. It didn't look as though Boldin had any chance to recover forward momentum and get in front of Bailey before the ball got there.

...dave

Doesn't that make it even worse, since Boldin has 30 pounds on Champ? I thought that Anquan was the most physical receiver in the game...

 

[Mulli]

Doesn't that make it even worse, since Boldin has 30 pounds on Champ? I thought that Anquan was the most physical receiver in the game...

It does.

 

[BigRedRage]

heaven forbid he is not superman on one play, we should cut him.

 

[daves]

Doesn't that make it even worse, since Boldin has 30 pounds on Champ? I thought that Anquan was the most physical receiver in the game...

I'm not arguing whether anything's better or worse - i'm just saying that it in no way appeared to me that Boldin gave up - rather, it appeared that Bailey made a great play anticipating the route and bumping Boldin in a way that prevented Boldin from getting to the ball, while helping Bailey get to it.

When two partially inelastic objects collide, they each change momentum; in Boldin's case, away from the ball, and in Bailey's case, toward it. The fact that Boldin weighs 16% more than Bailey does not enable him to run through the DB as if he weren't there. In fact, it helped accelerate Bailey into the path of the ball.

...dave

 

[Russ Smith]

When two partially inelastic objects collide, they each change momentum; in Boldin's case, away from the ball, and in Bailey's case, toward it. The fact that Boldin weighs 16% more than Bailey does not enable him to run through the DB as if he weren't there. In fact, it helped accelerate Bailey into the path of the ball.

...dave

That would be true if Boldin WAS inelastic, but that's yet another of his special talents.

 

[BigRedRage]

Besides, Bailey is the best there is, wouldnt you expect a non-superstar day?

 

[kerouac9]

Besides, Bailey is the best there is, wouldnt you expect a non-superstar day?

Don't superstars peform at their best when matched up with the best? Isn't that the thing about a superstar?

In this case, Boldin has come up virtually empty every time he's been matched up with a big-time corner.

@ SEA & Trufant: 6 rec, 62 yds, 0 TDs
@ ATL & DeAngelo Hall: 4 rec, 42 yds, 0 TDs
v. DAL & Newman: 2 rec, 53 yds, 0 TDs
v. SEA & Trufant again: 4 rec, 47 yds, 0 TDs
v. DEN & Bailey: 5 rec, 60 yds, 0 TDs

But, you know, it was nice when he torched Fakir Brown and the Rams for 10 & 129. It'd just be nice if he could help out his team when they played a good defense, or something. I mean, being that he's a Top 10 WR and everything. I mean, it's not like Terrell Owens torched Pro Bowl corner Cris Gamble for 9 and 107, or Ronde Barber for 8 and 107 and a touch, or anything. Sometimes, big time players come up small against the best competition.

Can't wait for the excuses, DJ, Shane, etc....